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@Fonz: In other games I've seen you try to get the town to agree to certain things when the game starts. Why didn't you do that here?
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I can't deny this, but I don't believe you. It seems like you backtracked to cover your contradiction. You can't change my mind about this.Alduskkel wrote:Back from vacation. Need to catch up a fair bit. Just reached the stupid stuff over my random vote. Point is, I closed my eyes and pointed. Then I eenie meenie miney moed, changing my finger position each time.This time, I'll not care.-
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Oh hey.
Nailed it on the head.The Fonz wrote:Incidentally, @Prox: Al has already answered that question. He states that he closed his eyes, pointed at the player list, and went 'eeny meenie miney mo' which to me seems eminently plausible and not evidence that he lied at all.
No it isn't. You randomly move your finger each time you say a word, but not too far because then it'll drift off the player list.Prox wrote:Its relatively hard to do eeny-meeny-miney-mo with your eyes closed for starters.
And that means what? Ythan is more active than me. I won't deny that, I've been gone for a week. On the other hand, you seem to think that this is an either/or thing. We could both be Town. We could both be Scum. Just because you think that Ythan is more likely to be Town than me doesn't mean I'm scum.Prox wrote:Oh. I misread a post. Al is in the clear (sort of), but Ythan is also right in suspecting him (sort of).
Still, Ythan seems more likely town than Al, but only because of his content.
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Let's not waste time on this crap again.
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Don't take things out of context. I was responding to another post which accused me of complaining. I felt it necessary to correct that, despite it being completely irrelevant. It was all part of an irrelevant convo.Prox wrote:
This makes you seem unnecessarily apprehensive.Beefster wrote:I'm not complaining. I'm just saying where I've been. I wanted to post earlier but couldn't.
Not exactly. I can't really tell what exactly he's hiding. If I knew, he wouldn't really wouldn't hiding anything, right?Prox wrote:
Could you elaborate what Ythan is obviously hiding by not recapping?Beefster wrote:I thought I posted pretty recently. Maybe I just didn't feel I had anything to add. Anyway, I've been wanting to say this for a while but forgot.
I'm not liking how Ythan is refusing to (basically) defend himself calling it spoonfeeding. Recapping is NOT spoonfeeding. I'd say spoonfeeding is more like building someone else's case for them. You're obviously hiding something.
He's hiding something along the lines of evidence or reasoning. He expects us to read his mind while reading his posts.
Yup. You had me correct. Explain why it doesn't make sense, knowing this.Prox wrote:
This post doesn't make sense. So you do think Ythan was just dodging the question or that he was too lazy to go back and find them or too... Ythanic (pronounced EE-Than-ic; term soon to be patented)... to realize that he never answered the question?Beefster wrote:@Ythan: When Alduskkel was pressing you for answers, you refused to answer him by calling it spoonfeeding. In reality you never actually answered the questions. I think it was YOU who was too lazy to read the thread and quote yourself for answers. Therefore you are hiding something.
Furthermore, I reread and did an ISO, and I'm not at all liking how overly defensive he was about Alduskkel's RANDOM vote.
My vote stands.
It's not bad, but is often done by scum. Getting activity going is a nulltell. Don't use it to defend him.Prox wrote:
I'll restate this in this now-serious post:Beefster wrote:
He was attacking a totally non-threatening random vote. It got the activity going, but that's not necessarily pro-town.The Fonz wrote:2) Overly defensive is a scum argument. Also, to my mind, he wasn't defensive, he was attacking- trying to place pressure on a minor point to get the game going. This to my mind is slightly townish, as it reads as trying to create an argument to get the game going. I've also attacked players in the past for seemingly being unable to keep their story straight about their reasons for their random votes.
Weird, yes. But scummy? What was scum-Ythan thinking by both catalyzing discussion and bringing attention to himself? Since when is getting activity going a bad thing?
He has more to lose if he's scum. If you deflect votes early, you shouldn't need to deal with them later. Also, in another game, I was scum and heavily attacked a random vote with no reasoning. I feel Ythan is doing the same with similar intentions.Prox wrote: Clarify: You haven't explained sufficiently the reason that Ythan's attack on a nonthreatening random vote is scummy.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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How is that anti-town? Seems like SOP to me...Prox wrote:My playstyle isn't anti-town in any obvious functions. Except:I do not role claim at L-1 unless sure of a hammer.
Such as?Prox wrote:However, Ythan and his immediate suspicion of Al's random vote still confuses me. It could suggest several things.
Why leave this statement hanging, seriously. You're implying it's potentially scummy without saying so. Why?
And again. What questions remain?Prox wrote:The point is that I see you as town, but some questions still remain. These need not be asked atm.
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Reasons, true intentions. Specifically, the real reason he asked the Vig question.ekiM wrote:
Can you give an example of what he might be hiding?Beefster wrote:
^Misinterpretation. It happens. I can't read minds either.The Fonz wrote:1) You kinda contradicted yourself there, saying it was Ythan who was too lazy to go back and quote himself. That implies that the answers were there, and therefore Ythan was in the right.
The thought process I went through was this:
-He claims he answered the questions, which I'm not seeing.
-If he thought he answered the questions, why didn't he go back and quote what he thought to be the answer?
-He covers it up by labeling it as spoonfeeding to quote the answer he claims to have.
-I see this as hiding something because he refused to answer a question clearly.For example? Getting really bored of people answering things in an unhelpful way.
OK, point taken that being a village idiot wouldn't be helpful. I don't understand how "provoking activity by flinging accusations" is a bad thing, even if they're fairly weak sauce. That's exactly what people should be doing at the start of the game. I also don't understand what scum motive you're imputing here.Beefster wrote:
I never said anti-town. Scum may want to provoke activity more along the lines of flinging accusations or causing accusations to be flung. Not all icebreakers are pro-town.ekiM wrote:
How can getting activity going be anti-town?Beefster wrote:[Ythan attacked] a totally non-threatening random vote. It got the activity going, but that's not necessarily pro-town.
Or perhaps being a village idiot as town thus making the rest of the town fling accusations at you. That gets the activity going, doesn't it? And I would call it anti-town. (This case is not applicable. It's just to prove a point.)
If you think he's straight-up lying you should think he's scum, as town have no reason to lie. So why aren't you voting him?Prox wrote:
I can't deny this, but I don't believe you. It seems like you backtracked to cover your contradiction. You can't change my mind about this.Alduskkel wrote:Back from vacation. Need to catch up a fair bit. Just reached the stupid stuff over my random vote. Point is, I closed my eyes and pointed. Then I eenie meenie miney moed, changing my finger position each time.
Alduskkel wrote:Why would I lie about a random vote?
Seriously, this is absurd. If you have an explanation of how something is scummy, why not give it?Prox wrote:I have my thoughts.
HEY, you know what you could've done in the SAME AMOUNT OF TIME it took you to write this? Give an example of why someone might lie about a random vote, if you can think of one. That'd be 10* more useful.Ythan wrote:Are you asking why you'd lie about a random vote as if it's preposterous for a player to do that? If not then word your question better.-
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How so specifically?Zajnet wrote:[Fonz]'s case on Beefster seems very contrived.
Why does that bother you?Netlava wrote:
The fact that he bothered to differentiate between the 2 is what bothers me.Zajnet wrote:Not knowing what active lurking means isn't a scum tell, but I think some of the other things Fonz has been saying could be.
Netlava wrote:@drmyshottyizsik: Just curious, did you "meta" me btw?
Which games did you read? What conclusions did you draw?drmyshottyizsik wrote:yep-
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I think talking about those things would constitute as rolefishing, and help the mafia. Do you disagree?
Because, really, can't you guess why scum might "randomly" vote a player on the Day after N0?
The case on Al isn't currently strong enough to get him lynched today. And there's more than one scum. I'd rather have a known scum alive N1 than an unknown one; this game has a vig in it.This time, I'll not care.-
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I asked...Prox wrote:I think talking about those things would constitute as rolefishing, and help the mafia. Do you disagree?
How is not claiming until someone threatens a hammer anti-town?
What things could Ythan's suspicion of Al suggest?
What questions "remain but don't need to be asked yet".
Why aren't you voting someone you believe to be scum?
What are your thoughts about Ald possibly lying about his RV?
I don't see how those are rolefishing.
What IProx wrote:Because, really, can't you guess why scum might "randomly" vote a player on the Day after N0?thinkyou're insinuating is that Alduskkel might be the mafia spy cryptically communicating his result and epically slipping when Ythan brought unbearable pressure by asking him why he was voting for him. Seems fairly implausible. If he really did have something to hide he'd be more careful, no? Also his vote for Ythan looks like a pretty crappy cipher if it is one (how's it indicating the exact result?).
Why insinuate this rather than saying it (if I'm right about what the hell it is you're trying to say..)? How does saying this tell scum anything at all they wouldn't already know?
So you think Ald is "known scum" but you're not even trying to convince anyone else of this? In fact you're specifically holding back the reasons why you think this (I think..), to the extent that I only just worked them out myself.Prox wrote:The case on Al isn't currently strong enough to get him lynched today. And there's more than one scum. I'd rather have a known scum alive N1 than an unknown one; this game has a vig in it.
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Beefster - 4 - Dry-fit, The Fonz, Prox, Zajnet
Ythan - 3 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy
Alduskkel - 1 - Ythan
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Sigh.
1. I most likely won't claim at all.
2. It suggests that Ythan knows things. Things we don't. And I believe he's Town.
3. Questions about Ythan's immediate suspicion of Al's vote.
4. Already explained.
5. Al may be sending a signal to his buds. Probably signifying either he's townie or PR.
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When I inquired to Ythan if I should speculate about this, he declined.
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I already explained that the case on Al is too weak. There is little I can say more about it, and you find my thoughts implausible already. And I'm not going to advocate the lynch of someone based on one thing, especially something that can't be proven. But it only takes one to vig, and he can make that choice.
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Prox wrote:Ok. It's time now for restatements.
All of the following has been said before:
Restatements so People Will Read and Answer. Specifically: Netlava, Shotty, Beefster
@Shotty:
Since when??drmyshottyizsik wrote:And ythan, I like meta reading people
It's a fun hobby I took up at the start of thursday morning murder
His whole play-style? Clarify.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Yes, either he is scum or his playstyle is anti town. I would like to meta read him. NETLAVA SEND ME A LINK OF YOU PLAYING TOWN AND MAFIA PLEASE
Yes I can't get a propper read unless i read town and scum
Also, what were you hoping to find in Netlava's recent games? I think I know, but I don't want to assume.
I just wanted to see if he play a very destinct way when he was town vs. mafia
Why did you ask this? The tone and setting seems serious.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Ythan, are you scum?
The game was moving along slowly so I thought I may as well start an attack on him,,, but that really didnt go anywhere
I got an entirely different read from that altercation you speak of.drmyshottyizsik wrote:I don't know, maybe he is your partner and you didn't want him to fall through the cracks too early, but when you realized he was just a dumb ass you backed off
Also: this view seems to suggest that you believe beef is scummy. But then you call him a VI (again, harsh). What is it?
I think, after read some other games he has been in. That beef is just a bad player a lot of the time.
This sounds like Good & Honest, not playing the game but still a part of it. You aren't G&H: PLAY THE GAME.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Ok gere goes my thoughts on what has happened lately.
Dry is lurking and being unuseful.
My opinion on beef is that he is dumb and VI'ish
I think the vote count has it right, Ythan and Net are pretty scummy
I think no one should be lynched untill we hear more from Dry Ald and Ekim
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?! That was really harsh man.
So I'm going to have to assume that reading netlava's meta didn't change your opinion of him? Tell us what you found.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Also my views havent changed to much
No nothing has changed on my views on netlave, since he didnt give me any games I searched him and found that he play like this when he is scum, and some times when he is town.
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It's ironic that drmy's calling Beefster a bad player. Pot calling the kettle black, as they say.
Anyway, I think it's obvious how far-fetched Prox's theory that I'm the Mafia Spy indicating Ythan as a power role is. It assumes so many things:
1. There's a Mafia Spy (has about a 7% chance).
2. I'm that Mafia Spy (1/10 chance not counting Socrates or Prox).
3. Assuming all of the above, that I investigated Ythan on N0.
Unlikely? Very. Compare that to my explanation of my random vote. I just find it funny that Prox says that no matter what I say he won't believe me.
No, it doesn't. If I was the Mafia Spy I could be voting Ythan to indicate that he was Vanilla.Prox wrote:2. It suggests that Ythan knows things. Things we don't. And I believe he's Town.
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Hey drmy, when you meta'd Netlava, did you come out suspecting him more or less than before you had meta'd him?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Okay. What specifically made you suspect him a bit more?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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