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yabbaguy (O)ptimized
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WTF no claim?
He's on L-1. If he claims vanilla or something unconvincing, THEN you hammer. Simple.
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drmyshottyizsik Jack of All Trades
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Zajnet Mafia Scum
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A) there can be two cops or two docs in this game.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Sorry, I just have almost no faith in claims anymore. He could easily claim cop or doc knowing he would die anyway just to draw out the reall one so they would be nk'd.
B) A Cop/Doc trade for a scum is good for the town.My GTKAS
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drmyshottyizsik Jack of All Trades
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Ythan SheWelcome to the HaystackShe
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drmyshottyizsik Jack of All Trades
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Ythan SheWelcome to the HaystackShe
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Prox Goon
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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Vote: drmyshottyizsik.
Claim or no claim, I cannot believe how ridiculous you are. Your claim just saved your ass and now you want to hammer someone else before claim? Then you backtrack as Ythan pointed out and do a complete 180 on your stance.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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yabbaguy (O)ptimized
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Why do you distrust the claim, Ald? All the signs, the way I see it, point to letting him ride to LyLo or be the NK.yabbaguy ~ Winning without actually winning.
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
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I'm somewhat surprised at people's assessment of Drmyshottyizsik claim being a poor one for scum. Yes, it might be 50% there's no D's at all. But think about it. If he claims backup, there's a 50% chance that there's no doc, but that won't get found out until massclaim, which probably happens at LyLo- ie, delays his lynch at least a couple of days if believed. Secondly, there's much less risk of a counter than with a doc or cop claim, because the probability of a backup doc in the setup is pretty low (but no SO low as to render the claim unbelievable). Thirdly, he doesn't have to fabricate night action results. As far as I can see, it's a BRILLIANT scumclaim.
I still find Dry-Fit incredibly scummy, but Zajnet conveniently hopping off the fence in order to declare willingness to hammer everyone else's suspect really sticks in my craw.-
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yabbaguy (O)ptimized
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Say Dr (backup) Doc rides to LyLo. If no Doctor claims come, then he's obv lying and he's gonzo. One thing to note is that there's no indication to the Mafia that a Doc exists unless e.g. SK and Doctor both exist and Mafia's kill was stopped. It could also be a Blocker's meddling, but drawing a B for an input is far less likely.
On the flipside, say a Doctor claimdoescome. That makes it a trifle more complicated.
The tricky thing in this game is that each backup role, amongst the plethora of roles that exist in this gamecan only exist once. If shotty is fakeclaiming, and anactualbackup Doctor exists, the CC comes and shotty is lynched straightaway. There's actually a quite bit more risk, and while this starts to be the recursive logic loop we affectionately call WIFOM, I don't see why scum would want to go for the role that carries the greatest risk of resulting in an immediate lynch.
I find it questionable if scum were to fakeclaim this, and thus I believe him.yabbaguy ~ Winning without actually winning.
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
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Three of any one letter other than T, I think, is so unlikely that a counterclaim ought to come if anyone claimed doc or cop, especially since we know there's two Vs. In which case, the chance of a nurse counterclaim is only ever so slightly higher, and the fact that you don't have to deal with the 'Why wasn't X nightkilled?' factor helps as well. I just think it's what I'd do if i were run up day one as scum in this setup.-
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Dry-fit Mafia Scum
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Well you should be able to tell me who all the scum are right now then. Seriously do you guys not pretend to scumhunt as scum? Dr accused Ythan of not scumhunting (or not appearing to scumhunt.) I didn't see how he could see things that way.Netlava wrote:Unvote, vote: Dry-Fit
Saying your top suspect is trying to scumhunt is inconsistent, as only town try to scumhunt.
unvote. Vote; Netlava.Rediculous wagoning.
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I probably should have replaced out. I'm recovering from surgery and then got a computer virus at the same time.Wth heck is wrong with Dry-Fit? Either he's barely trying, or he's trying hard to look like he's trying.Andy Murray: Two time Wimbledon and one time US Open Champ! Former world number 1!
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Prox Goon
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Votecount 1.12
Dry-fit - 4 - The Fonz, ekiM, Beefster, Netlava
Alduskkel - 1 - Ythan
Beefster - 1 - Zajnet
drmyshottyizsik - 1 - Alduskkel
Netlava - 1 - Dry-fit
Ythan - 1 - yabbaguy
Not voting: Prox, drmyshottyizsik
With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline: August 16
V/LA: yabbaguy, Aug 13-16
Approximately 3.5 days until deadline.
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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@yabbaguy: Well, Nurses aren't very high NK targets until a Doctor dies. drmy is enough of a VI that I, as scum, would probably save until near-lylo to off.
Even if the claim is possibly a poor one for scum, I don't really think highly enough of drmy's play to think he wouldn't risk a counter claim.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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Also Dry Fit is a poor lynch. He's been lurking for IRL reasons. He just said he had surgery. Who lies about that?!CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
"i've only known aldus for four and a half months but if anything happened to him i would kill everyone in this room and then myself" -Datisi, March 28 2020
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Beefster Mafia Scum
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Does anyone else see OMGUS, or is it just me?Dry-fit wrote:
Well you should be able to tell me who all the scum are right now then. Seriously do you guys not pretend to scumhunt as scum? Dr accused Ythan of not scumhunting (or not appearing to scumhunt.) I didn't see how he could see things that way.Netlava wrote:Unvote, vote: Dry-Fit
Saying your top suspect is trying to scumhunt is inconsistent, as only town try to scumhunt.
unvote. Vote; Netlava.Rediculous wagoning.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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Prox Goon
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I don't usually find OMGUS a good tell anyways. What's the scum motivation for it?
While Dry's point seems...flat, I can't help but think Beefster was opportunistic in his vote for Dry-fit.
vote Beefster
I mean, something like saying "trying" instead of "pretending" is a weak reason for a vote.This time, I'll not care.-
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Beefster Mafia Scum
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You didn't answer my question.
And why doesn't he just replace out if he's having IRL problems sapping his time?On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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