Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[Twomz]

/confirm

[Twomz]

Huggle: Friend

cause it makes sense.

Vote: Hurchel Cedricson

cause I don't believe we've met and no, I don't know what I did >.>

[Twomz]

Ugh, Exposiva was the last game I was in before I quit... I had no other games going, school had just started back up... >.< man, I always felt really bad about that, I just kinda forgot about the site and stopped posting. Oh well, no intention of doing that again .

[Twomz]

That's the problem with games where there's no majority lynch and no power roles... town doesn't have much to go on and very little incentive to post... and scum blend into the lurkers .

[Twomz]

Jack... that's like posting "Mod says I'm some kind of serial killer, I don't know what my alignment is, can y'all help?"...

Don't know if I should vote you or not... awaiting explanation.

[Twomz]

Lawl wut? I'm not quite sure what's going on... I'm still waiting for Jack to respond. This isn't the first time I've seen someone do some sort of weird fakeclaim for whatever reason... but it seems silly to do it in the first place >.> oh well.

[Twomz]

@ IP: I usually wait for conversations like this to finish before I comment on them. I'm a strong believer in 'do not answer questions posed at other people for them'. That said... if Jack is just gonna pull V/LA after that, then I might have to read over what others have said and trying to figure out who is saying what (a little confused which side is which). Interesting first day though.

[Twomz]

Jack: 'Fakeclaims' a scum role. Complete WIFOM on whether he actually be telling the truth or not, scum wouldn't 'fakeclaim like that', town claiming like that as a gambit is retarded at best. He action after that (voting w/o reasons given) makes me think he wants to be lynched... ugh, I really hope not. My opinion unless he proves otherwise, he either wants to get lynched (really hope not), he is playing a 'gambit' like people think (not useful) or he really is a traitor and came out and claimed letting others defend him (dunno why they are) so that later on the mafia will know who to recruit... unless Jack's play improves he's going to be on the top of my scum list.

DH/Friend: A player votes a player for doing something scummy/stupid in their first post, so another player votes that player for being opportunistic... and then they argue about it for 4 pages? Sounds like two town fighting to me, unless it turns out that Jack IS scum/traitor, in which case Friend COULD be kneejerk defending/trying to derail the wagon on him... but probably not.

Can't decide where to stick my vote... so I'll

Vote: Jack

for bad play for now.

[Twomz]

Jack, I can't tell if you're:

- trolling
- actually scum
- town reaction testing

...but at this point, it's starting to get on my nerves for some reason.

I like you InflatablePie, I think we're gonna get along just fine.

[Twomz]

and I have no clue what fleeting means.

It allows units to run and assault in the same phase. (example: genestealers, harlequines, ect)

@ Friend: Although it's usually hard to tell, a lot of the time I get town feelings from different fights (this is not a 100% town tell at all, just a feeling).

I don't know if TheLonging is more overdefensive or if it's... AtE? (never used that before, not sure on it), but worth investigating further.

[Twomz]

Hmm >.> guess I had it wrong. Eh, I usually don't consider normal 'tells' besides a few old ones.

[Twomz]

Nay, I have a feeling he's frustrated by your playstyle, just as I am.

So, I'll just wait for a bandwagon to build and then hammer to end the day. No one really seems to care that much.

Unless the BW is on Jack, my votes already on him.

[Twomz]

@ Fugi: You mean my 'Nay'?

[Twomz]

Yeah I think twomz is likely scum too.

Right back at ya.

[Twomz]

I hate planned lynches as well. "If A flips scum, then B is probably (not) his buddy" is acceptable, "If A flips scum then we lynch B" is not.

[Twomz]

Saying someone is probably someone elses scum buddy is linking them together, of course if we think someone is someone elses scum buddy we will try to lynch them, but it's not the same as 'if A is scum lynch B'. No telling what will happen that night or the next day, better to just connect the dots as we go along.

[Twomz]

Pie: DH isn't on that scumlist

That would imply that DH isn't one of Pie's top 5 scum choices.

[Twomz]

v/la 3 days

Are you actually v/la this time?

Probably not, but no one cares enough to vote.

[Twomz]

He needs to know who to point fingers at .

[Twomz]

I'm not against lynching Kov at all right now. I would prefer a Twomz lynch first.

I think you mean wagon. You need to have a wagon before you can have a lynch.

...
Some quick thoughts/reads/etc:
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Twomz - My top scum candidate... why is there no pressure on him.
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Twomz

He's been active lurking from the beginning of the game.

Yup, I even announced I was going to in an earlier post.

His posts lack content, and all I've seen him do is pressure Jack for being anti-town, which seems like he's avoiding all the main wagons for either a) being on his scumbuddies or b) not wanting to be on a town lynch wagon.

I don't agree with them. If I did I'd switch over. Right now I think Jack's behavior is the most antitown so far and I'm attempting to mirror him (this post excluded, how is it working?).

Lot's of game theory posts instead of content posts.

Par for the course Day 1 sadly .

Then there's this subtle appeal to Pie:

@ IP: I usually wait for conversations like this to finish before I comment on them. I'm a strong believer in 'do not answer questions posed at other people for them'.

I don't think anyone noticed this. Pie had just voted Twomz at the time of this post. About a page earlier Pie FoSed r2r for answering someone else's questions. Twomz is trying to appeal to Pie here... I don't know what you guys will think about that, but its telling to me. This is also a reason why I think Pie is town, because it seems like Twomz is trying too hard to please Pie here, and I don't think he would do that if they were scumbuddies.

I don't quite get what you're saying, I was answering a question posed to me and stating my opinion on answering other people's questions for them >.>

Then he buddies Pie here a little bit later:

I like you InflatablePie, I think we're gonna get along just fine.

Buddying the only person to show suspicion on him, etc.

His posted pretty much exactly what I was about to post... I didn't know agreeing with someone was scummy.

Just in general, read Twomz's posts, he's hardcore avoiding taking stances on anyone besides Jack, and the chances of Jack getting lynched today are slim.

Vote: Twomz

I've dug in on Jack because no one else has. I don't like the Pie wagon or the TL wagon, or any others really, again, if I did I'd switch over.

Back to lurking until Jack stops <3

[Twomz]

Huh. I like ortiz's case on Twomz. He's lurking because Jack is, allegedly, but that certainly doesn't make it okay (for either of them). Twomz appears to be of the opinion that it's okay for him as long as he's admitting that he's lurking. ??

TL's defense wasn't particularly convincing to me, though. Vote stays where it is. :<

Nope, don't care if people attack me for it as long as they attack Jack for it as well.

[Twomz]

But... the second sentence is a playstyle thing, you're saying my playstyle appeals to Pie? That doesn't even make sense.

Also @ TL

[Twomz]

But... the second sentence is a playstyle thing, you're saying my playstyle appeals to Pie? That doesn't even make sense.

No, I'm saying it was unnecessary to include that in your post, it didn't fit into the conversation. I'm of the opinion that you put that in your post to appeal to Pie.

Anyone else see what I'm saying? I'd appreciate some insight about my Twomz case.

I don't remember doing it for that reason, but I doubt me saying that will change your opinion, so meh.

[Twomz]

Just saying, every time I check the thread I think how funny it would be to toss a hammer if someone gets to L-1. Take that into consideration when waiting til there to claim .

[Twomz]

@ HC: Sorry, I've been skimming for the most part.

If you mean this...

Just saying, every time I check the thread I think how funny it would be to toss a hammer if someone gets to L-1. Take that into consideration when waiting til there to claim .

I don't get it. Explain the joke.

I'm not joking. If I realize someone is at L-1 I will have to IRL pass a will save to not toss a hammer on them and end the day. My opinion is still that Jack is the scummiest player, but I kinda just want the day to end at this point.

[Twomz]

Jack is still scum, people should vote for him.

[Twomz]

Repetition is the key to success.

Also, a good way to not get prodded. If anyone has any specific questions for me, i'll be happy to answer them.

[Twomz]

Twomz: Who are your partners?

The butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker.

If y'all get something better than 'man, twomz is scummy, let's wagon him' I might be tempted to claim. As it stands I don't think I've done anything different from Jack, I'm just being vocal about it to point out that he's doing it too, if y'all think I'm scum for that go ahead w/ the lynch, but don't expect a claim or any kinda response from me if that's all y'all have.

[Twomz]

Post 634 would only be scummy if you assumed a DH/Twomz scumteam and thought he was trying to redirect away from a buddy. Also, nice guess at the mafia, 2/3rds lurkers huh?

[Twomz]

@Kov, Twornz: If a Jack lynch won't happen today, who else are you suspicious of?

I'll look over the top lynch candidates when I get more continuous time to play. I'm still upset at the lack of Jackwagon.

[Twomz]

Wow, vague threat to the town and saying that claiming will be 'the end of the town'?

unvote, vote: DH

Not cool man. There is no town role that is better lynched than claimed.

Prepost Edit: I suppose I can add OMGUS, but the vote was coming before the vote was up... or w/e.

[Twomz]

Wow, this kinda exploded while I was DMing my 4th ed campaign...

I wonder if a claim from me would nail DH into a coffin or not? Hmmm. Liking my vote after all this though, If they are neighbors one of them must be mafia, so we now have a scum narrowed out like that, woot.

[Twomz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc

I can link to youtube in posts too.

Any opinions on me claiming, or would it be pointless today?

[Twomz]

We should have done this claiming fiasco pages ago... look at all the scummy content .

[Twomz]

Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Day 1)1 ... 36, 37, 38
Mini 999 - Isolated Mafia (Game Over)1 ... 17, 18, 19

I'm starting to see you in a better light.

[Twomz]

@ r2r: I dunno, maybe the post I quoted?

[Twomz]

And I was a Town Neighbor. Is my self-lynch anti-town? Not as much as all of you guys are being right now. >_>

If you are town neighbor, then yes, self lynching is antitown... self-lynching as town is ALWAYS antitown.

Also, when did I ever say Jack was 'town'? When have I said anyone was town? Not being able to pick out targets might be scummy, but don't start accusing me of shit I didn't do. Until the post where I voted for DH, I just thought everyone was arguing in a nonscummy way so I was focusing on Jack cause I couldn't determine who was scum by that. That doesn't mean I thought anyone was town, just that I didn't have a solid scumread (on Day 1, it tends to be difficult to do >.>).

[Twomz]

vote: esurio

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Mod: Title of the thread is still night 1

I want to say my vote on esurio is More than a feeling, but it's not based on anything. I could see either him or ortiz as the scum of the neighbor group, but I figured ortiz would be the more likely one to get votes, so I voted erusio.

[Twomz]

Lynching esurio or ortiz would be a decent plan if we can figure out which one is scum. Lynching both to try to find scum wouldn't be >.> So, if we are unable to get a definite feeling about one or the other we should just hold off on them and try to find scum from other sources.

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I thought ortiz originally said I was townish then changed his mind as the day went on... eh, don't remember much 'solid' stuff from yesterday.

So our main targets are: One of the neighbors (no one's showing any clear proof either way), Kov and Friend? It seems to be that Pie is conditional on me being scum >.> which I'm still not sure how that's true but w/e. Is the consensus that if Friend is scum then esurio is most likely scum as well ortiz? Or are you trying to get esurio to be more promising target to get you off the hook?

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I'd think that '~4' people who said they were suspicious of me but kept votes on others would imply that they were all in a mafia group with me... which would mean a 5 person mafia in a 12 player game? I'd say either check your numbers or drop it cause it's stupid.

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I didn't want to double post >.>

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I'm seeing a possible eursio/pie scum team... but that might just be my gut after rereading Pie.

I don't see anything definite in Pie's posting that would make me vote him though, eursio is more likely to be scum imo based on what I've said in previous posts.

Doesn't understand Jack's gambit

No, I understood it, I just thought it was stupid and wanted him to hang for it. This isn't the first time someone's tried to 'gambit' in a game I've been in and I'd prefer to cut the behavior out of the site.

AtE to Pie

I still don't get why people are saying this, I agreed with his post, so I'm AtEing/Buddying him?

Wants to hammer at the end of the day (I don't like this at all. I can see scum's motivation (allows him to bus without looking suspicious, and not hammer if he flips town), but I really can't see a town motivation for doing this)

My motivation was to end the day, it had been dragging on long enough at that point.

Is suspicious of Jack (this helps what he did the rest of the day make sense, but doesn't excuse it). Case is so-so.

I'm less suspicious of Jack now that he's started posting more.

Says he doesn't like planned lynches (I like this post)

This is always my position, just as I am always against quicklynches, I will always warn if I'm going to hammer or planning on hammering and asking if there is any more discussion for the day.

Using what others are doing to excuse what he's doing (I don't like this)

I was attempting to draw attention to Jack's active lurking at the beginning of the day by active lurking myself. The experiment failed and I won't be doing it again.

Keeps bringing up claiming (almost as if he's daring us to ask him to claim)

I don't understand, when did I do this?

Joins the DH wagon

This is a fact, not sure what to say about it.

Sees Jack in a better light because of his comment on how many pages the game is (???)

I'm allowed to be crazy/humorous sometimes...

Talks about the possibility of neighbors being scum (I think I asked him this and I liked his response)

I think one is scum. There is a chance they are all town and the mod was hoping that the WIFOM would help the scum, but I doubt it.

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AtE: it just seemed like you were trying to say that you were someone that played similar to him to please him and make him suspect you less. I could see those posts coming from town or scum though.

The day was dragging out on page 9? That's when you first brought up hammering to end the day.

Lack of posting would 'drag out' the game, even at a low page count >.>

I don't think Jack has posted that much more today, and if he has, it's only because he isn't on V/LA.

It felt like he picked up his posting to me /shrug.

I know what you were trying to do with your active lurking, but it wasn't the only time you did that.

"So, I'll just wait for a bandwagon to build and then hammer to end the day. No one really seems to care that much."

Lot's of game theory posts instead of content posts.

Par for the course Day 1 sadly .

Implying that because no one else is doing much, you don't need to do much either.

To an extent, I'm always like that day 1. I need information to scumhunt and if I don't have any then meh, I'm pretty useless.

On claims: "If y'all get something better than 'man, twomz is scummy, let's wagon him' I might be tempted to claim." ~ post 632
"I wonder if a claim from me would nail DH into a coffin or not?" ~ post 848.

I thought a claim from me would get the votes off of me and onto DH (no, I don't actually want to claim, but I thought it would help end the day). The whole purpose of a wagon imo is to get the person to claim... why is that suspicious?

m looks a lot like rn. He called me ready2roll.

[Twomz]

I'm defending myself against r2r because he's actually posting stuff for me to defend myself against. I've commented on people attacking me throughout the game, it's just more obvious at the moment.

[Twomz]

Erm, what, that should be L-1 unless I'm mistaken. I'm the nurse (now doc). Was trying to not claim. Awesome how people kept piling on votes there for no good reason. Hopefully it wasn't a lynch.

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Half the wagon was scum, so it's only somewhat the town's fault. TL, you shouldn't have hammered me before I had a chance to claim >.>