But the very notion of being "okay" with getting lynched relies on the role. Anyway, since you've retracted the question, I'll not answer it.nocase wrote:no, vox. answer my question role-related info aside.
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I wondered this too but wasn't sure if it sounded too far fetched. I assumed he'd have made the effort to find a reason to unvote before getting replaced, but perhaps he couldn't get into the game enough to re-read for that reason, or maybe by that point it may have looked more suspicious. It's good to know that I'm not the only one to consider that possibility though.XScorpion wrote:Col. Cathart's play doesn't give very much info onto his alignment. Yes, he supported a Beefster wagon, but that could simply be distancing and he may have planned to unvote later, but never got a chance.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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i don't mean to be snarky but excuse me while i don't answer this question. i can get around to it later if you want me to.xscorp wrote:As someone voting me, I don't understand your need to ask any of these questions. Do you want me lynched? Or are you looking for someone to answer these questions because you want someone to confirm your suspicions?-
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@nocase- That's why I called it a slip. I don't think he consciously would. I'm not ruling it out of the realm of possibilities that it was a WIFOM gambit, but I do think it was a slip at bare minimum.
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I agree with much of what d3x is saying, but I don't really see it as accidental (i.e. a slip). After XS had declared that he believed the claim, he had to offer a reason for that belief. This could explain why it came post-claim rather than before the claim itself; backtracking to rationalise the (re)action he had made. It would have looked suspicious if after the hammer he had said, "Oh, no, I think he must have been fake after all."
You don't sound too convinced by d3x's reasons. What is your take on XS's behaviour?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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AV - I've read your explanation and I understand it. However, any action in this game can be explained from some town perspective. Your defense would be alright had it not been for this:
It is this argument in particular that has led me to vote you.Rhinox wrote:Final thoughts: I think its saying something that Beefy voted, suspected, or questioned everyone in the game at least once, accept for AV. That is noteable because beefy was always demanding reasons or responded whenever someone suspected him or voted him, and beefy didn't even respond at all when AV called him his top suspect and voted. I think that points to a solid connection between the 2, and AV is scum #2.
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Okay, that's all I wanted to know. What do you make of XScorpion's lack of vote/scumhunting of Beefy, and his defences of him as townie (meta) and his faith in the claim?ConfidAnon wrote:
It is this argument in particular that has led me to vote you.Rhinox wrote:Final thoughts: I think its saying something that Beefy voted, suspected, or questioned everyone in the game at least once, accept for AV. That is noteable because beefy was always demanding reasons or responded whenever someone suspected him or voted him, and beefy didn't even respond at all when AV called him his top suspect and voted. I think that points to a solid connection between the 2, and AV is scum #2.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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By the specific posts I pointed out (iso 9, 14), budja had already given reasons for voting beefy.AV wrote:I sided with Beefster because he actually had a case, whereas Budja just voted without reasons.
Why is it any better to put him at L-2 before going on V/LA vs. L-1? he could be hammered either way while you're gone.AV wrote:I didn't want to put him at L-1 because I was going to be V/LA. Would you prefer I had put him at hammer distance and then disappeared for a few days?
The reason I gave was that I agreed with the points brought up against him. Funny how you didn't acknowledge this point of fencesitting on beefy while you were so quick to refute it earlier in the post.AV wrote:Rhinox wrote:
Iso: 33 switched vote to Xscorp. Iso 37: more wishywashy-ness on beefster - "I think his last post was ok/I'm still wondering if there's a XS/Beefy scum team". Questioned me about putting beefy at L-1 (iso46).
I questioned your L-1 because you hadn't supplied any reasons. L-1 votes should have at least some evidence to them.
I don't disagree with what you said here, but I disagree with how you went about it when beefy was being lynched. You were fencesitting, and I don't think you would have hammered if there was no CC.AV wrote:In my experience, it's best to let the L-1 claim. And in my experience it's best to at least give the person in question a chance to back their claim up - i.e., point to breadcrumbing and so on. I am still glad that I didn't hammer him straight away, because if he had been cop, that would have been a stupid move to make. I would have hammered, and would have had the chance to prove that, but after Beefster had had a chance to defend himself.
Do you disagree that waiting for a claim, or letting the claim share his reasons, is what should have happened?
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I was referring to what you said in iso-11: "Well therein lies the difference. I Voted Beefy, I'm building a case on you. As big of a difference between these as there is between AntiTown and scummy behaviors. But don't worry, I haven't forgotten him..."d3x wrote:
Can you point out where this happened? Because I'm pretty sure you're making things up to make me look bad.Rhinox wrote:was called out for forgetting about beefy. From that point on, was pretty much "ok with either beefy or xscorp lynch"
I maybe took too many liberties paraphrasing than I originally thought. XS pointed out that you voted beefy but never made a case, but you were making a case on XS. You responded that you haven't forgotten about beefy. You're right, I can't point out where someone specifically said "you're forgetting about beefy", but my interpretation is that XS pointed out that you didn't give beefy as much attention as you're giving him and your response was that you didn't forget about beefy and then you proceed to ask him a question and be ok with his lynch the rest of the day but never enough to prefer him over XS.
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Well its unlikely my opinion is going to change regardless of what you say at this point. I am unwilling to support any lynch other than AV, d3x, or scorp today, and I rank the lynches in the order budja gave earlier: AV > d3x >>> scorpAV wrote:Rhinox, Budja, ConfidAnon -
None of you have made any responses to my defence against Rhinox's points. Anyone fancy saying something about that or do you just want to lynch me without even reading my posts?
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I see, I thought you were referring to an earlier point. In those posts, I considered both Beefster's and Budja's points (I believe this is quite clear in ISO 9) but found Beefster's to have more substance to it, and thus I was more convinced by his arguments. I didn't mindlessly side with someone, I thought about what both of them were saying.Rhinox wrote:
By the specific posts I pointed out (iso 9, 14), budja had already given reasons for voting beefy.AV wrote:I sided with Beefster because he actually had a case, whereas Budja just voted without reasons.
Because L-1 is much closer to hammer than L-2. Putting someone at L-1 is kind of a big deal, at least I think it is, and I wasn't prepared to do that if I wasn't going to be here to (a) Judge his reactions, (b) debate his claim, (c) follow up with questions, or (d) unvote if his defence/claim was sound. Yes, he could still be hammered at L-2, but it requires that extra person. I'm not saying that L-2 is "safe", but it's "safer" than L-1. Because it requires less people to get the hammer, I'd be unhappy if I returned and that one extra person had voted him and he'd been a mislynch.Rhinox wrote:
Why is it any better to put him at L-2 before going on V/LA vs. L-1? he could be hammered either way while you're gone.AV wrote:I didn't want to put him at L-1 because I was going to be V/LA. Would you prefer I had put him at hammer distance and then disappeared for a few days?
I don't quite get what you're saying with this last sentence, can you explain it to me a bit more? Or, maybe you tell me what/where I've refuted fencesitting? If you're saying I've been inconsistent in calling you out on fencesitting, in my ISO 46 I did call you out on it, so I did acknowledge it and have thus been consistent in it. I'm a bit confused, so I'll try to answer if you can explain it further.Rhinox wrote:
The reason I gave was that I agreed with the points brought up against him. Funny how you didn't acknowledge this point of fencesitting on beefy while you were so quick to refute it earlier in the post.AV wrote:I questioned your L-1 because you hadn't supplied any reasons. L-1 votes should have at least some evidence to them.
I can't prove that I would have hammered, and it's pointless for me to tell you that I'm telling the truth in saying that I would. As for the accusation of fencesitting, I wasn't; I was saying, quite clearly, that I didn't believe his claim. But I thought it was normal for people discuss claims and such, rather than hammering straight away, which is why I waited. I mean, hypothetically, if he'd been the real cop, then would ConfidAnon have been your top suspect at this point?Rhinox wrote:
I don't disagree with what you said here, but I disagree with how you went about it when beefy was being lynched. You were fencesitting, and I don't think you would have hammered if there was no CC.AV wrote:In my experience, it's best to let the L-1 claim. And in my experience it's best to at least give the person in question a chance to back their claim up - i.e., point to breadcrumbing and so on. I am still glad that I didn't hammer him straight away, because if he had been cop, that would have been a stupid move to make. I would have hammered, and would have had the chance to prove that, but after Beefster had had a chance to defend himself.
Do you disagree that waiting for a claim, or letting the claim share his reasons, is what should have happened?
What about, regarding what other people say? What I mean is, are you set in your lynch, and will now sit back and wait for the deadline, posting just enough to not get replaced - or will you go out and scumhunt other people too (I guess it'd be between d3x and XS)? What if one of the other players slips up somehow, or a convincing case is brought against them? Will you outright ignore any of those things, if they happen?Rhinox wrote:Well its unlikely my opinion is going to change regardless of what you say at this point.
Yep, there is someone I think is town.Rhinox wrote:Anyone you think is town?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Suspicious of it as well. My vote for you might as well be him, I approve of both lynches, but you are slightly scummier to me (purely gut).XScorpion wrote:Okay, that's all I wanted to know. What do you make of XScorpion's lack of vote/scumhunting of Beefy, and his defences of him as townie (meta) and his faith in the claim?
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