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So my first bandwagon deserved praise, but my bandwagon on you was opportunistic?drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Because that was a really easy shot for scum to slip onto a wagon with a "reason", and push a mislynchAntihero wrote:@shotty: Why is loc's vote "opportunistic"?Town Record: 2 - 3
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1) Assuming that you are a town persondrmyshottyizsik wrote:exactly so know we have gotten no where, and we are right where we started, also now there is a wagon on a town person, with no reasoning, and this sucks.
2) The reason is because it's RVS and bandwagons this early entitle a reaction. Usually that reaction can either say a little or even a lot.
3) "we are right where we started" - not necessarily true, but I agree that we haven't gotten too far. It's only the 2nd page and half the players haven't posted yet, what did you expect? Plus, saying this is fluff and doesn't add anything even to the RVS. If you really want to get somewhere, why not add something constructive.Town Record: 2 - 3
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RVS (random voting stage) is what we are doing now. We're pretty much just voting for random reasons just to get the ball rolling. Bandwagons are usually formed to put early pressure on others and see how they react. Once we get some suspicions and discussions going, then we'll back out of RVS.
Another thing to do is RQS (random question stage).
Another RQ: Since I feel this may be an issue this game, what is everybody's stance on policy lynching?Town Record: 2 - 3
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No I mean 'lynch an idiot'2003041 wrote:clarifying: you mean 'lynch all lurkers', right?
My stance on policy lynching: Only if you think there's a chance there might be scum and only on Day 1.
My stance on lynching lurkers: Don't. At least wait and see if they're replaced first. Sometimes it can mean that they are disinterested in the game because they are VT. Therefore it's very circumstantial.Town Record: 2 - 3
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Guys you will realize that Joystick marches to the beat of a different mafia drum.
Anyways, I don't agree with Joystick's theory. If new evidence comes in that they may really be townie, then why lynch them? Not saying we should just believe their claim as a VT, but even PR's might claim VT.
Like Bazz, I'm fairly new here too. I played "real life" mafia COUNTLESS times but only started playing online just recently.
@Everybody: So far shotty and Joystick have been the bandwagons of choice. If you had to lynch one of these two NOW, which one would you choose and why?Town Record: 2 - 3
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[the bolded part]: That's pretty much it.ooBAZZoo wrote:@nameloc -
This does read as though you are narrowing down our options. Perhaps you are trying to draw attention to these two so we are more likely to find them scummy at a later date (scum-motive), ornameloc1986 wrote:@Everybody: So far shotty and Joystick have been the bandwagons of choice. If you had to lynch one of these two NOW, which one would you choose and why?perhaps you are trying to get discussion going to bring us out of an RVS(town-motive). In answer, I know you've said its hypothetical, but I really couldn't say who I found scummier at such an early stage. If you pushed me for an answer, I'd only be giving one for a mundane reason, so I may as well role a dice and see.
Just to clarify, I do realize that those aren't the ONLY two suspects and that there is a chance that neither could be scum. It's the discussion, that I'm interested in.Town Record: 2 - 3
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Antihero makes a post about opportunism, saying it's something scum would accuse someone else of (referencing shotty) but doesn't admit that scum would use opportunism either.Antihero wrote:
...drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Because that was a really easy shot for scum to slip onto a wagon with a "reason", and push a mislynchAntihero wrote:@shotty: Why is loc's vote "opportunistic"?
Opportunism is the easiest thing for scum to accuse their wagoners of, because it usually involves vague generalities like this.
Asks Jason to hop on a BW then....Antihero wrote:policy lynching = epic fail
So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?
Antihero wrote:That said, Jason why did you vote shotty?
...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???Antihero wrote:meh, i was asking for opinions. The fact that jason didn't give any looks kind of bad. BTW, wouldn't jason be sheeping me?
ditto what Zdenek saidAntihero wrote:How is this a scumtell?
It's easy to label someone's behavior (e.g. "overreaction") without really explicitly calling it scummy. It's just sphagetti flinging and it's quite scummy.
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In a way yes. A newer player you tend to expect that they sometimes read into things the wrong way, or they may not look like they are scumhunting because they really don't know what to look for. Sometimes it's hard to determine what's "scumtell" with them and what's "newb" mistakes.ooBAZZoo wrote:@everyone - Just to throw a question into the mix:
Do you think your read of a player should take into account their experience?Town Record: 2 - 3
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Great question: Andrew is the epitome of the village idiot. He's stupid enough to fake-claim PRs. Also I've checked his meta and he seems to have a knack for getting lynched Day 1 as a townie. Also I'm getting a "slight" idiot read off of shotty. His meta, from what I can tell, doesn't help him a whole lot either.Dry-fit wrote:
I'm not for it. If there's a player you have even the tiniest bit of suspicion of that 's better than a policy lynch. And a situation where it's impossible to get any kind of read at all is hard to imagine. Which player(s) do you suspect might be likely to be policy lynched?nameloc1986 wrote:Another RQ: Since I feel this may be an issue this game, what is everybody's stance on policy lynching?
Maybe constructive squabbles can help you out of RVS, but not mindless squabbles.[/quote]Dry wrote:
Why not? Isn't that how we get out of rvs?nameloc1986 wrote:Anywho, I really don't want to get carried away with mindless squabbles during RVS. I'm gonna wait for others to post.Town Record: 2 - 3
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This:jasonT1981 wrote:
Also, how can you continiously reply to someone... who hasn't replied?andrew94 wrote:nope what do u mean by 'didnt follow up', i asked him to explain it, and on the same post i asked ckd what he meant, i then continuously replied to hop , whilst he hasnt replied yet
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1) I'm not trying to get people to ignore you, I'm just trying to warn people that you are an idiot. It was really meant to mean whether you are a townie or scum.andrew94 wrote:nameloc has upped in my scum read as he is trying to get everyone to ignore me by naming me VI.
i have seen this tactic in a finished newbie game where a person convinces the others to completely ignore someone else due to 'vi'
i no like
preview edit: what? so i get lynched in about 8 games as townie on day1 to win in this game? huh, it makes no sense to me
2) If I was "scum" trying to get people to ignore you, it would be because of you being scum. Scumslip maybe?
Seeing as how you are a popular Day 1 lynch, I'm not going to vote you just yet, but you're definitely tempting me.FOS: AndrewTown Record: 2 - 3
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Dude,andrew94 wrote:
when you warn ppl that im an idiot, they tend to not listen to me- if your scum u just made ppl not listen to menameloc1986 wrote:
1) I'm not trying to get people to ignore you, I'm just trying to warn people that you are an idiot. It was really meant to mean whether you are a townie or scum.andrew94 wrote:nameloc has upped in my scum read as he is trying to get everyone to ignore me by naming me VI.
i have seen this tactic in a finished newbie game where a person convinces the others to completely ignore someone else due to 'vi'
i no like
preview edit: what? so i get lynched in about 8 games as townie on day1 to win in this game? huh, it makes no sense to me
2) If I was "scum" trying to get people to ignore you, it would be because of you being scum. Scumslip maybe?
Seeing as how you are a popular Day 1 lynch, I'm not going to vote you just yet, but you're definitely tempting me.FOS: Andrew
point 2- er wtf? your scum getting people to ignore me- town guyif anythingI was helping you out because people (i.e. Jason) suspected you as scum. I was trying to help explain what looked like your "scummy" behavior as you just being an idiot. With your track record for being lynched Day 1, I thought that should speak for itself. Also if you are a "villageidiot" meaning townie and I was scum I wouldn't worry about people ignoring you for you're not that much of a threat TBH.Town Record: 2 - 3
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Yeah, but pursuing it this way is a little WIFOM don't ya think? I'm not questioning your vote on Andrew, but I think we really need to analyze him more before we claim his as our lynch.jasonT1981 wrote:Which is why the VI play is the perfect way for Andrew to skate by undetected as scum. People just think its normal for himTown Record: 2 - 3
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Because the question felt more like a "friendly" question and then your response made me feel like you set him up for a trap.Antihero wrote:
... didn't finish the thought.Antihero wrote:
First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.nameloc wrote:...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???
Second off, why is it scummy to not like the reaction to a question, even if the question is yours?
Kinda of like:
"Hey do want to try this chocolate cake or this pound cake?"
"I think I'll try the chocolate."
"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CHOOSE THE CHOCOLATE??"
-Exaggeration I know but the point is that he did what you asked in a sense. He jumped on a bandwagon. Then you jumped on him.Town Record: 2 - 3
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It may be an exaggeration but you still were suspicious of him. And how is it a false analogy? You ask him to try a bandwagon out, he chooses a bandwagon, doesn't give a reason and then find him suspicious for it. That's pretty much what the analogy entails.Antihero wrote:
This is a false analogy. Also, it's an exaggeration to say that I "jumped on Jason."nameloc1986 wrote:
Because the question felt more like a "friendly" question and then your response made me feel like you set him up for a trap.Antihero wrote:
... didn't finish the thought.Antihero wrote:
First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.nameloc wrote:...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???
Second off, why is it scummy to not like the reaction to a question, even if the question is yours?
Kinda of like:
"Hey do want to try this chocolate cake or this pound cake?"
"I think I'll try the chocolate."
"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CHOOSE THE CHOCOLATE??"
-Exaggeration I know but the point is that he did what you asked in a sense. He jumped on a bandwagon. Then you jumped on him.
OK, well that's a matter of personal opinion.nameloc1986 wrote:I guess that does make Jason look more like a "follower" but being Day 1 and close to the RVS, I didn't think it was absolutely necessary to give a reason right then.
Let me ask you this question: Why did you ask him to join a bandwagon?Town Record: 2 - 3
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Alright, let's say that hypothetically that two people were at L-1 right before deadline. You don't have strong scum reads against either of them but your decision was key to making a lynch. What would you do?2003041 wrote:@DF: I really don't know if a no lynch would be beneficial at all in this type of set-up (probably not), but my point was that if there is not enough evidence for me to merit a vote, I will not vote. I stand by what I say in post 77 that a lynch will give us more info than a no lynch, but I don't want to vote for someone just because I HAVE to vote.Town Record: 2 - 3
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Yeah yeah, this has already been addressed and I already admitted to exaggerating.jasonT1981 wrote:I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.
search.php?author_id=13944&sr=postsHopOnMyJoystick wrote:I am still wondering when shotty is going to come and participate, he has questions directed towards him and no response from him yet
He's been online the past couple of days, but only on this game to vote andrew and then he invited him to a marathon game. Since then he's been doing a couple of marathons (never finished the one he started) but has had time to post in other games. Granted I'm not sure what this says.Town Record: 2 - 3
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I wouldn't take shotty's inactivity as that big of a shock. I did some further checking on him and he's in at least EIGHT FRICKIN GAMES currently. I think the best thing to do is ask the mod for a prod on him and move on.
@mod: can you prod shotty?
I know it may seem early for a prod but I don't want to play with someone who's not going to have time for this game!Town Record: 2 - 3
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First off, don't call me a dumb ass when you don't even know how many games you are in. You are in 6 (2 of them I checked earlier the mods didn't update the game over status). I'll list them:drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Name I'm in 4 dumb ass, and I'm sorry.nameloc1986 wrote:I wouldn't take shotty's inactivity as that big of a shock. I did some further checking on him and he's in at least EIGHT FRICKIN GAMES currently. I think the best thing to do is ask the mod for a prod on him and move on.
@mod: can you prod shotty?
I know it may seem early for a prod but I don't want to play with someone who's not going to have time for this game!
I was on a date last night, sorry!!
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So no, I'm not a dumb ass but apparently you are.
Anywho, you're wanting Andrew lynched as a policy lynch is very laughable when you yourself are a dumbass and haven't been very pro-town yourself. Especially if you want Andrew lynched without ANY real evidence against him. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?Town Record: 2 - 3
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After a re-read of everything, I came across this bit of irony! Didn't you yourself jump on a bandwagon without giving a reason??? Hypocrite much?jasonT1981 wrote:Can you explain your vote?I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.Town Record: 2 - 3
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What do you find suspicious about him? This reason we ask is that you seem to have pulled a lightswitch here.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:Wow I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't
Seriously I think saving him for later is still a good idea but I think he is suspicious. The other wagon on anti-hero I just don't feel is valid, so I decided to stick with Andrew. Andrew's meta is same for town and scum will only confuse us later in the game.Town Record: 2 - 3
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HopOnMyJoystick wrote:I find his agression scummy, he has questioned like 4 or 5 people on comments that I particularly did not find scummy, he than tried to twist my words in an attempt to find me scummy.
I don't feel I flipped a switch cause my vote was on him to begin with.Emphasis on Bolded Part:Yeah but to begin with we were in RVS hence RANDOM vote. The flipswitching was saying that you wouldn't lynch him at all Day 1 to now voting for him.
A good point? His point was policy lynch.Joystick wrote:]Plus shotty mentioned a good point aboutuse the mislynchnow, I think he is scummy so no point in derailing his wagon just yet. If I see something that catches my eye I can unvote.Not bolded part:bad choice of words here. That sounds really scummish.
Earlier you said:
Explain what you mean hereJoystick wrote:as for policy lnching, depends on the policy
It's not the evidence that you have against Andrew, I'm just not sure if I buy your flip-flop.Town Record: 2 - 3
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I didn't notice it at first when shotty said it:
To me this implies that it is a gamble that Andrew's lynch might be a mislynch.shotty wrote:while we can afford a mislynch
Having just read shotty's comment is not an excuse for a scum slip. This wording implies that you KNOW it's going to be a mislynch.Joystick wrote:use the mislynch now
Nice try Joystick!
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_lynchHopOnMyJoystick wrote:I don't even know what the hell a policy lynch is anyway, someone care to explain it, I never heard of it til this game
MafiaScum has this great wiki page, if you want to know what any of the lingo means just look it up!Town Record: 2 - 3
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WTF? So I have an apparent connection with anyone I get a town read off of? I guess this is one big food fight of spaghetti then.HopOnMyJoystick wrote:So reading back, nameloc seems to have some sort of weird connection with shotty, first says he gets town read than an idiot read
I'm not denying this is true, but I was trying to caution everybody just like you were. I didn't want to vote for him just because of scummy/odd behavior when he has a history of being a VI.Joystick wrote:he admits to helping Andrew out by saying he is an idiot and cause he is lynched early day 1, which is really a different approach I took in saying we should not lynch Andrew day 1
Because I just thought his way of asking Jason a question and then saying he was suspicious for his answer was almost like a trap. I know it was weak but it was just something that bugged me.Joystick wrote:he than goes after anti-hero and votes him but I don't understand his reasons why
I was not making excuses. I was just as curious about his absence as you were so I checked up on it. I explained why he might have been absent, but also said that I didn't know what it meant. I'm not sure how you get the idea that I was defending him.JS wrote:as soon as I question shotty about his vote and not responding to my question, he starts making excuses for him
his post 33 he just copies other people's questions
WE as in I wasn't the only one to ask. And why do you say "shotty" and not BAZZ? Don't you mean BAZZ and antihero?JS wrote:his post 35, he says "the reason WE ask" as if letting it slip he is working together with shotty and anti-hero
I explained this in my post#37. You both said the word "mislynch" but he said "while we can afford a mislynch" while you said "use the mislynch now". I get two different reads off this quote.JS wrote:he also doesn't feel shotty seeming so sure it's a mis-lynch as being scummy, yet when I repeat his wording I am scummy
point out the posts where I am buddying with him. The only thing that supports this is my "early town read" on him. In the whole mislynch thing, I don't DENY that shotty is scum, but that your words look scummier.JS wrote:seems like nameloc is working with shotty or at least buddying him
You're right. I was probably quick to call andrew a VI. I guess it was because of frustration with my last game with him. Since its ongoing I can't reference it, but you should know because you're in that game!JS wrote:also tries to immediatly discredit Andrew so any suspicions cast on him are thrown out for being VITown Record: 2 - 3
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Aren't we all "reaching for reasons" though? No one knows for sure who's scum so we all have to do scumhunting.Zdenek wrote:I'd like to add to the case on Nameloc.I think he is reaching for reasons to vote.When he voted for antihero, he questioned him about questioning Jason for jumping Shotty's wagon, and when he voted for Joystick, he did so because he interprets Joystick's statement: "... use the mislynch now" as a scumslip. Now, taken literally, and out of context, it might be a scumslip. But in context, it doesn't seem that bad to me, especially considering how Joystick is acting.
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But you run the risk of the real "PR" to counterclaim which might make people assume Andrew is scum. If he gets lynched for it, then the real "PR" will get targeted for nightkill and you lose TWO townies AND a valuable PR.Zdenek wrote:I am willing to believe this even though Andrew's meta says that he fakeclaims. When he does it, isn't it to take a night kill when he is a VT to save a PR, rather than trying to get a townie lynched?Town Record: 2 - 3
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So if Andrew is VT and he just "fakeclaimed" RC, he just risked the counterclaim of the "real" RC. The fact that Andrew has faked claimed at least once before goes to show that he's capable of doing it again. "Stupid is as stupid does." We need to be really careful with this and how we handle it.Town Record: 2 - 3
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How am I defending Hop? I never said you did fakeclaim, that situation was completely hypothetical. I just made the point that you have fakeclaimed before, so you liable to do it again. Though your trap for Joystick makes sense. I don't like the fact you outed yourself so early, but at least we caught a liar. I think I'm willing to believe you though.andrew94 wrote:
stop defending your scum buddy hop.nameloc1986 wrote:So if Andrew is VT and he just "fakeclaimed" RC, he just risked the counterclaim of the "real" RC. The fact that Andrew has faked claimed at least once before goes to show that he's capable of doing it again. "Stupid is as stupid does." We need to be really careful with this and how we handle it.
why would i randomly claim cop. i was trying to get hop to L 1 at the start (hence my pick on his minority post) so he coudl claim something
and bravo- he claims a power role, when he is NOT A power role. = scum
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When? I totally missed that.Antihero wrote:
um, nameloc, andrew just admitted to lyingnameloc1986 wrote:
Why aren't you taking into consideration that Andrew might be lying?drmyshottyizsik wrote:
anti and allAntihero wrote:UNVOTE:
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andrew, I think I now know why some people are in favor of policy lynching.
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I'm sorry, this just seems like bullshit to me. What game is Andrew mad at you about?HopOnMyJoystick wrote:And before anyone else asks, yes I realize self voting can be scummy but if town I'd gonna lynch a watcher on day 1 based on info from Andrew who fake claims roles all the time.
Also not sure if I beleive Andrew based on my results last night, somebody did visit shotty last night, didn't feel the need to say anything earlier cause clearly he is alive and hadn't thought of the possibility of Andrew fake claiming
Andrew is mad cause of another game and he's trying to take it out on me here, he was really pissed at me.Town Record: 2 - 3
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So Joystick, are you Watcher or Scum? PLEEEEEEAAASE don't say you're a VT!
Just to point out before the day ends: I do not like shotty's confusing attempts to bring down both Joystick and Andrew together and trying to out another PR. That is definitely anti-town behavior! Shotty if you are a townie then STOP!Town Record: 2 - 3
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Hmm....this is interesting....no one died? I guess that means the scum tried to kill the hider and he successfully hid right?
@Shotty: You realize that Andrew can't detect scum right? He can only detect power roles. You're asking him to give away a power role that could be targeted.
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Alright, I may as well come forth with this: I am thehider. I'm not going to reveal who I hid behind just yet though. I don't want to give the scum a target by revealing a confirmed townie.
P. Edit: Bull Shit, you were asking him what his results were, why else would you ask him anything? Also I DARE any of the scum to counterclaim. Doing so would be foolish since the lynch of one of us would reveal the other to be scum.Town Record: 2 - 3
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