Sup.
I'm trying to decide between Zed and quadz.
Will get back to you on that one.
I was eager to go after Equinox because in my head (due to my non-existent experience with open setups) her question could've been fishing for roles. I didn't think about the implications of a question like that in an open game versus in a closed game, because it didn't occur to me that thereUite wrote:Those aren't answers. Why were you so eager to go after Equinox? Why didn't you stop to think about what rolefishing actually is before you did so?
Blatant AtE. Scummy.Zed wrote:So if you lynch me, and when CSL tells you I'm town, you'll know who to go for.
Self-preserving behaviour like that is really scummy. Why didn't you try putting together a convincing case, instead of voting the player with the most votes?Zed wrote:On a scale of one to ten where everyonw starts at a 5, quadz is about a 7.5. My vote is mostly to try to save myself, because I feel that if a player is innocent they should do whatever they can to stay in the game, most of the time at least.
But you do know that in open setups all the roles are known right? And that that's why they're called Open? Considering the setup is crucial in a game like this, I find it very hard to believe you weren't aware of it. Also your "non-existent experience" is a blatant lie, since you're also in another ongoing open game, and that's been going on longer than this one.quadz08 wrote:I was eager to go after Equinox because in my head (due to my non-existent experience with open setups) her question could've been fishing for roles. I didn't think about the implications of a question like that in an open game versus in a closed game, because it didn't occur to me that there could be a difference.
I was expecting to see more of a response from Lowell to the questions and concerns of Zed. When i initially read: "I can't tell yet whether this is OMGUS scum reaction or OMGUS newbie town reaction, but I'll figure it out." from Lowell, I took that to be sort of dismissing of any case she had as merely OMGUS. My reads have progressed a bit in the sense that Zed had continued to ask questions which were left unresponded to, and Lowell's most recent voting of Zed felt like, even though stated for consensus, it could have had more reasoning behind it, given the two players' previous engagements.kunkstar7 wrote:
What do you expect Lowell to respond with? What of Lowell's posts of Zed's scumminess? In what form did Lowell discredit zed with "oh there's no substance here..."? Have you developed your read on Lowell any further beyond this initial psot which as you yourself stated was your first
Yes, I am aware of the setup and the fact that all roles are known. I simply did not think to consider it, because I've never had to before.Uite wrote:But you do know that in open setups all the roles are known right? And that that's why they're called Open? Considering the setup is crucial in a game like this, I find it very hard to believe you weren't aware of it. Also your "non-existent experience" is a blatant lie, since you're also in another ongoing open game, and that's been going on longer than this one.
So what's your position on this issue right now?Nexus wrote:*returns*
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I'm trying to decide between Zed and quadz.
Will get back to you on that one.
I have no idea what this system means, nor how you arrived at this number. Please enlighten me.Zed wrote:On a scale of one to ten where everyonw starts at a 5, quadz is about a 7.5.
I know exactly what I did. I just never feel that AtEs are scummy.Uite wrote:Blatant AtE. Scummy.
But it isn't self-preservation, its more like town-preservation. It is more beneficial for the town for an innocent to save themselves then it is for an innocent to let themselve die, usually. Sometimes the townie is just a distraction, and I don't think I'm all that distracting here. So yeah, I'm going to try to save myself.Uite wrote:Self-preserving behaviour like that is really scummy. Why didn't you try putting together a convincing case, instead of voting the player with the most votes?
No, Zed, it's more beneficial for the townie to try to get someone scummier lynched. Self-preservation isn't going to save you here; quite the opposite.Zed wrote:But it isn't self-preservation, its more like town-preservation. It is more beneficial for the town for an innocent to save themselves then it is for an innocent to let themselve die, usually. Sometimes the townie is just a distraction, and I don't think I'm all that distracting here. So yeah, I'm going to try to save myself.
Care to explain this further?Zed wrote:quadz- Yeah, my original hunch had them together. Then later I changed things and I didn't think of them that way anymore. I thought some of my other posts made that clear, but I guess not.
(I will not respond within the quote as per request. I've only found that easier because I know people can see exactly what I'm responding to, where, and doesn't allow for any sort of misunderstanding)Uite wrote:Disregarding your miscount, why do you feel four votes is too much for RVS?singersigner wrote:Uite...I originally thought there were three votes on him, and since it was RVS, I didn't need to put a forth. That statement alone was made to say that if I felt comfortable putting a random vote on someone with that many votes at the time, it would've been him, for the random reason of her not answering her own questions.Do you think her defensiveness was in line with your agression? Why/why not?singersigner wrote:I didn't make a big deal out of Equinox not answering her own questions until she got *I felt* unreasonably defensive over it.
You just repeated what I said. Way to go.quadz wrote:No, Zed, it's more beneficial for the townie to try to get someone scummier lynched. Self-preservation isn't going to save you here; quite the opposite.
singer- How Antihero and quadz have been interacting? Just want to make sure i'm clear on that.quadz wrote: Care to explain this further?
If you're trying to learn how to be a better player, wouldn't it make more sense to only play a few games at a time, but get really involved in them, rather than playing at a lowel level in many games?a2rudeboy wrote:@Uite- I initially signed up for so many games because i was in a time where i had nothing to do, IRL. Obviously, i got a bit overzealous in this respect. I choose not to replace out of any games, because i have multi-replaced out before, and I'm attempting to force mold myself into a better player. With that being said, I am here, I have read up, and I will be posting. Also, my v/la ended a few days ago, but then I unexpectedly came down with a cold/ had to move. Not ATE, just stating.
Have you never played Newbie games? It's fairly important there as well.quadz08 wrote:Yes, I am aware of the setup and the fact that all roles are known. I simply did not think to consider it, because I've never had to before.
You're backtracking and you know it. One day doesn not mean no experience. But since we're talking about an ongoing game, maybe we should just leave it at that.quadz08 wrote:As to the experience thing, I am currently in two Open games: this one, and one other, which started 2 weeks prior to this one. It was still in Day One (or maybe at the very, very beginning of Day 2, I don't remember exactly) when this game started. Saying I have "non-existent experience" might not be technically true, but it might as well be.
That's not how it works. There are two scumteams, of two players each. Any one of those can be wiped out at the end of Night 1, which would mean they lose. As a townie being killed is not that bad. Fully eight out of twelve players are town. If one of them dies, there's still plenty of town left to fight the scum. And while a scum lynch is usually preferable to a town lynch, even a mislynch can provide valuable inforamtion to analyse. The only town that can excuse self-preserving behaviour are powerroles, but there are none in this game.Zed wrote:But it isn't self-preservation, its more like town-preservation. It is more beneficial for the town for an innocent to save themselves then it is for an innocent to let themselve die, usually. Sometimes the townie is just a distraction, and I don't think I'm all that distracting here. So yeah, I'm going to try to save myself.
I'm very suspicious of Lowell too, but because we are so close to deadline, he's not a good lynch, unless we can get enough players to agree to vote for him. Besides there are four scum. It's not absolutely necessary to vote for your top pick.Zed wrote:I'd love to vote Lowell, he still bugs me. But hey, if I have to die, I have to die I guess.
While I agree with what you're saying, you didn't answer my question. Why is four votes too much in RVS? To get decent info from an RVS wagon, it needs to go a bit further than that, say to L-2.singersigner wrote:Q 1. I feel there's no reason to put a vote on someone you haven't particularly founds scummy yet, when they've already had several votes cast against them.
Answering your own questions last is pretty much SOP, so I don't really think she was being scummy. That would mean that your suspicion was unwarranted, and I think that her defensiveness was a reaction to that. What I wanted to know is if you could see that angle.singersigner wrote:Q 2. To clarify, is this before or after she had denied answering the questions herself? Is the implication that I was being aggressive about her answering her own questions? If so, no. She had very clearly stated that she had her own reasons for not answering the questions, and I felt her defensiveness came about because she got stuck in a corner once people realized it was kind of scummy to keep refusing after people have asked her to answer. I believe I explained later that I felt her explanation for not answering was valid, but weak at the same time. It was very much gone about in the wrong way.
While there's nothing intrinsically wrong with what you're saying, you're using the wrong approach for the first part, and I'm not sure you're actually doing the second part.Zed wrote:An innocent trying to save themselves and get someonr elsr they are suspicious of is helpful to the town.
@Uite- I don't exactly get what you're saying here, but generally, singer just gives me a scumvibe, hence the vote. But zed does also. There's no reason in particular I chose one over the other. My vote moved from sing to zed when I saw no one was joining me on the sing-wagon.Uite wrote:Lowell:You say you're voting singer because of gut. You've also called Zed outright scum here. Why is it more important for you to vote someone you have only a gut read on, instead of someone you have a definite case on? Combined with your RVS vote, it looks like awkwardly executed distancing to me.