Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[Looker]

Give me a random number from 1 - 5.

[Looker]

Your vote for me is two posts away; I'll take that as two. Of the five people currently voting, curiouskarmadog is the second.

vote: CKD

[Looker]

Vibe based on my interpretation or what he means by his posts. Not going to share more on that yet. It is still incredibly early so imma just leave that for now. Yep a bandwagon would help town so I'm not gonna go and try to derail it. On that not my sec is up so competing bandwagon attack. VOTE: Looker

Explain what you mean.

Also explain how you discerned CKD was town in the course of 17 minutes. Was it his denial of having a post restriction or Jack's emoticon that changed your mind?

VOTE: CKD Wagon nao people.

Can you tell us why you're looking for a post restriction?

@Espeonage: Hate to sound scummy, but what erges you to say that Jack is town. Isn't it a bit early to defend someone? And wouldn't a bandwagon help the town? You are however, correct in saying that not all power roles have post-restrictions and visa versa.

@Jack why do you want to know about post restrictions? It seems like it wouldn't effect you this early on.

I agree that not all power roles have restrictions, but my point is that it's highly unlikely for a vanilla to have a post restriction, as it just becomes a townie with a negative on it that affects the entire town. Generally if there's a restriction of some kind it's in the form of balancing their role more. Hence why I find it extremely disconcerting.

Do you have any links to games to show us you know what you're talking about?

vote: Prana

for not saying hi to me last game.

If Espeonage is concerned about the randomness of my vote, then let's un-randomize it. UNVOTE: VOTE: nero cain

[Looker]

The links aren't mandatory; they're for my memory.

[Looker]

OK. Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act. CKD is town because scum don't do what he did unless they are going to claim miller. I have a feeling I know what his role is.

My vote went on Looker because that is the biggest non CKD wagon. Simple.

I won't pretend that you're making any sense. As far as what CKD did, if he's going to claim, he should claim. I don't see the purpose of a cliff-hanger.

And Jack's smiley is null.

Unvote, Vote: Espeonage

None of your votes have had reasoning. Why?

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

unvote, vote:Demonhybrid

How so? And answer my question: Why are you looking for a post restriction?

Determining scum based on PR placement is outguessing the mod

What's your opinion of Jack's hunting for post restrictions?

Oh, I missed that there was a second page, but I don't feel like if affected my RV anyway.

Lazy. I think we should wait for CKD's claim before we lynch; what do you think?

vote: Prana

for not saying hi to me last game.

I think Jack has a post restriction. What do you think?

vote:pomegranate

for being too damn lazy to come up with a semi-humorous RV

UNVOTE: VOTE: a2rudeboy For bussing in his original post.

[Looker]

It didn't occur to you that you were obvious and that we were still in the RVS?

We don't know if scum had night talk pre-game so I'm considering that little spat null.

[Looker]

Posting as soon as possible; my computer's acting funky.

[Looker]

We don't know if scum had night talk pre-game so I'm considering that little spat null.

IIRC, doesn't scum ALWAYS have pregame talk?

Wouldn't know; it's been a while. Either way, it makes my point more valid. Regarding your question: I voted Nero Cain to have a genuine RVS on the board.

Vote Horrordude

, you pissed me off last game we were in.

Are you still in this game?

I find it funny how the name is the all important bit, while the actual ability can be easily thrown out there for the scum to see... surely as the ability is already known, then the actual name is pointless?

They're not claiming the role name because they're not claiming the entire role; so they're not claiming "all the ins and outs" - do you still have something to share?

if you knew you would understand....my neighbor and I are vig-like..not vigs....I dont need to tell you if we are two shot, unlimited shot, etc...i dont need to tell you any other part of the mechanic, which is in the name...so no, it is not pro-town...so back the fuck off....if you think i am scummy for not telling you..vote me or move on.

at this point, you are looking scummy for role fishing...keep in mind, i didnt have to tell you jack.

UNVOTE: VOTE: curiouskarmadog
Do you propose we lynch you or totallynotmafia?

What's your opinion on the probability of Zwet and Pom having the same role name as you and totallynotmafia?


Also,

didnt have to tell you

jack

.

I think we've found your post restriction.

[Looker]

If we don't lynch curiouskarmadog, SnakePlissken I want you to Watch one of the four claimed neighbor-vigs.

[Looker]

I don't know; it's hard to remember.

[Looker]

What's so bad about the game on your Facebook page?

[Looker]

What's so bad about the game on your Facebook page?

Whoa, hello.

Take that to PMs, chief.

[Looker]

Who are you, singer.

[Looker]

ITT hd makes a Freudian slip.

Where?

Your belief that CKD is town, is it based off information regarding Pomegranate?

I'm saying that they COULD be running a gambit and they COULD just be neighbours. But either way zwet is a better lynch infowise for the reasons I stated.

But you say it'd be stupid for him to claim if he wasn't running a gambit?

Also, I took your post to imply that you caught SnakePlissken's soft-claim.

So we have Esp, Looker, and SS for scum so far. One or two more and I'd say we have the entire team

Town, Town, 33% chance of being Town.

Regarding your inquiries:

• I minced my words: My first vote was based off of random numbers; my second was based off of random thought.
• There's no need to elaborate. I thought CKD had a post restriction. I was wrong.
• It's only scummy if you believe it. And I wasn't the only one to notice it. We should dictate his actions as a Town, and if he's still alive in the morning, we lynch him.

@ Demon, and who ever else feels so inclined to answer (the more the merrier, would like opinions and stances on this question)..also interested in seeing who blatantly ignores this post.

I already asked you the question earlier which one of you do you prefer we lynch, to which you replied with an OMGUS.

What's the rationale behind this post? I don't see the scum motivation for stifling your claim. Also, I didn't vote for no reason; one of you neighbors has to die. We can hash out the night action for the survivor once we decide.

Is singersigner the neighbor you want to lynch?

Sorry, this is my first game outside of Newbie on here. I'm still trying to get it.

Get what? How to breadcrumb properly?

Prodded. My account has been inactive up till now so that's the reason for my inactivity. Will reread and post my thoughts as soon as possible.

I'm holding you to that. UNVOTE: VOTE: Stef

[Looker]

And I know that I should be posting more but I've been kind of busy and all that stuff...

[Looker]

Also,
Zwet: RVS is over.

[Looker]

How can vollkan and curiouskarmadog both have "Best Mafia Performance"?

[Looker]

It doesn't matter what I do

You're being intentionally ambiguous to lead to irrelevant questioning. Stop trying to be deeper than you are.

You never answered my question about your alleged slip: What was it? You also didn't explain why CKD was likely town. None of your posts have been worth anything and yet you accuse

me

of active lurking. Get it together.

It doesn't matter what I do

Seriously only getting on to zwet now?

Do you think he's scum or just anti-town?

So we have Esp, Looker, and SS for scum so far. One or two more and I'd say we have the entire team

Town, Town, 33% chance of being Town.

I get you saying that you're town, that's natural. But to say that Esp is town? That's quite a stretch...

• It's only scummy if you believe it. And I wasn't the only one to notice it. We should dictate his actions as a Town,
  and if he's still alive in the morning, we lynch him.

You may not have been the only one to notice it, but you were the only one to mention it, which is scummy as hell. And WTF? at bolded. Setting up lynches in advance is extremely scummy.

• Why is it such a stretch? Because there's a lot of people voting him Day 1?
• If scum notice it, they kill him, it's over. If we notice it, at least we have a chance to protect him. Also, I understand your concern with the bolded; your logic is not lost on me - I hope mine isn't on you.

Can someone please explain this +1/2/3 etc. Thing?

It's how vollkan tallies his scumpoints.

V/LA till I get back in town (friday). Sorry.

We'll be waiting.

[Looker]

Also,

@Horror: If I were scum, I'd have killed him N1 and never mentioned the claim at all.

[Looker]

The slip that you found, Zwet.

[Looker]

You're town, by the way, so relax.

[Looker]

We need moar spam.

[Looker]

Cause Espy is scummy now.
SS didn't post so she is not scummy now. I will switch my vote if she posts something scummy.

What if she just stops posting?

• Can we get those reads from you?
  
• What changed your mind about Espeonage being scum?

Town Neighbor one-shot CPR Doctor

I'm inclined to think you are town now, since I don't think scum would know to put in "town" in their name (and in the right place). In any case, that's the exact title of my role, too, so I'll UNVOTE: curiouskarmadog.

Did you consider safe-claims?

And the spam things need more explanation too.

Spam is just unsolicited bullcrap. Like me talking about DemonHybrid's facebook page or vollkan and CKD's "Best Mafia Performance" titles.

hoping to update in the next 48

I don't really have much for you right now other than this post.
UNVOTE: VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[Looker]

I'm bored.

[Looker]

?

Are you trying to get me killed?

[Looker]

You

do

know how NKs work, right? Kill off the towniest player?

[Looker]

Which is not me, by the way; it's vollkan.

[Looker]

What about his post restriction?

[Looker]

What I'm thinking...

• It's plausible enough for me to call Espeonage town due to the way his wagon built up. It's not enough for me to confirm it, but at least enough for that to be my opinion.
  
• Horrordude, you're placing the likelihood of scum noticing the soft-claim dependent upon whether or not you noticed the soft-claim when the only way there'd be a correlation is if you're scum. It's also safe to say that I was in no danger of being lynched prior to me pointing out the soft-claim, which means I wouldn't have to sneak a message to anyone to do something that, if I were scum, I could've done myself. Also, if we protect him, scum will waste a kill. And yes, your logic very much makes sense.
  
• I called Zwet town to see if he would stop his attacks, in which case they would've been OMGUS as opposed to actual arguments. He stopped his attacks.
  
• I'm voting CKD for the reasons I previously voted him; I only voted Stef for pressure.
  
• Jack still hasn't explained his hunt for post restrictions.

[Looker]

O, that was an attack? Guess I lied then.

You feel like elaborating on that Freudian slip you found of Horrordude's yet?

[Looker]

Jack is still playing into horrordude's case

I'm sorry, Zwet, but you haven't made sense since you joined this game. Your line of thought is inconsistent, it's like you can't even remember what you yourself have said, i.e. HD's Freudian slip. You're also ambiguous, such as your "I don't buy the meta thing on vezok" post; and then you post one-liner sentiments that bear no relevance to the conversation. Come to think of it, you haven't tried to find scum all game. Unless you count your accusation that I was trying to get vollkan killed, you've had nothing but an RVS all game.

Wrong. I'm just saying that the likelyhood of ANYONE noticing it is extremely unlikely. I don't think anyone else had mentioned it or seen it before that.

Btw, if I could get everyone to comment on this, that'd be great! Did you notice the alleged soft-claim before Looker pointed it out?

Looker, you're placing the likelihood of him surviving the night on the fact that we
1) Have a doctor or something similar.
2) Have a doctor that would also assume that is a breadcrumb and would assume scum would see it as well.
3) Have a doctor that would be willing to waste a protection on Snake rather than on someone that they may see more pro-town or valuable for one reason or another.
4) Have a doctor that wouldn't try to WIFOM the scum out.

So basically what you'd be counting on would be that we have a doctor that would also assume that the fact Snake capitalized the letter W in watch in a meaningless post to be a breadcrumb and would assume scum would see it and assume the same as well, the doctor would be willing to waste a protection on Snake rather than on someone that they may see more pro-town or valuable for one reason or another, and wouldn't try to WIFOM the scum out. That seems pretty presumptious, don't you think?

I'm Pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but what's your read on Zwet now?

Espeonage's Post 65 is what made me point it out; I took his reaction as an incredulous acknowledgment of SnakePlissken's claim. It all comes down to a guessing game, which is better than giving scum an open Shot. And yes, Zwet is still town.

I skimmed, and i feel that CKD and Signer is town. Both players' posts and reactions does not feel as though it would be coming from scum. I also have several townreads in this game, but no solid scumreads from my skimming. will read closely soon.

unvote

by the way.

Is he still playing with us?

I have a game that has been very tense and has needed my undivided attention. It is night in that one now so i can catch up on my other games. Expect a post withing the day.

Do you still believe Zwet is the scum neighbor?

No. no.
Oh. I mean I don't give reads on all the players day 1.
I give reads on some players.
No. English is not my first language.

• Why would town need a mutual agreement of towniness?
  
• That'd be an interesting theory, if I were Doc and trying to draw all NKs to SnakePlissken so that I could protect him and HorrorDude was scum speculating setup to see if I was Doc so that he could NK me.

Right. Back in town and I will reread and post soon.

Riiight...

Which is not me, by the way; it's vollkan.

lol, are you trying to get

him

killed?

Not necessarily.

I am not sure what post you are talking (“this post”)about 208 or 209. I assume you are talking about my vote on you. Yes you did vote for no reason. In your view, why does one of the neighbors “have to die” and why does it have to be the any particular pair?

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Where is the reason in that post/vote….there isn’t…so don’t act there was with this post.

And you are asking me if SS is the neighbor I want to lynch…at the time of this post, where the fuck was my vote?

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how many people are in your mafia?

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why the vote? I assume because you thought I was lurking?..did you check any of my other current games to see if that was true?

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I didnt see the reasons the first time, please give me some bullets points.

• Because I don't like thinking about this and running the risk of you running a gambit. And the decision's not mine, it's yours.
  
• Don't know, didn't care. I can't wrap my head around the mystery of your claim, so I'm going to kill it.
  
• That's a waste of a question. Wasn't the initial inquiry how many were in your neighborhood?
  
• I didn't vote you for lurking; if I wanted to vote a lurker I'd have voted Pomegranate, NicolBolas, Nero Cain, etc.
  
• "Bullets points" won't help you.

[Looker]

Actually, now that I think of it, I'm being contradictory. If it was up to you, I'd be voting singersigner, so I guess it's not your decision after all.

[Looker]

[irrelevant spam post]

Check mate.

[Looker]

• If what you're saying is true, then I guess I was the only one to see it.
  
• I didn't say it was true; I just said it'd be an interesting theory. And are you referring to the Zwet read?
  
• I don't know vollkan's alignment.
  
• I'm not scum but that won't stop Zwet from saying that I am; he has nothing else to do.
  
• Espeonage and his entire wagon has disappeared.

[Looker]

It's ridiculous how much I'm convinced that looker is scum

Why is that.

It's ridiculous how much I'm convinced that looker is scum

It's ridiculous how little you've actually contributed in this game and how many reads you've given without reasons.

PranaDevil noticed the crumb as well. I guess I wasn't the only one.

@Looker: Yes

Someone ask me something simple about the game please.

Why would CKD feel the need to claim when none of the other neighbors did? Wouldn't his role mechanic show up upon death?

@ Looker, I ask for your case against me and all i get is this?...please explain your vote.

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Also you didnt really answer my question, why did you vote me between your posts...the only thing I did in the stretch of time, was post that I would post in 48 hours or so...so what changed? you also didnt answer my question why does a neighbor "have to die"? And if a neighbor does have to die, why did you not consider the other pair of neighbors?

• I switched my vote back to you because pressuring Stef didn't work.
  
• A neighbor has to die because one of you is scum.
  
• I
  am
  considering the other pair of neighbors. Very good.

[Looker]

Has anybody seen Pomegranate?

[Looker]

Why is everyone so snippy all of a sudden?

• CKD, I agree with you that there is scum in your neighborhood; I just don't think it's singersigner. I don't understand why you went about your claim the way you did.
  
• Zwet, it's impossible to do "nothing but mainly" anything.
  
• Espy, they both could have flown under the radar.
  
• Pom, why were you opposed to claiming?
  
• HorrorDude, it's not a matter of "how", it's a matter of "if". Espeonage's reaction was ambiguous enough to be taken multiple ways. Also, I wouldn't be so sure about me being scum.

_ _________________ :shifty:____________

[Looker]

If I gave you the promise of an interesting claim, would you keep me alive Day 2?

[Looker]

By stating that that's what I thought it was, I'm refuting that it was a huge stretch. This entire conversation's been a disagreement.

And the second part wasn't for me, it was how I perceived CKD's claim.

[Looker]

Unless, of course, you thought I was calling myself an idiot.

[Looker]

Well of course he wouldn't say that, but that's what it reads like to me. I mean, why would any alignment other than town claim? In order to believe his claim, we have to take his towniness as a given. But what if he's

not

town?

Gah, please forgive my enthusiasm; my girlfriend's coming over.

[Looker]

He has a point.

[Looker]

• @Pom; both.
  
• @Horror; My argument isn't moot; your debate is invalid. The mere fact that it could've been interpreted the way I interpreted it proves my point. You've already acquiesced to this claim.

[Looker]

But, of course, you're entitled to the freedom to beat this dead horse.

[Looker]

If CKD were to be NKd the way he claimed, wouldn't his role be shown upon death?

[Looker]

Did you ever answer Pom's question?

I'm getting terrible vibes from SS. I think that CKD revealed an okay amount, and we were fine without knowing it was a 1-shot. That's not so bad though.

The way CKD summarized the QT doesn't put SS in a positive light-

SS, do you agree with the way CKD explained the conversation in your QT?

Still, we should lynch Espy now.

[Looker]

Looker has done nothing but mainly active lurk disguised as solid scumhunting

Zwet, you've done nothing. I like that you said it's disguised as

"solid"

scumhunting, though.

Okay, so Looker's argument is moot. Lynch plz

I think you misunderstood my argument. Also, regarding the doctor part of your 385: I stated that making a guessing game out of SnakePlissken's protection was better than giving scum a straight shot; however, if you're trying to paint me out to be the Doctor by calling me presumptuous, then you're no step above what you accused me of.

@ HD: Not until you pointed it out. I can see it now without having to go back and actually see when the softclaim was outed.

So, for the record, to what was your post responding?

I'm here.
Sorry internet screwed up.

What do you think about the lurkers in this thread? Would you mind naming them?

@CKD, why the vote, I know what you claimed if that is what you are asking. You claimed that you are a neighbored to some one. And one of the two is scum. Together you two are a 1-shot vig, am I correct? Would you stop refusing to answer my question, I know you have already given the answer and I have looked it up, I want you to say it again.

Are you expecting him to say it differently? Also, are you still voting Espeonage due to his affiliation with Jack?

Now you've said that it pointed out the RVS I can perhaps accept it could be seen that way (I still noticed the Watch bit first, but whatever, it was a terribly poor bread crumb as it was less hidden carefully and more dropped in like a bowling ball on your foot).

And it was to this poorness that I thought Espeonage's post was responding.

The role names have me mixed up. I could understand a safeclaim given to curiouskarmadog and zwetschenwasser, but the mechanics of everything are still eluding me. I definitely believe they'd have been given a fakeclaim, though. Is there anyway you could elaborate more on your roles?

also, I am not refusing you answer your question....keep playing along, and your "question" will be answered.

Are you voting him because he's stupid? What happened to your vote on SS? It really does look like you're voting him for being lazy. Also, why would he have to pretend to scumhunt when he could sit on his wagon all day without any scrutiny whatsoever?

[Looker]

We should probably get to lynching someone about now.

[Looker]

Espeonage

(6) - a2rudeboy; CooLDoG; DemonHybrid; Pomegranate; vollkan; PranaDevil

CooLDoG

(1) - curiouskarmadog

Zwetschenwasser

(1) - Espeonage

Looker

(2) - horrordude0215; zwetschenwasser

Nero Cain

(1) - Jack

Jack

(1) - Nero Cain

Curiouskarmadog

(1) - Looker

Vezokpiraka

(2) - SnakePlissken; Singersigner

Horrordude0215

(2) - Stef; vezokpiraka

[Looker]

If I come up as VT you seriously need to be tomorrow's lynch.

Now's not the time to be speculating as to what

your

flip will be. Shouldn't you know?

Yes I do. I told you I'm VT. So here's the scenerio; I get lynched and come up VT. Who do you go after?

Wrong; we're not lynching you today, we're lynching Stef.

the emote came off a little too evil looking for my tastes. Befor I go,

@vez, why plz...

You keep mentioning that you have to go; do you not think we believe you? I don't, of course, because I'm smart, but you can still convince the others.

We seriously need a vote count.

And BTW hopefully by tomorrow I'll have a definitive read on Looker

Hopefully you'll have a definitive case as well.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Stef
Everyone should switch at this time. It shouldn't be hard for you; you had no problem switching to Nero Cain.

[Looker]

Also, in case you need it,

Nero Cain

(7) - DemonHybrid; horrordude0215; Jack; Pomegranate; SnakePlissken; singersigner; vollkan

Espeonage

(4) - a2rudeboy; CooLDoG; Nero Cain; PranaDevil

CooLDoG

(2) - curiouskarmadog; vezokpiraka

Zwetschenwasser

(1) - Espeonage

Stef

(1) - Looker

HorrorDude0215

(1) - Stef

Looker

(1) - Zwetschenwasser

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

[Looker]

"...Deadline's approximately 34 hours away..."

[Looker]

My vote still stands.

[Looker]

Back up.

Votecount?

[Looker]

CoolDog is scum. Lynch please.

Mod: Prod Looker?

He's still alive but hasn't posted since the 10th...

Back up.

Votecount?

[Looker]

@ looker, who is scum, you were pretty hot to trot to lynch a neighbor yesterday....well one pair killed scum, and one part of another (mine to be exact) is dead and flipped town....sooooo, I am a little surprised you are not barking up my tree today...

some content would be great from you.

Votecount

[Looker]

STFU

Votecount

[Looker]

Don't care; don't give a fuck; not in a hurry. We banked 3 extra days plus the standard deadline so whatev.

[Looker]

Nobody said waste; place your vote and help yourself; it doesn't take that long to make a decision.

[Looker]

If you want, you can keep wasting your time with the back and forth or you can vote and lynch me, it's whatev. I'm still waiting for the Mod/Back-up Mod/whoev to get back with a votecount.

[Looker]

CDCs taking up most of my time; the votecount is MUCH appreciated, though, Seraphim. Thanks.

[Looker]

Yeah,

V/LA until further notice

Outtie.

[Looker]

Uhhh...yeah, I've posted more than both of you so shut up and chill while I study for my test. And massive hole? Really? Get serious. A

3-4 day

absence is nothing. Stop crying (or being opportunistic, your choice).