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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:11 am

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quadz08 (2): ZeroFang, Tasky
tvellalot (1): drmyshottyizsik

Not voting (7): Mokujin_, quadz08, Wisteria, WingsOWisdom, tvellalott, don_johnson, Nexus

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Tasky wrote:"I would guess town on statistics alone, which of course means absolutely nothing"
Everyone has a 7/10 chance of being town, so if you have to guess, you're better off guessing they're town for the sake of statistics. Of course, if we applied those to everyone than everyone would be town, and that certainly isn't the case. In other words, it means nothing. My best guess at your alignment comes from statistics.

As soon as people start posting more opinions and cases, I'll be able to scumhunt better and probably have more definite reads on people, but until then we'll have to work with the cards we're dealt. If a couple people stepped up and made some cases, I believe we'd have more global activity.
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:00 pm

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Hey, just letting everyone know that I'm officially declaring V/LA until this weekend. Attack of the homeworks. :/ Sorry!
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:09 pm

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Tasky wrote:hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz
so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:12 pm

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1. quadz08
2. Mokujin_
3. WingsOWisdom
4. don_johnson
5. drmyshottyizsik
6. ZeroFang
7. Nexus
8. Tasky
9. Wisteria
10. tvellalott

ok. here's the math.

lovers claim: 10 players

if we lynch the lover pair with scum, scum nk's the other pair, tomorrow is:

2 scum, 4 town. mylo

if we lynch the wrong pair:

3 scum, 4 town. lylo with guaranteed scum lynch. we lynch the treacherous lover:

2 scum, 2 town. game?

that about right? hm... lovers should probably only claim if necessary.
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quadz08 wrote:I'm gonna kickstart the game a bit, and toss in some RQS.

1. Lynch all lurkers?
2. Lynch all liars?
3. RQS or RVS and why?
4. Favorite previous game?
1. Pressure? Yes. Policy lynch? No.
2. Same
3. Never played with RQS before.
4. The resume's thin (appears to be a common trend), but I liked Mini 932
didn't see this first time around. for a "thin resume" i sure have seen you around alot.

shotty looks bad.

i can see why batt got flailed.

tvell is useless and scummy.

vote:tvell


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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:08 am

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WingsOWisdom failed to pick up a prod. I will start looking for a replacement in 24 hours if there's still no response in that time
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:48 am

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drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz
so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
probably.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:17 pm

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This game was a very interesting read. The problem is how to read the people in it.

tvellalott: Your new avatar makes me confuse you with Nikanor.
Mokujin_ wrote:Stop. Shotty is an idiot. You have to understand this. Or you'll mislynch.
Question: Why this particular wording?
Mokujin_ wrote:Deliberate rolefishing?
Question: How was andrew94 rolefishing with his list? He was asked to provide it, and he delivered.
tvellalott wrote:I just reread and I can't work out why anyone picks andrew94 for scum.
Nothing he's done comes close to being a scumtell.
This seems to be a blatant opportunistic bandwagon of the most colorful player in the game.
Colorful =/= Scum
Having said that, I'm going to VOTE: Zed for starting the bandwagon.
Question: Do you think that players who start bandwagons like the one on andrew94 are more likely to be scum or town?
Nexus wrote:One of Andrew and Zed has to be lying, because, obviously, we can't have two doctors. I'm not entirely convinced that Andrew's a doctor, because if he is, he's playing very badly.

Zed I'm torn on, though.

So yeah, I'm currently trying to figure things out. But those two are my main focus.
Way to say absolutely nothing.
tvellalott wrote:I suppose. How about pressuring someone who hasn't been pressured, or reiterating why your vote is on me, except that I said you had a freaky head.
Way to misrepresent the case Tasky had on you and brush it off at the same time. Do not deflect. Tasky had a perfectly reasonable case against you, one that I will be endorsing in a few lines.

To sum up:

I need to reread the thread to get a read on a few other people. For right now, we need to lynch tvellalott.

VOTE: tvellalott

Instead of addressing the case already presented against him, tvellalott has chosen not only to brush it off but also remain silent. Post 343 is survivalist. With the doctor dead, there are no other roles that require self-preservation. This includes the two lover pairs; after all, we have a treacherous lover out there.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:21 pm

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Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz
so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
probably.

???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:21 pm

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Sorry for disappearing. Catch-up/re-read tomorrow evening, and I should be more active after that.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:40 pm

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drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz
so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
probably.

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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:02 pm

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I'm busy as at the moment. I'll make up for my apparently uselessness with a decent post in about 18 hours.
I've got a lot to say but no time to do it right now, so please don't lynch me until I get a proper chance to defend myself and analysis the situation.

If you're unsatified with what I have to say, feel free to lynch me then.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:10 am

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Wisteria wrote:With the doctor dead, there are no other roles that require self-preservation.
Stop rolefishing. Both scum and PRs (even lovers) tend to go for self-preservation. It helps their side win.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:10 am

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EBWOP: And I don't think he's being that survivalist.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:16 am

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I am not rolefishing. I am stating a fact. Yes, the lover pairs need to self-preserve to an extent, but they mostly do so to prevent getting killed by scum. In any other capacity, they will have to act as a regular townie because there is a 50% chance that their lover is scum.

Your accusation would hold water in a closed setup. This is not. Are you telling your buddies to stay quiet?

What is not survivalist about 343? tvellalott had admitted to staying quiet because he was attacked for whatever he said. By extension, he is afraid of getting lynched. Town hunt scum. They do not need to survive.
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:19 am

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yaawn. this game is boring...
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:20 am

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Tasky wrote:yaawn. this game is boring...
Why not do something about it?
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:39 am

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Wisteria wrote:
Tasky wrote:yaawn. this game is boring...
Why not do something about it?
laziness.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:22 pm

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Wisteria wrote:I am not rolefishing. I am stating a fact. Yes, the lover pairs need to self-preserve to an extent, but they mostly do so to prevent getting killed by scum. In any other capacity, they will have to act as a regular townie because there is a 50% chance that their lover is scum.
Except for the fact that they make up two confirmed townies who know each other's identity with two independent votes, and so they're just as valuable to the town as PRs are.
Wisteria wrote:Your accusation would hold water in a closed setup. This is not. Are you telling your buddies to stay quiet?
What accusation?

What is not survivalist about 343? tvellalott had admitted to staying quiet because he was attacked for whatever he said. By extension, he is afraid of getting lynched.

Town hunt scum. They do not need to survive.
Not true at all. Getting lynched is one of the most anti-town things a VT can do. Getting NKed as VT is almost an accomplishment, because it means the scum felt you were enough of a threat to warrant killing. Getting lynched, on the other hand, is just terrible play.

343 was scummy for an entirely different reason. He's refusing to hunt for scum until someone makes some big slip, which he'll promptly jump on. That's scummy. Trying not to get lynched is on pretty much everyone's agenda.
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:24 pm

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Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:hmmm... I really can't get a good read on this game.

for now I'll follow ZeroFang's case:
UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz
so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
probably.

???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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either you are dumb or you just admitted to being oppertunistic scum
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:24 pm

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ZeroFang wrote:
Wisteria wrote:I am not rolefishing. I am stating a fact. Yes, the lover pairs need to self-preserve to an extent, but they mostly do so to prevent getting killed by scum. In any other capacity, they will have to act as a regular townie because there is a 50% chance that their lover is scum.
Except for the fact that they make up two
confirmed townies who know each other's identity
with two independent votes, and so they're just as valuable to the town as PRs are.
The bolded portion is incorrect. Look at the setup. The town lovers cannot confirm their partner's alignments until the treacherous lover is dead. Until that occurs, they are townies hunting for scum like the rest of us. Their fate just happens to be tied to another player's.
ZeroFang wrote:What accusation?
Did you not just accuse me of rolefishing in 361?
ZeroFang wrote:Trying not to get lynched is on pretty much everyone's agenda.
Yes. However, there is definitely more than one way to go about this. tvellalott took one of the scummier ways.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:06 pm

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unvote
vote tasky
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:55 pm

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I'm with shotty on this one. VOTE: Tasky

Are you serious? You're just gonna switch to whoever's got the largest wagon? Super-town play, there.

Tvell, you're second. Lurking isn't doing town any favors.

Zero: I agree that getting lynched as a VT is bad for town. However, survivalism is worse. It prevents us from getting information. And as Wisteria pointed out, lovers have no need to be survivalist until the treacherous lover is killed. It's actually pretty terrible play to do so, in my opinion.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:33 pm

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drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Tasky wrote:
drmyshottyizsik wrote: so if i vote for some one and it gets more votes than this wagon will you switch again?
probably.

???????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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either you are dumb or you just admitted to being oppertunistic scum
yeeeeee. quote pyramid for the win.
I am not scum. I am not dumb. I am just lazy and nothing is happening in this game.
WHY DID I JUST ADMIT BEING OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM?

ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S THIS GUY BEING OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM HERE:
quadz08 wrote:I'm with shotty on this one. VOTE: Tasky

Are you serious? You're just gonna switch to whoever's got the largest wagon? Super-town play, there.
yeah. I wanna build wagons. that's cool.
and it does catch scum. maybe.

as soon as I get motivated again, I'll do something serious. for now I don't feel like it.
BUT, my vote on you sit's just fine for now
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:12 am

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@tasky- you are playing dumb like that I promise. I will keep my vote for a bit, but
@quadz- you also seem very oppertunistic here, I mean really the irony here is atounding
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:23 am

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methinks we have some lurking scum in this game. i agree with the quadz=oppurtunistic. i don't see much on tasky that doesn't apply to everyone else.
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