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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:19 am

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Anon wrote:
Prob scum

Longing

diginova

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I was going to push a diginova wagon (iso looks terrible with few strong positions and some InformationInsteadOfAnalysis but the "bah go town? or bah go scum?" (post 245) gives me some kind of pause.
Any specifics as to what specifically you got out of my ISO that has me on your probscum list other than the fact that I am overall a cautious player and didn't like an RVS wagon?

In addition, after reading your ISO, it seems you're saying that people are town based on people that agree with you and, specifically recently, have very little reasoning and just follow the popular votes, possibly to try to blend in with the town.

In ISO2, you reply "Good posting" to RC for
Your logic seems practiced and valuable.

Also, I like that I'm on your probtown list.

Sir, you have my vote.
How is this a post that is worthy of recognition, other than the fact that he's agreeing with your logic and following your vote? It seems you're trying a little too hard to push your viewpoint and get others to agree with you.

In ISO3, you update your town/scum list, saying that Gandalf's reaction reeks without giving any examples why. What do you believe that putting the same town/scum list with a few additions in a majority of your posts contributes to the game? Do you think people would have forgotten your previous list, or are you just trying to drive home the people that you think are town?

In ISO4-7, you keep specifying that you want TheLonging dead, going as far as putting "I want Longingscum dead under a grave" as your only content in ISO6. Yet in ISO8, in your continued update of your scumlist after not posting at all for over a week, you remove TheLonging from your list *without any explanation* and state that RC is losing town points for not doing anything, after you yourself were absent. The part that to me is very scummy is you adding Tasky to your list *without any explanation*, going so far as to change your vote to him and saying that "Tasky is the next good wagon."

Speaking of IIoA, why are you giving no reasons any more for changes to your list? You seem to just be following the majority, jumping off the Longing wagon when it became unpopular and onto the other most popular wagon. You haven't given any useful information or analysis since July 1, and you just seem to be active lurking yet making it seem like you're giving new information due to your constantly changing scum list.

I still don't like RC for the reasons I laid out in 283, and my vote on him will continue until he posts useful information, but I will go and
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:32 am

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EBWOP: Since my main question seemed to get muddied by the rest of my post, I'm restating it here:

Anon: What caused the changes in your scumlist between Day 1 and Day 2? What in Day 2 either confirmed or changed your reads from your list in ISO3?
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:41 am

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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:51 am

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ReaperCharlie wrote:Pro-tip: Another reason why succinctness is pro-town: because then your main point doesn't get lost or muddied up by the rest of your wall-o-text.
I thought I was relatively succinct for an ISO where I was laying out examples, but I just put it in the middle of a paragraph for some reason instead of separated out where it was visible.

And RC, PLEASE post some in-game content shortly. Read the thread and give your thoughts instead of continuing to lurk. You signed up for this game, now play it and help the town scumhunt or kindly replace out.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:59 am

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Yep... I will be posting a readthrough analysis today.
And not because everyone asked, either. Just... because it's time.

It's funny that so many people are asking me to though.
Why does my opinion matter any more than anyone else's?
Other people are slacking off too...
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:00 am

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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:03 am

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ReaperCharlie wrote:Yep... I will be posting a readthrough analysis today.
And not because everyone asked, either. Just... because it's time.

It's funny that so many people are asking me to though.
Why does my opinion matter any more than anyone else's?
Other people are slacking off too...
Because you specifically posted that you didn't even *read* the thread, stated that you normally *don't* start reading until people start wagoning you, and random voted on page 12 for no apparent reason. Others are lurking, but they aren't posting that they're actively avoiding even reading the thread as a whole.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:57 am

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Meh.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 am

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You know what they say: "To save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs."

..] Vote Count [..


Zang (0)

AlphaWerewolf (0)

ReaperCharlie (5)
- CallMeLiam, Tasky, diginova, Empking, AlphaWerewolf
curiouskarmadog (0)

Seraphim (0)

SharkFinn (1)
- Karma
KageLord (0)

CallMeLiam (0)

Anon (0)

Karma (0)

Tasky (4)
- curiouskarmadog, Seraphim, ReaperCharlie, Anon
diginova (0)

Empking (0)

I doubt it (0)


Not voting (4)
- Zang, SharkFinn, KageLord, I doubt it

With 14 alive, its 8 to lynch!



I'm replacing AlphaWerewolf. I'll PM Seraphim and Tasky to see if they can post every 72 hours during their V\LA for sure - if not it looks like I'll have to replace them too as the V\LA is too long
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:20 am

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What the h311? I have 5 votes on me already? ugh! Ok fine, you asked for it. My readthrough and analysis is coming before 5pm PST (I dont get out of work until 3, and since I'm not caught up ITT it will take a couple hours). So... about 8 hrs from now. Sry for the delay.

Please no more votes on me until then. Whoever votes for me before then is probscum.

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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:38 am

Post by CallMeLiam »

Alpha Werewolf wrote:On ReaperCharlie: The case looks good, and I've seen similar play by Fate(as scum) in Square Enix II. Imitating that playstyle are we?
Vote ReaperCharlie


On Tasky: No real read.


I'm going to have to
request replacement
. I don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to the game.

Voting the leading wagon before jumping ship? Good work incriminating the hell out of your replacement!
is now full, but replacements are always welcome.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:20 am

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(tap tap tap) this thing on?

RC, is a bad wagon..

Tasky is a better one.
NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:48 am

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RC said that he wouldn't read the thread until he had a wagon. If you see my post in 300, I will strongly consider removing my vote once he actually posts content. A townie that doesn't even read the thread is not a good idea.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:57 am

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VOTE: Tasky

Reiterating CKD's post. Tasky is scummy. RC is still pending his future post, but leaning on town.
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:09 am

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SharkFinn wrote:VOTE: Tasky

Reiterating CKD's post. Tasky is scummy. RC is still pending his future post, but leaning on town.
So why do you think Tasky is scummy? I don't really have a problem with your vote, but I just want to know the reasoning behind it.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:51 pm

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Tasky's upfront style to people focused on CKD as scummy up until he swaps to lynch TheLonging. When the day started, he decides to jump on me for voting a dead guy (my fault of course), but then he decides to go after RC. I'm wondering what changed his PoV, because I mean based on his initial behavior, he's probably wouldnt jump off CKD that easily. It's just unusual, plus the RC wagon isn't that great at the moment.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:28 pm

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*pokes RC*
This is getting old.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:15 pm

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Alpha Werewolf wrote:On ReaperCharlie: The case looks good, and I've seen similar play by Fate(as scum) in Square Enix II. Imitating that playstyle are we?
Vote ReaperCharlie


On Tasky: No real read.


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This vote. Smells. Am I the only one finding weird the fact that Alpha had the time to express thoughts of RC and Tasky before asking for a replacement for precisely lack of time?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:30 pm

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Sorry all my internet was out. Post coming up shortly (not as thorough as I want it to be but it'll have to do because dinner is soon)
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:34 pm

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tasky wrote:could you explain this argument a little better? I don't understand it
its pretty simple. When you are scum you die to check the night results early in the day to see if your nightkill worked or not. Using that logic, its very unlikely that a scum would not know who died the night before. Since Sharkfin didnt know gandalf had already died, this means he is very unlikley scum.
tasky wrote:if he is losing town points in your opinion, why are you putting him on the prob-town list?
there are reasons that make me think he is prob town besides his own behavior (see stinky wagon against him). In day 1, a relaxed tone is a towntell. By day 2 if you dont have solid stances, that towntell starts to lose its power. And yes, Im also waiting for that megapost of his.
tasky wrote:why is that post inherently townish, townish enough to make you ignore what you call a terrible looking iso?
this is also pretty simple. Diginova as scum is less likely to ask that type of question before a flip since he would know the result. Its an elaborate gambit and Im not sure if diginova is able to do that.
tasky wrote:I don't see any reason for that in your whole post. Could you please show the arguments behind your vote?
The wagon against RC smells bad despite RC's alignment. Since I think he is prob town, yet, its still more damning since he could be an easy target for scumbags (yes, the guy is useless but tangible scummy when there are a lot of other players useless as well?). The wagon simply grew too fast and you are a big proponent of it.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:45 pm

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diginova wrote:Any specifics as to what specifically you got out of my ISO that has me on your probscum list other than the fact that I am overall a cautious player and didn't like an RVS wagon?
A cautious player is more likely to be scum. Can you cite examples of that cautious behavior in other games?
diginova wrote:In addition, after reading your ISO, it seems you're saying that people are town based on people that agree with you and, specifically recently, have very little reasoning and just follow the popular votes, possibly to try to blend in with the town.
Some people were sheeping with me (alpha, magna, iirc) yet they werent town in my list. Anyways, my reasoning to think people are town has nothing to do with they agreeing or not agreeing with me. You could try and read the logic I use to say they are town.
diginova wrote:How is this a post that is worthy of recognition, other than the fact that he's agreeing with your logic and following your vote? It seems you're trying a little too hard to push your viewpoint and get others to agree with you.
Is this scummy?
diginova wrote:In ISO4-7, you keep specifying that you want TheLonging dead, going as far as putting "I want Longingscum dead under a grave" as your only content in ISO6. Yet in ISO8, in your continued update of your scumlist after not posting at all for over a week, you remove TheLonging from your list *without any explanation*
diginova, I never left TheLonging wagon. You should try to read the game as a whole.
diginova wrote:Speaking of IIoA, why are you giving no reasons any more for changes to your list? You seem to just be following the majority, jumping off the Longing wagon when it became unpopular and onto the other most popular wagon. You haven't given any useful information or analysis since July 1, and you just seem to be active lurking yet making it seem like you're giving new information due to your constantly changing scum list.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:22 pm

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Anon wrote:A cautious player is more likely to be scum. Can you cite examples of that cautious behavior in other games?
Sadly, not without breaking any of the "no talking about ongoing games" rules. The site I played on before MS is long gone, and my only completed game in MS was over 3 years ago.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:44 pm

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Anon wrote:
diginova wrote:Any specifics as to what specifically you got out of my ISO that has me on your probscum list other than the fact that I am overall a cautious player and didn't like an RVS wagon?
A cautious player is more likely to be scum. Can you cite examples of that cautious behavior in other games?
I'm not going to say anything else that might help digi against your case, but I just want to say that I really disagree with this statement. I am a pretty cautious player as both town and scum. Getting suspected for being cautious (just because that's your play style) when you're town is just annoying. I know from experience.

The rest of your post seems just dandy to me.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:59 pm

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OK. finally. I got some time. I just woke up from a nap. have only slept 5 hours out of the last 48, sry to keep you all waiting but that is definitely more important. *stretches and yawns* Yeah, this is three full hours late :0 obvscum!!!! lol


Post by post analysis of thread (caution, may contain IIoA):


@ Seraphim accusing Tasky of double-standards in RVS: w/e, I dont think it's a tell. if he's a newbie, let him act like a newbie. I am wondering why ooba would let such a newbie into a large theme game though :?

SharkFinn's entrance to the game in #44 doesn't seem particularly strong or well thought out, but... yeah its pretty early to have anything to go on. In #45 though he pushes for a lynch already: "5 more to lynch Tasky (of course I doubt it will happen soon)", which I don't find particularly useful or pro town.

I kinda agree with #47 from ckd. I hate playing with lurkers and flakers.

#49 from digi seems more like town-paranoia than scum-freakin-out, as I mention in #50.

I like #53 from Anon.

#54: Sharkfinn is also a VI. Oh noes. Now we have two already.

#60 and #61 from diginova sounds like an IC talking, not really like a player playing. This is not a newbie game. If scum don't have a day talk QT, why help out newbies in this game? This game shouldn't have newbies in it, period. It makes things a lot less fun for serious players.

No offense to them since they've obviously been trying a lot harder and paying a lot closer attention, but yea it's kind of tough when you're in ten current games like I am. :| But seriously,
have they even completed a newbie game, mod?


#62. Ok wait. We have three. This game is looking a lot harder to win now... I'd definitely not want to see any of those three in a MyLo situation.

Karma's comments in #66 about sharkfinn's #44 echo my own.

sharkfinn's #67 is terribad in defending against #66, but then again looking at his join date... idk. still though, read this: "At the moment of the post, he was the scummiest in my eyes. Of course it was not set in stone and I already had intentions to move the vote if things got closer." So he voted for whoever the largest wagon was because he was scummiest. yay, because votes on somebody make them scummy! logic fail. but the disturbing part is "Of course it was not set in stone and I already had intentions to move the vote if things got closer." <-- ORLY. then what is the point of a pressure vote?

and that he says that "most people put themselves on their own 'town' list has me facepalming right now.

#72: yawn

#73: nice avatar, that is from the Doubt manga, right? and wait a second... :igmeou: are you friends with KageLord in real life??

#79: I like this post. I think I like 99% of Magna's posts on the site. They drip town. Easy to say after he's all dead and flipped and whatnot, but yeah, point stands. this post was good even before he died.

#82: after seeing gandalf's flip, what does this make you think?

my #88 and #89: sorta my excuse for not paying so much attention. lol

#100: same here, ckd. what do you think now? lmao

I like #103 a lot. Enough to lay a vote on it.

Vote: Zang


#106. Go-go-gadget-IC from a newbie, that's a new one :) Ok I'll stop, lol

#107. shhhhhhhh let him figure these things out by himself. this is not a newbie game, please stop treating it like it is. they won't learn more by being babied, they'll learn more by making mistakes and getting ganked for it. (yes, i realize that if they are pro-town that it's 'scummy' of me to say this, but frankly, I don't care)

#109: what do you think of your gut now, Empking?

#110 sparkles with pro-town loveliness.

I like #112 as well, but that looks like it could also be a scum sheep vote with parroted reasoning. Still, looking at the join date, it could just be an earnest vote.

@ 118: ORLY diginova. you missed it. i believe you.

Zang's third reply in #120 makes me want to backhand him, but it seems like only a townie would say something like this. And it's true, Zang plays differently as scum. But I ... but...

Unvote


Seraphim #122: WOOP WOOP IIoA ALERT!!! scummy post

ckd 124: you seem rather jumpy about a vote on you, good sir. and not even a vote, just a threat of a vote. noted.

#125: i don't know razorback either. who's razorback?

I kinda like 127 even though the vote is wrong. nobody could have known. I thought thelonging was scum just as much as anyone else did (except the real scum that is, lol). anyways in a game this large, it's likely we have 2 scum groups and/or a number of third-party roles like gandalf's.

sadly, the points about me in #143 were spot on.. moving on :?

#144: though i agree that magna's posts are long, there's generally a lot of good content there if you wanna dig a bit. he thinks through things significantly more in-depth than most players i know, and when it comes to

I like #148 by 'I doubt it'. The points about Zang AND the points about TheLonging. How long have you been on the site, IDI? you seem to know how to cut through the crap and get to the meat of the discussion, at least, a lot better than some of the other newbies floating around. I see you have been here a month, that might explain most of it.

And for what it's worth: Even though TL flipped town, she deserved to die. (She's probably in the dead players quicktopic at this very moment shaking her fist and screaming "I AM NOT FEMALE!" rofl)



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This is taking longer than I thought. My readthrough analysis of page 7 and on will have to come later, along with my thoughts about certain players and overall summation of the thread. Sorry again for promising more content which I can't yet deliver... but... hey thats life.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:00 pm

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Also, I'd continue to appreciate it if people would not lynch me until I get the rest of this post up. Thanks a mil.
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