Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[danakillsu]

@Katsuki
It's not misrep. I acknowledged that you gave a reason, but it looks very much like an excuse to get your vote off of your scumpal.
On Iso 23: The end doesn't justify the means. At this point, I'm sure it looked more like Razgriz was going to be lynched, and you knew he was scum for rolebased reasons, and you bussed him. And by the way, one of the main points here is that you DID NOT lynch scum. You were not voting for him when he was lynched.

[Katsuki]

We were still conversing. Why the fuck would I leave someone at L1 if we have no intent to end day?

That is very scummy of you, you're still mis-repping. You SAW HOW HE SELF-HAMMERED. How was I suppose to re-vote him after too put him back at L1 hmm? You still pushing the fact that I was not voting for him come day's end, despite my expressed intent to vote and lynch him, is laughable and scum grasping at straws.

Weak case is weak case.

[Ellibereth]

It feels like half the game is missing.
WAIT
THEY ARE.

Too lazy to compile a list but probably ample scum in there.
My gut leans town on dana right now...

[petroleumjelly]

@Mod

: is the semi-quoting thing Toogeloo did in post 512 considered quoting?

No. A quote for the purposes of this game requires the proper use of the quote function.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Fine.

Unvote, vote: dana

[danakillsu]

Wow. I guess repetition is the only way to get someone lynched. Well, I'm not going to stoop to that level, because it ruins the point of playing Mafia. The sheeple are killing town in this game.

[Budja]

Hello again. I am replacing back into my original slot.
I look over the thread tonight.

[petroleumjelly]

Budja replaces Rockerboo, effective immediately.

[Budja]

Skim #1 complete.

MPR is very town (early unopposed wagon, #228 vote on Raz).
I suspect dada is anti-town, but town (#373 Raz's vote doesn't strike me as a bussing vote)
Tasky intro post is town, but I ought to actually read it properly first .

VOTE: Antihero, I get a feeling he was bussing.

[danakillsu]

@ Budja
Saying I am anti-town, but town, doesn't make any sense. But I think I understand what you are getting at. It looks like you are essentially saying I am a bad player.
I would like to see a better case than your opinion that someone was bussing. That's kind of weak.

[Toogeloo]

Being anti-town, but town, doesn't mean you are a bad player. It means you just aren't operating in town's best interests all the time, and if you are doing it on purpose, you could have motivations behind it. In this particular case, I actually don't see the justifications of him calling you anti-town though. I would say Tasky is more spot on in just calling you a bad player if you are town. Anti-town would be something like Cogito, who has said all of one word that wasn't a vote the entire game, or MPR who just jumps around votes with no content.

I also got the feeling Tasky's intro post makes him look town, even if he had some pretty bad reads in there and mis-represented some comments. Even after I explained my comments, he apologized to one or two, and shrugged off the other opinions as if it makes me a bad player, and then still voted me over it.

All three inactives prior (some now replaced) have come in swinging in different directions, which is good (sort of). Cogito fired off at Black Mist, Tasky is coming after me, Budja is voting Anti. It's good because we can gauge reactions, and the votes themselves, but I think all 3 of them are bad in various reasons as well.

Of those votes:

-Cogito gave no reason at all on his vote for Black Mist, and as of yet, we have had no content at all from him, but he did vote hop over to dana.
-Tasky is wrong, but hey it's me he's voting... and I think at least 3 people have stated that they have been misrepresented, including myself (he even apologized about one of his reads on me).
-Budja is (I think) voting on gut, as he provided no other reason to his vote.


I think we are still missing content from Seraphim and Black Mist of our inactives, but we now have new inactives that haven't posted in a good chunk of time.

My suspect list (of the actives) is currently:
dana (for bad play)
Cogito (for anti-town)

if we suddenly believe dana to be town, then one of Kat or MPR should be looked at.

Inactives, I still do not trust Seraphim or Black Mist.

[Tasky]

• danakillsu 521: I somehow see some strange things in Katsuki and while I was rereading he was the first that seemed a little scummy. But somehow his later play put him back to null again for me. I accept you case, I think it ought not to be dismissed. I just feel more comfortable with voting Toogeloo right now.
  
• Cogito Ergo Sum 529: I really want more than just the vote there.
  
• Budja 533: What do you mean by "unopposed wagon". How do you exclude that MPR's vote on Raz was bussing? Why don't you think it's likely?
  
• Toogeloo 535:
  -> well, acting antitown isn't optimal play if you are town.
  -> Why do think I am town? What about my intro-post was so townish, considering I "misrepresented at least 3 people"
  -> What exactly is you case on Cogito?
  -> Do YOU believe Dana is town? or are you just sheeping the masses? I yes, what made you change your mind?
  ==> I'll stick with my vote on Toogeloo. your post hasn't made anything at all that I would consider townish.

To all:
1. MORE TOOGELOO VOTES PLEASE
2. KEEP ACTIVITY UP. THIS GAME IS TOO COOL TO LET IT DIE.

[Toogeloo]

-> well, acting antitown isn't optimal play if you are town.

I never said it was optimal, I said it happens, and sometimes players have motivations for doing so.

-> Why do think I am town? What about my intro-post was so townish, considering I "misrepresented at least 3 people"

I said you "looked" town. I never declared you town.

-> What exactly is you case on Cogito?

Look at his play... do I need a case? Do you believe he is playing "optimally?"

-> Do YOU believe Dana is town? or are you just sheeping the masses? I yes, what made you change your mind?

I thought Dana was scum on Day 2, and came into Day 3 retaining that opinion. I am not sheeping the masses since I have stated quite blatantly that I would prefer to vote for Seraphim, but I cant in good conscious vote him without more content from him, especially since only a handful of players were interested yesterday. Dana would be a good alternative, but as of lately I have been torn on him and the way Katsuki and MPR are pushing for his lynch. Cogito hopping on doesn't improve his image for me either. Cogito felt like he was forced to vote for dana, and avoided it via the Black Mist vote. I think if dana is scum, Cogito probably is as well. If dana is town, then Kat or MPR (and possibly still Cogito) are all suspicious.

==> I'll stick with my vote on Toogeloo. your post hasn't made anything at all that I would consider townish.

So, who's tunneling now, hmm? I will accept an apology from you soon enough.

[Katsuki]

@TASKY: DANA FIRST, THEN TOOGO. THOUGH SERAPHIM LOOKS LIKE A MUCH BETTER OPTION OVER TOOGO IMO.

[Tasky]

@Toogeloo

no wait. I think you didn't understand what I said:
you stated that being antitown and town is not bad play, so I said that it isn't optimal. this is a stylistic device used to convey that it is in fact bad play.

>> I said you "looked" town. <<
lol. I know you didn't declare me town. the question still stands: Why do I LOOK town to you?

>> So, who's tunneling now, hmm? <<
You call

this

tunneling?
lol.

@Katsuki

shouldn't it be "dana first, then seraphim, then toogo" then?
Do you think Toogeloo is scum?
why are you posting in caps?

[Katsuki]

Oh, forgot about caps rule.

I suppose, sera first, because I suspect him too with his lurking even at end of D1.
My thoughts on tooge are mixed.

[Toogeloo]

Tasky:

-Anti-town players are unreadable, or post in a way that they are trying to avoid attention or frustrate other players. I'm not disagreeing with you on whether or not it's optimal, but anti-town does not specifically correlate to bad town. Is it not agood tactic to be anti-town, draw a wagon, and then turn around and analyze everyone attached to your wagon? Maybe someone being anti-town might put another player on tilt that causes them to lose control of emotion and post things they wouldn't normally do.

Anti-town =/= bad town. No where did I ever say anti-town is the optimal way to play. Hell, if I believed that, I wouldn't be posting every day.


-You "look" town because your first real post of the game is a wall of text with isolations on 4 or 5 players. Hell, even Elli said she wasn't going to read it and just called you town on the spot. I think the amount of effort you went through makes you appear town, and not someone I would want to target for the day. That doesn't give you a pass through the game, but at least you put more effort into the game thus far than Cogito who came in the same time you did, so I am willing to look at you in a town light for right now.

-And yeah, it is a bit tunneling, not that I

really

care.

[Seraphim]

Mod: Requesting replacement

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Guys, maybe I was confused, but I thought we had 2 very obvious suspects in dana and Black Mist today (like you had Razgriz yesterday) and it would just be a matter of deciding which of the two to lynch. Am I missing something or is this town just inept?

[Ellibereth]

Me likey Cogito.

[Ellibereth]

Black needs to be replaced nao though.
And I still think dana is town too. (And dana, you being anti-town and town makes perfect sense).

[Ellibereth]

TOWN
Tasky
Elli
Ghost
Katsu
Mehplus
Panda
Cogito
dana

PEOPLE LEFT
Anti
Black
Budja
Sera

[Katsuki]

A town with this activity is adept?

Elli, dana is scum. Trust me on this one.

[Ellibereth]

Really?
...
Okay then.

Unvote, Vote Dana

[Budja]

@dana and others commenting on this, I think dana is town. "bad play" =/= scum.
@Tasky, I also said this ages ago before I was replaced, nobody really tried to stop the MPR wagon. If he was scum, I would not expect such a wagon. Also, MPR pushed Raz intelligently and early and I felt sincerity.

Black Mist needs to be more involved (or replaced) but I'm not seeing scum. (a passive newb-type player).

I would support a Anti, Katsuki or Seraphim lynch.