Mini 1039 Lost: Season One (Over)

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#confirm

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VOTE: Faraserdayphim
So is it a hydra or not?

hmm, dunno, what do you think?

Vote: vezokpiraka

Anyway, let's cut the bullshit. We're in agreement. I'm declaring a policy lynch on vezokpiraka. If you haven't played with him before, well, if you've ever played with Empking, it's something similar except even more bizarre. He likes to jump wagons, is nigh-on unreadable, and is one of the most anti-town players in the game I have ever had the (dis?)honor of playing with. Let's lynch him right here, on Day 1, where he can do the least damage.

Which head is this?
I don't support policy-lynches. Vigs yes, but not lynches.
If you have a dayvig, have fun, if not I won't be endorsing this wagon unless he does something scummy.

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i have never watched a single episode of Lost.
However I have watched a lot of Reck, if that counts as a good substitute.

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That has got to be the silliest idea ever posted.
How are people who haven't seen the show supposed to explain anything?
Also, Reck prolly supplied fakeclaims to the scum.

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Vezok isnt a good policy lynch.

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im gonna wait for dekes before voting

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Please explain to me clearly why we are even voting him?

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EBWOP: All I'm seeing is "his role sounds like scum, lynch him!"

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Wait, you would support a lyncher getting his win cause?... in my experience with lynchers and it is limited to my admission... A lyncher is never set out to lynch an anti-town role. That would mean willingly supporting a lynch of a town role??? thats not very pro town.

I have personal experience with making lynchers aiming at scum roles.

CEBM had one aiming at the SK
GP2 mafia (comodded with Reck) had one too.
In SWN II, the lyncher was after a jester.

Point being, lynchers are definitely not inherently bad.

I can fall along with giving Vezok his little win.

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If you help us catch the scum we can let you win <<

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Jason, don't be an idiot.
We can compromise for now, but if we havent caught 2 scum before theorical LyLo we screw him over.
Otherwise, we let him lynch his little friend.

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Vezok, could you explain to me why you're speculating about everyone's rolename?
It's escaping me.

Also, whoever said Claire is prolly a fakeclaim needs to hang.
let me check,,,

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Unvote
Vote: Serafara

hard.

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Course Dram's vote's scummy because his reason for voting us is 100% garbage. Explain why it's scummy dram, or are you just posturing?

The way you worded implied that you thought Dekes was scum <_<

Unvote

for now.

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Unvote
Vote: Jenni

nothing game related has come out of you, really.

PoE tells me Jenni, Jason and Ademisk,

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Guys, we are not lynching BC.
He is a VERY bad lynch.

Look somewhere else.

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I'm not sure if this is a Vezok's post 254 parody or if you really mean this, but why is he a bad lynch?

How about "I have inside information that doesn't include me being a fake-rolecop/lyncher that makes me know he's a bad lynch for the town?"

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Ademisk, Dram has role related info that makes him know BC is town.
Since BC is town and yet really scummy , that makes him a VI

I never said THAT

unvote

I'm fairly vla for the weekeed

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What sort of inside information would you possible have that makes him a bad lynch if he isn’t Town? This needes to be answered pronto because he’s not stopped acting scumtastic.

If he is scum he should be lynched last.
You don't need to know more.

Unvote
Vote: Ademisk

I like this wagon

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This post is really bothering me. We've gone from Dram saying BC is a bad lynch (usually meaning town) to this now. Does no one else find this suspicious?

If you weren't making assumptions you probably wouldn't so much...

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I can't confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that

any

one is town except for myself; however, if Adem knows my role, flavor, and character name, then it's almost impossible that he isn't town.

I dont know about the Lost perspective, but from a mafia perspective taht is full of blatantly false.

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So...
You're a mass backstabber?

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Spoiler: Season 2 spoilers

Michael ventured a rescue alone, but was captured himself. When he returned, he shot Ana Lucia and Libby in order to release Benjamin Linus from captivity, and caused the capture of Jack, Sawyer and Kate, meeting his end of the deal he had made with the Others in return for Walt. After leaving the Island on a motor boat with Walt, Michael returned to Manhattan, but racked with guilt, he became estranged from Walt and turned suicidal. In order to redeem himself he went undercover for Ben as a saboteur on the freighter Kahana, posing as a deckhand named Kevin Johnson. He was aboard the freighter when the C-4 bomb was found, and he froze its battery with liquid nitrogen to delay its detonation long enough for the Oceanic Six to escape, but the bomb eventually exploded, destroying the freighter and killing him.

You sound kinda mental to me. What with the whole son-obsession...

Mod-edited for spoilers.

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I don't know lost, I'm just tergiverating here.
Although Reck editing my post does answer that question.
Doesn't change the fact considering the two "cross-confirming" each other are my suspect no.1 and no.2

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EBWOP: apparently I dont know what tergiversating or tergiversing or whatever means.
I could have sworn though...

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I havent watched lost, how would I know, it's not divided on the wiki :S

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do not vote BC.

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I think he might actually have fell for it <<
there are 2 different HH wagons Ademisk

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geez, why am I not surprised that Ademisk and Jenni are still alive <<

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well, I could post and say "I FUCKIN TOLD YOU SO!" but that would be kind of smug <<
also, I do not support a chesskid wagon

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Chesskid protected Dekes. (were is she?)

Is Chess kid flips scum we know who to lynch the next day.

WTH are you talking about?

@BC: I don't know chesskid enough to have a developped opinion. I'm feeling he's more newbish than scum.

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my current reads based on playstyle are that Jenni and Ademisk are the remaining scum
the fact they are still alive reinforces that.

BC seems town to me, and I am unwilling to lynch him.

Vote: Ademisk

You should've died yesterday. I won't let you off twice <3

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PoE tells me Jenni, Jason and Ademisk,

You could extrapolate from this that any other lynch is bad <_<

Also, I am not lover with BC.

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I have a very short ISO, how hard can it be to check it?

I have a firm belief that our scum is Jenni+Jason+Ademisk
SURPRISE, jenni and ademisk are crossconfirming themselves
surprise, HH flipped town
surprise, jason was indeed scum

Can we please lynch ademisk now?

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dram, what are you talking about. You're descending to Vezok's level of gibberish, start making sense man! And I did check your ISO. Your voting history is garbage. FSH, jenni, and me twice. The only remotely sensible vote, I felt at the time, was on FSH. And even that you soon withdrew due to accusations of how worthless it was. Your 2 latest votes aren't any better.

doesn't make them any less accurate <<

The questions you are asking me prove that you're not even trying.

Why would I not be surprised you and jenni are alive even though she claimed BP and you claimed crossconfirm.
Think for a second.

I fucking told you (or implied, what-fuckin-ever) that HH would flip town.

And I want you dead because my gut tells me you are scum, and your claim just fits perfectly within that thinking.
So far my gut's been pretty accurate.

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@dram: Lets see. I asked you...
1) Why you were surprised that me and jenni lived.
2) wth you mean by "I TOLD YOU SO!"
3) Commented on your bad vote

And I answered all three points in my very last post.
But I'll do it again, since reading doesn't seem to be your forte.

1) It is sarcasm, I am not surprised you two lived although you would be prime scumkill target because I believe you are the remaining scum.
2) I have given my clear opinion that the three scum are Jason, Jenni and you. ITYS in reference to HH flipping scum, because it was obvious from my PoV
3) My vote is not BAD just because it's not explained. My vote is on you, which is on scum, which is therefore good. I am a gut player and I get my reads on how people express themselves, check my meta if you don't believe me (even though meta is crap). I don't build elaborate cases and you'll have to deal with it or Night Kill me.

It's a different playstyle and it's been working so far.

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Dram, getting a lucky flip on Jason and claiming you were right does not constitute a good reason to play based on "gut" and throw all signs of scumhunting to the wind. Still waiting on a reason as to why we shouldn't lynch BC, or yourself for being fucking useless.

It's not a lucky flip though. Unless you wanna call the HH lynch a group-effort "unlucky" flip?
Gut play is not contradictory to scumhunting. There are multiple ways to hunt scum, and gut and motivation psychology is the one I prefer. Claiming your method is better than mine is ridiculous when your method has yet to provide result.

Also, stop rolefishing.

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Ok, if BC isn’t a lover why in the HELL are you defending him? You’ve stated you don’t have Mod confirmation of his alignment. I don’t see much reason other than behind the scenes role-mechanics why you would defend him so much. I’m sticking by my original assertion that we have scum in the BC / AGar / Hacker triumvirate. Hacker has been cleared by flip so I’m not inclined to continue to disregard BC based on your gut.

If you don't see much reason other than behind the scenes role-mechanics for why I'd defend him, it may be that I have behind the scenes role-mechanics reason to want him alive?

@Dram

– Please tell me why I shouldn’t be the little bit worried that despite your chest thumping your vote never went on Jason?

Because I was voting my other scumreads.

If you are Town your first reaction should be ‘Why in the hell is he clearing me’ because based on what you and dram has said I don’t see clear reason for him to do so. Sticking up for Town is a classic scum-move.

BC knows why I want him alive.

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I never claimed my way is better than yours. I'm claiming that you're not doing anything and you don't have a way. Big difference.

You're blind to my way if you think I don't have one.

And how is it rolefishing when you

soft claimed

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If I softclaimed, odds are I don't feel like hard-claiming. Now stop rolefishing, you're almost making me doubt my gut.

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Part 2: Don't softclaim. I'm saying I want answers. Transparency is pro-town. So give up the goods, or I'll keep at this.

You're not getting a claim, so either drop it or stop expecting answers.

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What I've gathered is thus:

You two aren't lovers.
You can't be masons.
Dram has no positive investigation on you.

If I'm missing something, I accept that, but I see NO reason why Dram had any justification for saying you were a bad lynch other than his personal read on you. But he has said more, without expounding.

Let's add a new thing to be gathered.
If you think either of us is town, lynching either of us is bad.
No, we won't commit suicide over one another.

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No. Dram made some weird claims like his "I FUCKIN TOLD YOU SO!" thing about HH

which we found to be completely false.

If you do not see how questioning him is good, I don't know what to tell you.

I beg your pardon?

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Ademisk still needs to die.
Lynching Vezok is a waste of time because he's just gonna autolose when we lynch the third scum anyways.

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Lynching Vezok is a waste of time because he's just gonna autolose when we lynch the third scum anyways.

Why is this relevant? I'm pretty sure everyone has noted this already...

MoI is still voting him
I find it funny that Ademisk is unwilling to claim. Is your fakeclaim not good enough?
Vezok, please get back on Ademisk
Someone else (MoI or Chesskid, since Jenni won't hammer her bud and AGar is hard-headed ), please hammer

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@Jenni: I've a deal for you.
If we haven't won/aren't in MyLo/LyLo tomorrow, we'll lynch Dekes.
now vote your buddy, won't you? <3

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that's not what BC said.
He said you might have a hammer-triggered ability.
Personally I doubt it, but I see no harm in you hammering.

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@Chess: it's only suicide if one of them is under threat of a kill.
Which they didn't think they'd be, being part of the scum team.

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Hmmm...

After rereading, I can attest that even though I don't know BC's alignment, he's very very prob-town.

Ademisk is still scum.
Jenni is still scum.

I can accept a wagon on either, but I'd really rather wagon Ade.

I will not support lynching Dekes or Vezok or AGar today.

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YES
THANK YOU VEZOK!

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I've nothing to add.
Vezok just wants the game to end.
Dont know bout the others.

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I doubt that. Jason didn't seem to be on his suspect list.

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EBWOP

: He'd have probably shot me/you/vezok/bc/dekes before shooting jason <<

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I could be wrong.
My main point is that he really didn't voice any open suspicion of Jason.

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He's waiting for Ademisk to claim or at least post I think.

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Please make it quick, we're getting restless

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"inside role-related information" I believe you called it when referring to BC? So, you don't know BC's alignment and expect us all to accept your assessment that he is probably town, but when someone else is put in the SAME situation, you think they are scum? How does that work exactly?

The situation isn't the same.
In your situation, I am already suspecting both you and and then it goes "ademisk is about to get lynched and squeals "Jenni, save me please!""
In my situation, I point out that BC is a bad lynch until further notice, and then review my position based on personal knowledge to think he is town.

I'm not 100% confirming people and I don't suddenly suspect extra people because they tell me I'm on the wrong lynch.

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so...
you're still not claiming?

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I... think he left, unless I'm reading the active users list wrong.

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nvm, he's back

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Oh right, the claim. Totally forgot about it. I guess it'll come out either way.

I'm a

Town Guard

. Knowing that jenni is Walt, my role as Michael is to protect her and try to prevent her getting killed. Ironically, she's been the one protecting me, but I stand by my claim that she is town, which I actually received in my role PM.

Meh, speculating the vig was the reason I unvoted you. I figure I would get a ton of questions for why I did, and eventually I would have to explain all that anyway, so I just saved us all the trouble. Besides, like I said, it is dead obvious, so its not like I'm outing anything.

Lol, can your claim be any less fake?
The role you're trying to fake is bodyguard, which has powers which you never claimed. Actually, you haven't claimed any powers that would even remotely link to being a bodyguard, except plugging the word protect. Additionally, a "Guard" is a AitP only role.
Also, we have a NURSE and a FLAVOUR COP... you know, not TOWN NURSE and not TOWN FLAVOUR COP.

Chesskid, please hammer this scum.

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He probably doesnt have a mod-given fakeclaim then.
Stop fucking stalling and lynch him.

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@Dramonic: Lol? Just because the word "town" was not in FaraSera's or HH's flavor doesn't mean it's not in Adem's. He didn't claim powers aside from protecting me, so why say he did?

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Are you fucking serious?
If it's not in MY role PM (which I know am town) and in EITHER flips, why would it be in HIS?
I'm not saying he claimed other powers, i'm saying he didn't even claim having protections on you or anything.

"I must protect and prevent Jenni from dying"

No action claims, no nothing.

Chess, look at your role PM.
Does it say "Town whatever"
No, it does not.
Now hammer this fraking scum so we can end this game.

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also

I FUCKIN TOLD YOU GUYS IT WAS JASON ADEMISK AND JENNI

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If there are three scum, and you're right and Adem ends up being one (he won't), the game won't end with his lynch.

Since he's town, his lynch will mean there are 6 town and 2 scum left. I will probably be killed tonight, along with someone else (whoever the vig/sk) picks, and then it will be night again, and two more will be killed. The odds of this ending well for town will be very low unless we indeed have a vig and not an SK.

That's a stupid assumption, even if the 2nd kill is a SK that doesnt stop him from killing scum.
In fact he has extra insentive to kill scum, since he doesnt want to get endgamed.

Additionally, let's pretend I'm mental and you are both town, and the extra kill is a SK

3-2-1 after the first night, if the sk is wrong
1-2-1 after the second night. If Reck has endgaming mechanics, scum wins.

Now, what are the odds of the SK killing two town roles in a row, of 0 other PR interception?
Low.

Now hammer your scumbuddy.

@Chess: I'm mostly refering to the whole "Town PR". If you're a townie, yes the word town is in there.

Please hammer the scum now.

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So either it's Jenni and Adem together, or it's 2 of Dekes/dram/bc/AGar?

If Adem and Jenni flip town, I invite the vig/sk to drive a bullet through me.

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MoI, you're town, please don't stall the scumlynch.

@Jenni: Except there is no SK.

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BC, dont stray too far, you might be needed soon.

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Actually, Fuck this I'm claiming
I am Sawier, I'm half a vig along with bloodcovenent (Sayid)
We are neighbours
If we submit the same person, we act as a 100% vig
if we submit different people or if one of us dies, we become a 50% vig.

I drove the "let's kill Jason" talk in our QT, we are responsible for his death.

If Jenni and Ademisk are truthful, we won't be submitting on the extra night, therefore rendering an instant scumwin impossible.

Now, please lynch the freaking scum.

BC, please confirm.

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@EBWOP:

if we submit different, it's either one or the other whose kill goes through, not both at a 50% chance
if one of us dies, our kill is 50% of success period.

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pleasure and all, but I'm getting aggravated and restless.
MoI is town, Chesskid is babbling, AGar is hard-headed, Vezok and Dekes are already on the wagon and the other two are scum.

does walt makes sense as a beloved princess?
I don't know, serious question.

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after checking
No he does not fit at all

Now lynch the buddying scums.

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...
that doesn't ressemble what I'm reading on Lostpedia <<

@Jenni: I can guarantee I won't take a bullet protecting you <<

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I know how you feel, except I don't have a hammer.
He's not even here =_=

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EBWOP: At the very least please hammer before you leave tonight, this stalling is incredibly frustrating

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You should leave soon

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Because I'm anxious to have Ademisk die and flip scum, and then get to shoot you and end the game because you are scum with him, resulting in me saying "I FREAKIN TOLD YOU SO" a third time.

Seems obvious enough.

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It's a mystery.
That means you don't need to know, btw.

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Oh, I've considered it Ademisk.
I'm not telling you though <<

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Fuck no Magna.
Jenni and Ademisk are scum together.
I will not risk getting my killed fucked up because you're willing to trust scum.

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MoI: She softclaimed it freakin day 1.
Scum would've killed ademisk already if that hogwash was true.

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btw MoI, I've NEVER seen a BP guard <_<

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Magna, use your fucking head.
If you think we shouldnt lynch ademisk and dekes flip town, we're in fucking LyLo tomorrow.

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=_=
If you don't want to lynch ademisk you think he is town.
If he is town and I shoot him, we will be in LyLo.

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I am, I'm saying you're being contradictory though <<

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Chess, if you're still there freakin hammer =_=

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Ok, so you're proposing to get vig yourself as atonement for your bad lynch? If there is ever proof of tunneling, this is it. You either shouldn't have said this, or you shouldn't have claimed. This looks pretty damn scummy.

It's called bullshiting scum a false sense of security, also I claimed so some fuckers would start using their brains and hammer your obvscum ass, but apparently this town is really thick.

Look, you've been pushing my lynch for no reason for 2 days. You started off with a bias against me and jenni, your only comment resembling a case against us was that we were crossconfirming each other, and everything else was your 'gut' where you made posts like "My vote is on you, which is on scum, which is therefore good" as reasons instead. On a couple of occasions you even tried to (incorrectly) use the show itself against me (which you admitted D1 you never watched).

The evidence brought in your defense from the show is just as awful and has been dismantled piece by piece by BC, thanks to him btw. You're scum because you've played as scum, claimed like scum, reacted like scum.

You only addressed jason slightly, with lyncher talk, and now you claim to be the cause of his death. I find that hard to accept. You NEVER address, quoted, or mentioned HH in any way, and you are now claiming you were correct with him flipping town. And now you want to lynch me based on your own lack of knowledge of roles, knowing that in the worst case scenario, we can lose tonight?

You're actually telling me I'm lying about shooting Jason?
Are you for real? I am non-counterclaimed, the only one left who could CC me is Dekes and he's the lyncher target, therefore obv-townie. You and Jenni both roleclaimed, me and BC both did too, MoI didnt CC, Vezok is lyncher. Unless AGar wants to CC this, I'm fuckin cleared.
I can't believe you're still going on about HH. Are you purposely being unreceptive? I said YOU + JENNI + JASON were scum. Therefore, HH was town in my view. How the fuck can you not understand?
Once again, we are not going to lose tonight.

If we lynch a town and jenni dies, then 2nd night phase begins and another dies, and vig misfires twice, thats 5 dead, do the math. You guys (dram and BC) better be really damn sure of what you are doing before you potentially cost us the game. I don't see any reason not to vote you other than recent developments, but then I also don't know if you really are as VI as you seem.

First off, we'll lynch you and you're scum, so no worries there. Second, since we are the vig, what matter of twisted thinking makes you think we'll shoot at 6p if we have no more dead scum?
Calling me a VI won't make you town either.

MoI and Chesskid, let's pretend for a second I am right.
Since me and BC control the vig, it won't end the game and at worst we'll be in LyLo.
If we lynch Dekes and he's town, it's the same thing.

What the fuck are you trying to avoid here?

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BP can be scum.

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Ademisk is scum and so are you, saying you're town doesn't really do anything.
And BC has dismantled your attempts at using show meta.

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He also set fire to rafts <<

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Also, Dram - get off my nuts as well.

Now I will <3

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aaaaaaaaaaaand
game over

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no no, the game is over, I know the setup and scum has won.
I'll let Reck announce it before I rage <3

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MoI, I never shot you <<

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no no, the game is over, I know the setup and scum has won.
I'll let Reck announce it before I rage <3

Thanks for almost getting me modkilled -.-

You wouldnt have gotten modkilled, I was talking with reck about it.

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Because our kill was apparently strongman.
Yes, that also implies your doc was a fraud.

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Well... he just felt really scummy in the QT so i look a chance =/

I said to shoot Vezok night 3 because if Dekes and vezok ended up being town and we shot anyone else the mafia could kill Dekes and end it before the morning...

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Chess, I have personally used BP as a scum role before. Additionally, had she lived an extra day town would've been even more fuck, so really?

Also, I didnt shoot BC <_<;

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And your point is?

I also shot the non-CCed doc with a town nurse behind him <<


No, it was AGar Dekes.

FWIW, I thought you were obv-town, even if your arguments in endgame were kinda lame

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also if I were going to fakeclaim why would I fake two guilties seriously huh?

dumbest argument ever

I know it's a hard position though.

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You also don't throw a vote down as town without something like a tracker guilty 5 minutes into lylo.

That's not general behaviour <_<;

got killed by the scum.
AGar jailkept me, that,s what you saw.
and since our kill was strongman (we didnt know), BC still had the happy satisfaction of shooting me down.

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no.
Me getting blocked makes it 100% for BC.
Don't ask

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Chess, I saw the setup.
It's over, scum won.

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It's really funny how absolutely nobody is congratulating scum for winning XD

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You dont need to have a particularely big amount of experience, as long as you know it's gonna be a crazy game
Also, sign-ups should be up later today, if Kinetic moves it a bit
There are no specific inning requirements, except not be a super newbie. you're good to in if you want.