Open 254 ~ Trust Issues (FvEvE) Game Ends
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Roll Call VI
Uite -2- kunkstar7, Nexus
kunkstar7 -1- quadz08
singersigner -2- Antihero, Lowell
quadz08 -1- singersigner
Lowell -2- a2rudeboy, Zed
Pomegranate -1- springlullaby
a2rudeboy -1- Sevei
Zed -1- Pomegranate
Nonvoters -1- Uite
12 in class, 7 expels
Pomegranate is V/LA until Saturday night.
Nexus is V/LA until Monday
Please tell me if this is off.
Deadline is in two weeks, the 6th of October, at 7:00pm EST. Deadline hitting now means Uite gets kicked out
Warning! 6 days remain!Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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Modnote: Consider your role pms with the following line attatched to your wincon:
"...and at least one person remains in your team alive."Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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Intimidating prod sent to Antihero.
You got 6 days left. Use them wisely.Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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Prodding the following
singersigner
springlullaby
This is spring's final prod.Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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singersigner I Got This
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quadz08 Jack of All Trades
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Ok, I'm back. The homework monster has been subdued, at least temporarily.
Right now, the scummiest player seems to be Zed. The singer/Equinox(now Uite) thing is mostly a null-tell, as others have said. (On that note, HI UITE!!!)
Zed, your ISO #6 is... a stretch, at best, and overall you're presenting your hunch as much more than just a hunch. You most definitely are grasping at straws with that case, and then you deny that you're doing so. I don't discredit thepossibility, but right now, there's almost no point in bringing it up at all. Speculating about scumbuddies on D1? Come on, now. It just seems like an attempt to produce content, while not using any actual evidence.
VOTE: ZedCurrent Avatar: Kronk. Duh.-
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lol, an attempt to produce content?
Maybe I should have been more clear about which half was the stupid half. The stupid half was adding Antihero into it because while I was slightly suspicious of him at the time, I don't think they're scum buddies.
My serious half was on Lowell. I still say his reasons for FoSing me are bad. I've seen scum FoS someone early on with those kinds of reasons more than innocents. Its an easy way out to look like content is being supplied, and that you have actual suspicions, but really there is nothing to go on.hi. I am a girl. no more confusion necessary.-
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Uite Mafia Scum
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All right! Based on my read through, I have a few following questions/comments. Some of the questions have already been asked by other players, but I really want to see them answered.
a2rudeboy:Not really much to say, though you could be more active. You say you're in eight games, and on V/LA. How long will your V/LA last, and why are you in so many games if you don't have the time to play?
Antihero:WTF is up with posts #43 and #45? You've kept your vote on singer ever since, but what actually makes you think she is scum? Why were you defending Equinox? Why did you wait so long to question Lowell here?
kunkstar7:You seem to have a very strong scumread on Zed, so why aren't you voting her?
Lowell:You say you're voting singer because of gut. You've also called Zed outright scum here. Why is it more important for you to vote someone you have only a gut read on, instead of someone you have a definite case on? Combined with your RVS vote, it looks like awkwardly executed distancing to me.
Nexus:You say you wanted to vote for Equinox because she had the most amount of votes, but you accidentally voted Nobody Special instead. Both were at two when you first voted,
Pomegranate:You haven't contributed much, in addition to being V/LA a lot of the time. You must have more to share, so why don't you?
quadz08:Why were you so eager to go after Equinox for rolefishing? How is it rolefishing in a game without special roles? Why is the singer/Equinox thing mostly a null-tell, when you attacked her over basically the same thing?
Sevei:What's with all the votehopping? Seriously, six out of your nine posts contain a change of vote, and you've voted for practically half the playerlist so far.
singersigner:I get the feeling your discussion with Equinox was pretty much unjustified. The same with your accusation of Antihero misrepping you with the order of his quotes. Many of your other posts are useless fluff. Since your actual helpful contributions are extremely minimal, I'm going to accuse you of active lurking. You're oddly protective of Equinox here, why is that? Two votes out of seven required to lynch isn't that many.
springlullaby:You've only made one decent post so far. Why is that? Also, why are you voting for Pomegranate without a reason given, while you're simultaneously FoSing two other players?
Zed:Why did you wait so long to vote Lowell? So said you kept forgetting, but I don't think that's something you miss so easily, so why do you think you forgot repeatedly?
Mod:I know I'm barely dodging a prod myself as it is, but a2rudeboy, Lowell and Sevei are up for one.
I'm not sure who to vote just yet, there are several good candidates in my opinion. I think I'll wait for the answers to my questions first.
A general note, the way singer and antihero edited their responses into the other's quotes makes it hard to read, and is kinda confusing. Don't do that. This goes for everyone, by the way.
To our absent players, I'd like to say the following: if you can't keep up with the game, please replace out. Your non-contributions are hurting the game. To any of you who are simply lurking: post more![ɜytə] — Ceterum censeo spumam delendam esse
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Sevei Goon
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First: I'm sorry I've been away. Had some computer issues, but they are fixed now.
Each person I have voted for had done something I think is scummy. A vote tends to get people's attention when they are asked something, so when I questioned them, I also voted, partly to gauge reactions.Uite wrote:Sevei:What's with all the votehopping? Seriously, six out of your nine posts contain a change of vote, and you've voted for practically half the playerlist so far.
I'm sticking with my vote a2rudeboy because his reaction was to appease.
I've asked this already. I'm also waiting for an answer.Uite wrote:springlullaby:You've only made one decent post so far. Why is that? Also, why are you voting for Pomegranate without a reason given, while you're simultaneously FoSing two other players?"I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself. I take the words...I scatter them, in time and space. A message, to lead myself here."-
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In response to Uite:
Why were you so eager to go after Equinox for rolefishing? See second question
How is it rolefishing in a game without special roles? ... That's actually a really good question. I hadn't thought about it that way.
Why is the singer/Equinox thing mostly a null-tell, when you attacked her over basically the same thing? The argument in itself was a null-tell for both of them, was what I was attempting to say.
Zed:
Wait, let me get this straight:Zed, ISO #6 wrote:Now I'll share my hunch. Lowell and Antihero are scum buddies.
You said they were scumbuddies, and now you're saying that saying one of them was the stupid half, and the other was the serious half? That doesn't even make sense. You attempted to make a specific case connecting them as scumbuddies.Zed, ISO #16 wrote:The stupid half was adding Antihero into it because while I was slightly suspicious of him at the time, I don't think they're scum buddies.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.-
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singersigner I Got This
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Uite...I originally thought there were three votes on him, and since it was RVS, I didn't need to put a forth. That statement alone was made to say that if I felt comfortable putting a random vote on someone with that many votes at the time, it would've been him, for the random reason of her not answering her own questions. I don't know why we're still on it. I didn't make a big deal out of Equinox not answering her own questions until she got *I felt* unreasonably defensive over it.
V/LA through Sunday night.
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Antihero al;kdjfal;kj
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What do you want to know about them?Uite wrote:Antihero:WTF is up with posts #43 and #45?
The push on equinox, the subsequent backtracking, and the misrep she called me out on that doesn't exist.Uite wrote:You've kept your vote on singer ever since, but what actually makes you think she is scum?
Because the attacks didn't have much merit, and screamedUite wrote:Why were you defending Equinox?red herring!
I thought Pom's reation to his post would elicit a response, but since about a page and a half went by after that post, I wanted to make sure it wasn't missed.Uite wrote:Why did you wait so long to question Lowell here?
Sorry about that. It's a bad habit I need to break.Uite wrote:A general note, the way singer and antihero edited their responses into the other's quotes makes it hard to read, and is kinda confusing. Don't do that. This goes for everyone, by the way.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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Fair enough, but I also think that if you're really going for the pressure angle, your vote needs to stick a bit more, or people will not pay that much attention to a vote coming from you.Sevei wrote:Each person I have voted for had done something I think is scummy. A vote tends to get people's attention when they are asked something, so when I questioned them, I also voted, partly to gauge reactions.
I know you asked, look at the top of my post. I just think getting an answer is important enough to ask again.Sevei wrote:I've asked this already. I'm also waiting for an answer.
Those aren't answers. Why were you so eager to go after Equinox? Why didn't you stop to think about what rolefishing actually is before you did so?quadz08 wrote:Why were you so eager to go after Equinox for rolefishing? See second question
How is it rolefishing in a game without special roles? ... That's actually a really good question. I hadn't thought about it that way.
Disregarding your miscount, why do you feel four votes is too much for RVS?singersigner wrote:Uite...I originally thought there were three votes on him, and since it was RVS, I didn't need to put a forth. That statement alone was made to say that if I felt comfortable putting a random vote on someone with that many votes at the time, it would've been him, for the random reason of her not answering her own questions.
Do you think her defensiveness was in line with your agression? Why/why not?singersigner wrote:I didn't make a big deal out of Equinox not answering her own questions until she got *I felt* unreasonably defensive over it.
I want to know why you posted it like you did, and what exactly you were trying to say. You kinda explained #45, but #43 is still a bit of a mystery to me.Antihero wrote:What do you want to know about them?
Makes sense, but even then you didn't give him that much time to respond. Still, that reminds me that he hasn't actually answered your question.Antihero wrote:I thought Pom's reation to his post would elicit a response, but since about a page and a half went by after that post, I wanted to make sure it wasn't missed.
@Lowell:What were your reasons for proclaiming Equinox town and singer scum? Why didn't you explain when asked of you?[ɜytə] — Ceterum censeo spumam delendam esse
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Zed Goon
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Uite- Most of my posts come from my phone. That morning I made my first post (113) while on the bus to the way to school. My next post (123) was after school. I voted Lowell in post 131, after homework and dinner and all the other things I have to do during the day. I must have been busy that day and didn't remember until I could give the game my almost full attention.
quadz- Yeah, my original hunch had them together. Then later I changed things and I didn't think of them that way anymore. I thought some of my other posts made that clear, but I guess not.
and can someone tell me what ISO stands for? I feel silly.hi. I am a girl. no more confusion necessary.-
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Uite Mafia Scum
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Ugh. The perils of mobile posting. Why didn't you explain this when you finally did make the vote?Zed wrote:Uite- Most of my posts come from my phone. That morning I made my first post (113) while on the bus to the way to school. My next post (123) was after school. I voted Lowell in post 131, after homework and dinner and all the other things I have to do during the day. I must have been busy that day and didn't remember until I could give the game my almost full attention.
ISO can be both a verb and a noun and it refers to reading someone's post in isolation. If you haven't noticed it yet, there's an option to display all posts by user at the bottom of the page. Using this you can look at a single player's posts throughout the thread. This tool is your friend. It helps you get reads and make cases, among other things, both as town and as scum. Use it well.Zed wrote:and can someone tell me what ISO stands for? I feel silly.[ɜytə] — Ceterum censeo spumam delendam esse
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Well, I mentioned I kept forgetting. I thought that was enough. I remember remebering during the day, but not being able to post because I was in classes.
Ooooh. No I didn't see that! Thanks! I've been scrolling through all the posts and trying to guess whats on what pagehi. I am a girl. no more confusion necessary.-
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Uite Mafia Scum
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I like it when people explain their actions, because it prevents, in retrospect, pointless inquiries like these. It's also transparent play to explain yourself, and transparency is pro-town.Zed wrote:Well, I mentioned I kept forgetting. I thought that was enough. I remember remebering during the day, but not being able to post because I was in classes.[ɜytə] — Ceterum censeo spumam delendam esse
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Prod check is incoming. Stand by...
a2rudeboy
kunkstar7
Lowell
are all getting prods.Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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Roll Call VII
Uite -2- kunkstar7, Nexus
singersigner -2- Antihero, Lowell
quadz08 -1- singersigner
Lowell -2- a2rudeboy, Zed
Pomegranate -1- springlullaby
a2rudeboy -1- Sevei
Zed -1- Pomegranate, quadz08
Nonvoters -1- Uite
12 in class, 7 expels
Pomegranate's V/LA ended. Prodding her in the morning if she doesn't respond. This will not count against her prodcount.
Nexus is V/LA until Monday
singersigner is V/LA until Sunday
Please tell me if this is off.
Deadline is the 6th of October, at 7:00pm EST. Deadline hitting now means Uite gets kicked out
Warning! 4 days remain!Show"I can't kill my own best friend, especially when I can't do shit at all!" - Tragedy
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Sevei Goon
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Ok...we're running out of time, so we need to pick up the pace. I like my vote on a2rudeboy right now because I think his text is loaded with appeasement, which is scummy. We won't have a no-lynch situation no matter what, which is good, but I don't like someone getting kicked out because of two freaking votes. Too many lurkers."I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself. I take the words...I scatter them, in time and space. A message, to lead myself here."-
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@Sevei:I was just about to post the same thing.
Lynching on plurality is bad, especially if it's only two votes. It gives us hardly any information on the flip, and is thus playing right into the scum's hands. Fellow townies, we need to consolidate our votes! I wanted to wait until after more people had responded to my questions, so I'd have more to go on, but since we're running out of time, I'm going to
VOTE: quadz08
His response was just terrible, and avoidant behaviour like that is plain scummy. I'd suggest people vote likewise, or if they believe quadz is town, make a case and convince people to vote for their top suspect. I want to emphasise that this does not excuse anyone from answering my questions, as I may change my vote if a better target arises.
To everyone who's not posting: play the damn game, or GTFO![ɜytə] — Ceterum censeo spumam delendam esse
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