Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[InflatablePie]

Everyone on my wagon should restate their reasons for voting me, so I can clear some things up. Please?

[Friend]

Getting suspicious of Jack for what I consider purely playstyle. It's one of those "ooh look he's not contributing to discussion" suspicions even though he

is.

He's just being concise about it. And proposing a policy lynch, that's blatantly scummy. Jack hasn't done anything to deserve a policy lynch yet - his playstyle may be slightly anti-town but it's not worth lynching someone over.

Using meta to put fugitive on his scumlist. Doesn't sit right.

Somewhat of a shoddy case on TheLonging. A lot of those things you pointed out are big stretches - the RVS talk , the OMGUS FoS-ing (which it wasn't really), the bandwagoning (not a scumtell in and of itself). FTR I think Longing is scummy too but this case seemed thrown together.

Makes a big fuss over DH's mislynch talk, says that he it's not okay to say "no big deal" about mislynching townies D1. But weren't you the one who proposed a policy lynch of Jack? Seems like by the very definition of policy lynching you don't take into account the players' scumminess. This is contradictory - you risk Jack flipping town if you want a policy lynch.

[Fugitive]

Fugi: Pretend that I'm not in this game for just one post (ex. don't use "connections" to me as reasoning). Who are your other top suspects?

No.

[Fugitive]

Oh, and DH is probably town so stop wasting time and energy on him.

[InflatablePie]

@Friend

- Like I said, Fugi is not high up on my scumlist, I just have leaning townreads on many of the players and only a few scumreads. I've noted that I'm just keeping an eye on him for now.

- The main reasons why I think TL is scummy is for the overreacting, blatant bandwagoning (in this case is scummy, although I concede it can be a nulltell) and that weird godfather comment. Some of my lesser reasons might seem like a bit of a stretch, but my case makes sense to me.

- I suppose policy lynch was a little harsh or bad choice of words. Either way, I don't think Jack is town right now, so I don't think I am taking this "risk of Jack flipping town". There's a bit of a difference in my eyes for wanting to lynch a player that's being blatantly anti-town and someone outright saying it's okay to lynch townies on D1.

[TheLonging]

Oh, and DH is probably town so stop wasting time and energy on him.

Stop messing up my town read on you

[Fugitive]

Oh, and DH is probably town so stop wasting time and energy on him.

Stop messing up my town read on you

I don't care what your read on me is. Read me as scum all you want if that's what you so desire.

[DemonHybrid]

Work tomorrow from 8-12, then 4:30-10. If anyone has something for me, it has to wait till that gap in the middle or after 10 EST. Sorry

(Will put together my suspicions on Pie when I can, but he's pretty much answered everything I've come up with, either with scummy or meh results.)

[Friend]

Oh, and DH is probably town so stop wasting time and energy on him.

Stop messing up my town read on you

Nah, DH

is

probably town. Sorry :/

[Haschel Cedricson]

You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons.

Still in the process of rereading everything, but this sentence alone is almost enough to make me vote for TL right now. It heavily implies that he believes there are right reasons to call him scum.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right now, I think that one of {TL, pie, DH} is scum. Right now I'm leaning towards DH, but I'm not sure.

I find this post suspicious, mostly because I think there's no way that anybody can find DH scummier than TL. Let's look at r2r's case on DH:

DH: I think he's neutral. I agree with esuriospiritus that he seems to be trying a little too hard to scumhunt, but I don't know how sure of a scumtell that is right now. it is day 1 after all.

Mostly

DH for reasons I said before. I feel like most of your wagoning is for pressure, which is good (of course I could be wrong).

That's not really a case.

He also says his scummiest read is Pie when (from the looks of it), all he did was voice his suspicion of Jack (something to note if DH flips scum, maybe they planned the whole RVS thing in the QT?).

I like my case on DH, so I'll go ahead and VOTE: DemonHybrid.

Yes, that's a great reason to vote DH, even though TL is much scummier.

I'm still going to

Unvote: ready2rock

, though. Why?

Because I want to

Vote: TheLonging

. I'm not going to repeat all of the reasons that other people have already mentioned, but I'll go over the things that tip the scales for me. First off there's the "scum for the wrong reasons" post I mentioned before. Just because the town takes a crappy road to reach a conclusion doesn't inherently make the conclusion wrong. Second, I think people have let TL off the hook for his "DH is the Godfather" remark. It's unnecessary speculation on roles AND an act of subtle powerrole direction.

Combined with the overdefensiveness and the rambling about meta when it's completely unwarranted, and I have enough to feel comfortable voting for TL. The whole "Hey I must be bussing

MY SCUMBUDDY

amirite?" thing feels wrong, too; admittedly I am having difficulty articulating why.

[esuriospiritus]

@376: Oooookay, so I wasn't

really

missing anything on the case on IP. Nope, still think TL is scummier.

Yes, I'm posting while three-quarters asleep. That a problem? >_O

[InflatablePie]

I'm posting on no sleep. ^5

Haschel, what do you mean TL's godfather comment is "an act of subtle powerrole direction"? I don't understand this part, although note that I do appreciate your support on the TL wagon.

[sorasgoof]

Replacing ManfredvonKarma with ortiz.

Ortiz has been sent his role PM. He should be posting soon enough.

[TheLonging]

Mod: Votals

I plead the fifth until the votals come up.

[Friend]

I feel slightly better about Pie. Slightly.

[sorasgoof]

Vote count coming tonight.

[Kov]

I'll wait till after count to post, if i can get on.

[Friend]

TL - why did you feel you had to wait for a votecount to defend yourself?

[Twomz]

He needs to know who to point fingers at .

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm posting on no sleep. ^5

Haschel, what do you mean TL's godfather comment is "an act of subtle powerrole direction"? I don't understand this part, although note that I do appreciate your support on the TL wagon.

After waking up and rereading what I wrote, I can't remember what I meant. I think I was trying to say that TL was poisoning the well should an investigator get an innocent result on DH, but I don't know why I phrased it that way.

[Friend]

Twomz, I'm not getting much from you besides that you think Jack's play is scummy.

[sorasgoof]

Day 1 Vote Totals

If there is a mistake, point it out.
Last post seen:

Friend,

page 16.

[4] InflatablePie:

Jack, Fugitive, DemonHybrid, Friend [L-3]

[3] TheLonging:

InflatablePie, esuriospiritus, Haschel Cedricson [L-4]

[2] Jack:

Twomz, Kov [L-5]

[2] DemonHybrid:

TheLonging, ready2rock [L-5]

[0/4] No Lynch:

None

[0/4] Deadline Extension:

None

Not Voting:

ortiz1193

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is August 5th, at 11:59 ET.

[TheLonging]

Because I wanted to see votals before starting my case, which is the fact that DH found me more scummy yet voted for Pie. That's what I got from him.

ANYWAYS

Because I want to

Vote: TheLonging

. I'm not going to repeat all of the reasons that other people have already mentioned

Trumpetah~~

, but I'll go over the things that tip the scales for me. First off there's the "scum for the wrong reasons" post I mentioned before

I'm getting voted for reasons that are, by large, nulltells.

. Just because the town takes a crappy road to reach a conclusion doesn't inherently make the conclusion wrong

See last point.

. Second, I think people have let TL off the hook for his "DH is the Godfather" remark. It's unnecessary speculation on roles AND an act of subtle powerrole direction

I am awesome like this. Right? I didn't intend to setup speculate btw. If you assume I did so on purpose, please refer to the dictionary and try to find the definition for "wishful thinking"

.

Combined with the overdefensiveness and the rambling about meta when it's completely unwarranted

Meta is a stepping stone for a case, not the WHOLE case, also overdefensiveness/recklessness =/= scumtell btw

, and I have enough to feel comfortable voting for TL. The whole "Hey I must be bussing

MY SCUMBUDDY

amirite?" thing feels wrong, too; admittedly I am having difficulty articulating why

Here's a hint: I am sarcastic. A lot. This kind of ties into my whole point the last bold thing I used. Also it's to point out how fucking ridiculous the connection between me and IP is. He practically STARTED the wagon on me, if you want hypothetical situations: If he was scum and if I was scum, and he started a BW on me, and saw it taking off, wouldn't he just you know, unvote? Same pretty much applies when I am town (aka now) and he is scum. The only thing that makes sense here barring unusual play from Pie is that I am town and he is town or he is town and I am scum

.

[TheLonging]

Nevermind I pretty much wrote a consciousness reply to that quote. Those two points are separate