Harry Potter Mafia - Over!

[ReaperCharlie]

I doubt Furc is town.

But since I'm confirmed town

, I'll just run around and support whatever wagon, just because. /joking. I shall be smart. Mhmm.

LOL

you are no more confirmed town than Mr. Ron Weasley, who you doubt is town. And you haven't even given us a name, so STFU until you put your money where your mouth is. And yes, in case anyone is wondering, a mason claim is absolutely 100% worthless without a partner claim as well. And it's especially worthless in theme games without even a name.

"Uh... hey, I'm a mason guys!"

(YES! now I can go parading around calling myself confirmed town! score!)

[Andrius]

I doubt Furc is town.

But since I'm confirmed town

, I'll just run around and support whatever wagon, just because. /joking. I shall be smart. Mhmm.

LOL

you are no more confirmed town than Mr. Ron Weasley, who you doubt is town. And you haven't even given us a name, so STFU until you put your money where your mouth is. And yes, in case anyone is wondering, a mason claim is absolutely 100% worthless without a partner claim as well. And it's especially worthless in theme games without even a name.

"Uh... hey, I'm a mason guys!"

(YES! now I can go parading around calling myself confirmed town! score!)

You, my good sir, are frustrating.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, that may be.

But I make sense.

And that is the difference between us.

[Andrius]

I refuse to let you anger me anymore.
You almost angered me to NameClaim. Almost.
Then I realized there's still a chance you're scum.

[Kmd4390]

Reap is right that andrius isn't confirmed. I do, however, think he is town. I'd like furc to fullclaim so I can decide if I wanna hammer or not.

[Andrius]

Sadly, Furcolow isn't up for a prod until tomorrow, so I hope he posts out of the benevolence in his heart.

[ReaperCharlie]

....it angers you that I make sense? 0_o
Ok, listen then. Here's why I don't believe you right up front, and if you don't understand this, think again:

A) You haven't nameclaimed (the only roles I could see as masons really are Filch and Mrs. Norris, or Fred and George Weasley. And I can't think why either of those would have a separate yet ALSO linked role, which had the wincon of killing your mason buddy).

B) Nobody has also-claimed with you, which vaporizes the credibility of your claim in zero seconds flat.

C) I don't have a town read on you.

[Andrius]

....it angers you that I make sense? 0_o
Ok, listen then. Here's why I don't believe you right up front, and if you don't understand this, think again:

A) You haven't nameclaimed (the only roles I could see as masons really are Filch and Mrs. Norris, or Fred and George Weasley. And I can't think why either of those would have a separate yet ALSO linked role, which had the wincon of killing your mason buddy).

B) Nobody has also-claimed with you, which vaporizes the credibility of your claim in zero seconds flat.

C) I don't have a town read on you.

No, you angered me because you don't believe me. And I think you're doing it just to spite me. Nonetheless,

A) You need more flavor knowledge of Harry Potter, if you don't know this. Might I suggest reading book 5 again? (What do you mean by a linked role? I don't win by killing him; that's stupid.)

B) That's because he's trying to stay low-profile in regards to his character.

C) Too bad. If you hadn't claimed Dumbledore I would read you as scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, those are easily the most obvious choices for masons, and if I were to add that role, that's probably who I'd pick to be them. does anyone disagree with me? (Actually, thinking back, I do believe it was Filch and Mrs. Norris as masons in the 2004 game, anyone care to look it up for me?)

Put yourself in our shoes for a sec: We don't know what you know, and obviously you aren't obvtown to us, especially if we have a scum read on you. A dude claims mason. No flavor, nothing. Just that he's a mason. Nobody else claims with him...

...

...

What's your conclusion?

Exactly.


But honestly though, assuming for a moment that you ARE actually a mason: if you are TRYING to narrow it down for the scum who your partner is (if he's so all-important) then you are seriously doing a bang-up job. In other words: Just stop blabbing out secrets now, and I will drop it. Why the h311 do you want to lynch an un-counter-claimed Ron Weasley though? He seems like a bit of a main character to be a scum fake claim. And his claim makes sense.

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Kmd, what exactly besides vote count analysis makes you think raj is scum? You seem to be pushing his lynch quite hard in your posts 985, 1004, and 1024. Do you have any other reason besides his placement on lynches? Because it's been my experience (as in Werewolf Wisborg Asylum) that he acts terribly scummy even as town. Maybe if you ISO'd him you'd see the same thing(s) I did.

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but when you think about it why would scum claim so early when they could have ridden the fur/raj wagon til the end of the day?

THIS is what is throwing me for a loop. Not about raj... about Andrius.

But then I think I already wondered this. Why claim when unnecessary? Just for the WIFOM it?

It doesn't make sense either as town OR as scum.

[Kmd4390]

Reap, nothing else. It's just the VCA TM.

[rajrhcpfreak]

but when you think about it why would scum claim so early when they could have ridden the fur/raj wagon til the end of the day?

THIS is what is throwing me for a loop. Not about raj... about Andrius.

But then I think I already wondered this. Why claim when unnecessary? Just for the WIFOM it?

It doesn't make sense either as town OR as scum.

i have some nuggets of gold if you look hard enough into my posts.

andrius is babling on and on and more he refuses to accept that a mason claim is useless with out a partner, just as worse not having a name claim in a theme game. and then saying all masons are town is a crazy claim.
masons arnt what they used to be. i remember my first game where masons werent considered two town players.
im not going to go into more possiblities but i can see harry-voldermort, ron-hermine, just pointing out there couldd some bad/good connectons and other decent connections. but right now im thinking the mason claim is very weak at the moment.

[Andrius]

@KMD: What is "VCA TM"?

@ rajrhcpfreak: "Nuggets of gold"? Whatever do you mean? Is this you attempting to softclaim?


@ everyone: I'll be V/LA from Friday through Sunday, because my surgery date got moved forward like 2 weeks. If I can post, I will. If not, I won't.

[Kmd4390]

Andrius, post 980.

[Andrius]

Ok. I thought it was an acronym though.
I really like that post, BTW.

OH. Vote Count Analysis. ^^;

Still think we should lynch raj/Furc.

[Kmd4390]

Still think we should lynch raj/Furc.

I endorse this product/service. Don't forget Nobody Special though.

[Andrius]

Furc, claim. I am still willing to vote you.

Don't forget Nobody Special though.

Who?

[manho]

@mod, can we have a prod on furcolow?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Setting up lynches isn't scummy.

On this we disagree. I see very few credible situations where Town has motivation to plan multiple Days worth of lynches without carefully inspecting the impact of each lynch and each Night.

Did you not see my post about softclaims being bad regardless of alignment? Let me put it this way. Why do we not massclain to start games?

Because it tells scum who to kill.

If andrius is town, he was a NK target as soon as he softclaimed. If he's scum, we want to see his claim anyway. Back to if he's town, what more danger does a fullclaim put him in than a softclaim? It makes no difference whatsoever. A claim does nothing more than provide the town with more info about andrius.

It’s obviously not a good plan to mass-claim at game’s start. Why bother to include that as a supporting point to your argument?

I’ve bolded the portion of exactly why I think going to a full-claim from a soft-claim is an even worse move. If Andrius is indeed town with a soft-claim there is at least some potential doubt as to whether he might be a worthy Nightkill target that Scum are going to have to mull over. Pushing him to a full claim simply eliminates that doubt.

It gives Town more information if you believe the claim. If you don’t? Then Town has gained nothing, but Scum potentially have gained some knowledge.

I don't know much about his scum meta Magna. But I've seen him play town a few times before and this is no different.

Then the Meta is frankly worthless. It’s only truly useful if you have some differential behaviour by which to analyze whether he is playing to one particular side.

I personally

HATE

player who are Scummy / Anti-Town regardless of alignment. It only serves their personal “I want to play longer, not more effectively” agenda and doesn’t help Town.

@Andrius

– I don’t see why you are hesitant to give up your name. Unless it directly links you with another already established claim I don’t see it as compromising your Partner.

@Rajr re 1043

– The WIFOM regarding whether scum would or would not do something isn’t really helpful.

Hi, I just got prodded. How did you guys post four pages without me?

Obviously we showed up when the thread opened and posted content. Day 3 started on Monday. Judging by your post trail since then you’ve had plenty of time to actually read the goings on and comment here. Seriously you have 3 pages of posts from Monday til you responded to the prod. Now the determination whether you are lurking scum or just lurking bad town needs to be made.

MOD - I'll be LA from today at 4pm EDT until Monday morning for normal family weekend duties.

[ReaperCharlie]

Still think we should lynch raj/Furc.

What do you have on raj?

What do you have on furc?

[Kmd4390]

Magna, I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying just blindly lynch and disregard whatever information comes up. Its more like with the information we have, this is what id like to do.

I think you also missed my point on the claiming thing.

[FakeGod]

Why the h311 do you want to lynch an un-counter-claimed Ron Weasley though? He seems like a bit of a main character to be a scum fake claim.

And his claim makes sense

.

Furc's claim makes sense to you? Look what he said.

espeonage wagon feels scummy to me... not everyone on it... but you KNOW there are scum there.

also, accord to my role pm, which is similar to what he claimed, his semi-claim makes sense to me.

i am inclined to believe him, and ask that you not lynch espeonage

if everyone is supporting this, though, i will hammer him myself.

what he said about being dead and posting
i have something like that, too, so that makes me believe him.

me saying "there are scum there, but they're not all scum" is pretty simple, isn't it? his wagon has scum on it, but not everyone on it is scum (obviously)
i would hammer him, yet i don't want to, if the town asks it of me

anything else, gentlemen?

lolwut?

RC, you're telling me that

Ron Weasley

has some sort of power to communicate after dying?

[ReaperCharlie]

No I meant it makes sense that he'd be a VT. Ron is helpless, the only time he was (passive) aggressive or scary was in Goblet of Fire when he and Harry got all pissed at each other. So it makes sense that he'd have no powers.

And as for the talking after dead thing, I have no idea. It doesn't make sense for Dementors to be pro-town (maybe in a backhanded way), it doesn't make sense that Harry's patronus is named Prongs (maybe if you figure he named it that because he missed his dad so much?), so I mean... why not?

All I know is, I don't especially think he's scum, and I'm definitely not hammering somebody I have a town read on at this point. Not to mention he seems to agree with me about Andrius being questionable at best and scum at worst.

[FakeGod]

I'm pretty sure Furc fakeclaimed. No matter which angle you look at it from, Ron Weasley definitely do not have the powers to do stuff like talking after dying.

Therefore, we can conclude that Ron-claim was fake, but the fact that no one else cc'd him means that either a) Furc just randomly called out a HP Character and by off-chance it happens that no one's Ron. or b) Furc just randomly called out a HP Character and real Ron doesn't wish to out himself. (a wise move) or c) Furc already somehow knows that he wouldn't be CC'd if he claimed Ron.

RC, how in the world are you getting a town read on this guy???

[ReaperCharlie]

a) are you retarded? he sounds random but he's not utterly stupid.
b) are you RETARDED? the 'real' Ron would definitely counter-claim.
c) *facepalm* http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fakeclaim

How am I getting a town read? Gut + meta. Plus a) and b) above.

[Furcolow]

this game is pissing me off. andrius and fakegod spam the thread like scum. my BEST case has been on dramonic, who is fucking scum.
my SECOND best case has been on a reapercharlie-kmd cult-pairing.

You all diss MY fakeclaim, which it ISNT a fakeclaim, but I havent heard anyone say SHIT To RC about claiming dumbledore.
I'm sorry I'm not fucking "known" on this site, and you all think you can fucking bandwagon the guy who is busy in real life, but that's straight up fucking bullshit.

I was really thinking Andrius was scum, but as he unvoted me, I am not sure. I'm pretty sure scum would let the wagon roll. Raj I feel is just straight up lazy and tunneling as an excuse to be lazy, which is probably unhelpful town play in my opinion.

I would like to lynch FakeGod because of numerous people being suspicious
Don't lynch me, as if you do, I can't use my treestump powers