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Newbie 1022 - Game Over

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:54 am

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You awaken to the hustle and bustle of your home town’s daily activity. Little did you know that the peaceful quiet of your normal, everyday life would come crashing down today. It seems that one of your fellow citizens has angered the Mob, and has paid for it with his life! What are you going to do? Why, you’re going to get your peaceful, little town back, that’s what…

Your job, fair citizens of the town’s Ruling Council, is to discover who among you belong to the Mafia and summarily lynch them. Two of your fellow Council members are working for the Mafia - find them before they take over the Council and the town!



Player List
-
Confirmed players are listed in bold-face type

AurorusVox ^

Avish

LordChronos
(replaced Chief)
DavidParker
(replaced EggyLv999)
Kingcheese

xvart ^
(replaced Leech ^)
drmyshottyizsik ^
(replaced Substrike22 ^)
TheLonging ^

VasudeVa *


* = Inexperience Challenged (IC)
^ = Semi-Experienced (SE)

The IC(s) are here to help you learn to play the game. Their play is governed by the wiki article Being a good IC.


Dead Players

Spoiler: Role Reveal
Avish,
Doctor
, lynched Day 1

LordChronos (replaced Chief),
Townie
, killed Night 1

DavidParker (replaced EggyLv999),
Townie
, lynched Day 2

TheLonging,
Cop
, killed Night 2

Kingcheese,
Townie
, lynched Day 3

drshottymyizsik (replaced Substrike22),
Townie
, killed in Endgame

xvart (replaced Leech),
Townie
, killed in Endgame



The
Mafia
team wins the game!



Day 1 Lynch | Day 2 Lynch | Day 3 Lynch
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:54 am

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Game Rules


The Golden Rule

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Playing to win does not preclude being considerate of each other!

There is a ZERO tolerance policy for personal attacks in this game. I will remove you from the game (possibly without warning) if you get too personal.


General Rules/Game Etiquette
  1. In order for all players to play at least one game day this game will start with a Day phase.
  2. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
  3. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
  4. Please remember that you made a commitment to participate when you signed up to play. If you cannot fulfill this commitment, please contact the Mod and request a replacement instead of just disappearing!
  5. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.
    If someone contacts you outside the game you should report it to the game Mod IMMEDIATELY.
Activity/Prods/Replacements
  1. You should aim for one post every 48 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
  2. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request or after 3 real-life days of no activity.
  3. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond to the prod, after which time a replacement search will begin. The prodded player may re-enter the game so long as no replacement has been found.
  4. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to possible replacement without further notice (player-requested prods do not count towards this total).
  5. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please PM the Mod so that you don’t get replaced!
Deadlines
  1. All Newbie games have strict 3-week deadlines.

  2. Extensions are given only in extreme circumstances.
  3. Nights will have a standard deadline of 72 hours.
  4. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.
  5. Deadlines may be shortened if activity is too low, or if all Night choices have been received early.
Player Actions/Voting/Player Death
  1. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Lynch will occur.
  2. Votes should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.
    Vote: Player
    ).
  3. Vote revocations should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.
    Unvote: Player
    or
    Unvote
    ). Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
  4. You may
    Vote: No Lynch
    - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a Lynch.
  5. Votes/Unvotes should be placed on a line all by themselves to make them easier for everyone to see.
  6. Votes/Unvotes that reasonably follow the guidelines specified above, and are unambiguous with respect to player nicknames/abbreviations, will count. Attempting to fake a vote will result in a Modkill.
  7. Once a player has reached a simple majority of votes no further unvoting will change their fate.
  8. When a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players may continue to post.
  9. If you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief “Bah!”-type post that contains NO game related information.
  10. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage).
  11. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mod know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.
Miscellaneous
  1. Red
    or
    Purple
    text is reserved for the Mod. No invisible/small/encrypted text is allowed.
  2. Vote counts will be posted once per page or once per day, whichever is less.
  3. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mod privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
  4. The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
  5. Please bold all requests to the Mod so that they don’t get missed.

  6. Rules violations will be dealt with according to their severity (up to and including a Modkill) as the Mod sees fit.
  7. Modkills may be accompanied by a change to day/night. The offender’s role will be changed to Neutral Survivor, which guarantees a loss.
  8. Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to Mod discretion and will be handled as the Mod sees fit on a case-by-case basis.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:56 am

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The F11 setup is the current game format used in Newbie games. To prevent the development of game-breaking strategies, these Newbie Games are Semi-Open, wherein the actual game setup is randomly chosen from one of four possible setups as detailed below:
  • 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Townies
  • 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
  • 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
  • 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies
If either of the first two setups are in play, and the situation occurs where the Goon is lynched first, the Roleblocker will still be able to submit both night kills and roleblocks (roleblocking is a function of the Roleblocker; night kills are a function of the scum team as a whole).



These are the Role PMs that have potentially been sent to the players:

Mafia-Aligned players:

Mod wrote:
name
(a Mafia Goon) and
name
(who is also a Mafia Goon) are part of the local Mafia crime family. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.
  • During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies, and attempt to get someone lynched.
  • During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via this QuickTopic) and choose another player in the town to kill that night. One of you must
    send me a PM
    with your choice of who to kill.
  • You may communicate privately via QuickTopic with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened (this is called Night 0). Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  • You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.
Mod wrote:

name
(a Mafia Roleblocker) and
name
(a Mafia Goon) are part of the local Mafia crime family. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.
  • During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies and attempt to get someone lynched.
  • The Mafia Roleblocker has the ability to distract any player throughout the night, effectively negating their night ability, if they have one.
  • Send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to block, usually along with the kill. If the blocked player has a role with a Night action, it will have no effect. You will not be informed as to whether the roleblock was successful or not.
  • During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia () and choose another player in the town to kill that night. One of you must
    send me a PM
    with your choice of who to kill.
  • You may communicate privately via QuickTopic with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened (this is called Night 0). Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  • You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

Town-Aligned players:

Mod wrote:

You are a normal townsperson, trying to make a living and survive this insanity.
  • You have no abilities at Night other than getting a good night's rest.
  • Although you do not have any special abilities, your voice and vote are powerful weapons in their own right. Use them to your best advantage!
  • At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  • You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.
Mod wrote:

You are the local law enforcement, and can tell the good guys from the bad.
  • Each NIGHT, you may send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to investigate.
  • The Moderator will inform you as to that person’s guilt or innocence. If you are blocked by a Mafia Roleblocker, you will receive a PM stating “No Result”.
  • At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  • In a Newbie game, you will always get a correct result (no sanity issues).
  • You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.
Mod wrote:

You are the local physician, and can protect people from harm.
  • Each NIGHT, you may send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to protect.
  • If someone attempts to kill that player during the Night, they will be spared. You will not be informed as to whether your protection was successful or not.
  • You may not protect yourself.
  • At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  • In a Newbie game, your protection target will always live through the night.
  • You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.
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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:47 am

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Day 1 has begun. Just waiting on shotty as a pregame replacement for substrike, but feel free to get started.

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Post Post #26 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:04 am

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Avish wrote:I am interested to see how this shotty will defend himself, so for now I think I'll add a little more pressure by:

Vote Lynch drmyshottyizsik


Jeez, did I spell that right? I shoulda copypasta'd.

Avish, please read over the rules post. This vote is formatted incorrectly and does NOT count.



Official Vote Count


Leech - 1 (VasudeVa)
drmyshottyizsik - 3 (AurorusVox, Leech, TheLonging)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)

Not Voting - 4 (Avish, Chief, EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:08 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 4 (AurorusVox, Leech, TheLonging, Avish)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 1 (VasudeVa)

Not Voting - 3 (Chief, EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #74 (isolation #6) » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:45 am

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Chief has been prodded.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #7) » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:40 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 4 (AurorusVox, Leech, TheLonging, Avish)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 1 (VasudeVa)

Not Voting - 3 (Chief, EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #101 (isolation #8) » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:58 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 4 (AurorusVox, Leech, TheLonging, Avish)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 1 (VasudeVa)

Not Voting - 3 (Chief, EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #127 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:49 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 4 (AurorusVox, Leech, TheLonging, Avish)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 1 (VasudeVa)

Not Voting - 3 (Chief, EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #135 (isolation #10) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:04 am

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Chief has been prodded (2nd prod).
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Post Post #145 (isolation #11) » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:00 am

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AurorusVox wrote:He gets replaced if he doesn't pick up a third prod, or if he asks to be replaced specifically.
Or if he doesn't pick up the 2nd one. Looking for a replacement for Chief.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:33 am

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LordChronos replaces Chief.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:09 am

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Kingcheese has been prodded.



Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 2 (AurorusVox, TheLonging)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 3 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos)
Leech - 1 (Avish)

Not Voting - 2 (EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #177 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:24 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 2 (AurorusVox, TheLonging)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 3 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos)
Leech - 1 (Avish)

Not Voting - 2 (EggyLv999, drmyshottyizsik)


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Post Post #182 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:16 am

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drmyshottyizsik wrote:
vel I voted for AV
drmyshottyizsik wrote:
unvote
vote AV
LordChronos wrote:Is AV Aurorus Vox or Avish?
The Rules, Player Actions/Voting/Player Death, #6 wrote:Votes/Unvotes that reasonably follow the guidelines specified above,
and are unambiguous with respect to player nicknames/abbreviations
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Post Post #199 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:54 am

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EggyLv999 has been prodded.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:49 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 1 (TheLonging)
Chief - 1 (Kingcheese)
Avish - 3 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos)
Leech - 1 (Avish)
AurorusVox - 1 (drmyshottyizsik)
VasudeVa - 1 (AurorusVox)

Not Voting - 1 (EggyLv999)


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Post Post #228 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:43 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 2 (TheLonging, Kingcheese)
Avish - 3 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos)
Leech - 1 (Avish)
AurorusVox - 1 (drmyshottyizsik)
VasudeVa - 1 (AurorusVox)

Not Voting - 1 (EggyLv999)


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Post Post #253 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:45 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 2 (TheLonging, Kingcheese)
Avish - 4 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos, drmyshottyizsik)
Leech - 1 (Avish)

Not Voting - 2 (AurorusVox, EggyLv999)


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Post Post #281 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:08 am

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Official Vote Count


drmyshottyizsik - 2 (TheLonging, Kingcheese)

Avish - 5 (VasudeVa, Leech, LordChronos, AurorusVox, Avish)

Kingcheese - 1 (drmyshottyizsik)

Not Voting - 1 (EggyLv999)


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Post Post #282 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:15 am

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Avish decides it's easier to end his own life than be a distraction any longer. You all go to bed with a heavy heart and a strong desire to do better tomorrow.



Avish,
Doctor
, lynched Day 1



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Post Post #283 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:22 am

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You arrive at the town Council chambers to find LorsChronos sprawled in his chair, shot to death. The janitors come in and clean up the mess, and then you get down to the business of hunting scum.

What? Oh come on, there will be time to mourn later. Besides if you don't find the Mafia there's not going to be anyone left who gives a sh!t....



LordChronos,
Townie
, killed Night 1



Day 2 has begun. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is the end of Wednesday, December 1.



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Post Post #288 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:47 am

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Post Post #304 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:47 am

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Post Post #316 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:48 am

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DavidParker has been prodded.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:31 am

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Leech - 1 (TheLonging)
Kingcheese - 2 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker)
DavidParker - 1 (Leech)
TheLonging - 1 (AurorusVox)

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Post Post #351 (isolation #27) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:25 pm

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AurorusVox has been prodded.



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Leech - 2 (TheLonging, VasudeVa)
Kingcheese - 2 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker)
DavidParker - 1 (Leech)
TheLonging - 1 (AurorusVox)

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Post Post #393 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:03 am

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Leech - 2 (TheLonging, VasudeVa)
Kingcheese - 3 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker, AurorusVox)
TheLonging - 1 (Leech)
DavidParker - 1 (Kingcheese)

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Post Post #395 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:30 am

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Shotty has been prodded.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #30) » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:14 am

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Leech - 1 (TheLonging)
Kingcheese - 3 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker, AurorusVox)
TheLonging - 1 (Leech)
DavidParker - 2 (Kingcheese, VasudeVa)

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Post Post #423 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:10 am

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Leech has been prodded.
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Post Post #431 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:25 am

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Leech - 1 (TheLonging)
Kingcheese - 3 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker, AurorusVox)
TheLonging - 1 (Leech)
DavidParker - 2 (Kingcheese, VasudeVa)

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Post Post #457 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:12 am

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Kingcheese - 2 (drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker)
TheLonging - 1 (Leech)

DavidParker - 4 (Kingcheese, VasudeVa, AurorusVox, TheLonging)


Not Voting - 0 ()


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Post Post #458 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:17 am

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A flurry of votes as the day ends seals David's fate. The mob marches him off to the gallows, where his true allegiance is revealed.



DavidParker,
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Post Post #459 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:14 am

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You find TheLonging's body in the town square the next day. Another serious blow to a Town which is fading fast! Time's running out!



TheLonging,
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Post Post #508 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:17 am

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Kingcheese - 3 (drmyshottyizsik, VasudeVa, AurorusVox)



Not Voting - 2 (Kingcheese, xvart)


3 to Lynch.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:19 am

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The sun comes up and KCs neck stretched. The Mafia laugh about it all the way to the bank.



Kingcheese,
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drshottymyizsik,
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xvart,
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Post Post #510 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:22 am

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Role Reveal:


PlayerReplacedRole
AurorusVox ^Mafia Roleblocker
AvishDoc
LordChronosChiefTownie
DavidParkerEggyLv999Townie
KingcheeseTownie
xvart ^Leech ^Townie
drmyshottyizsik ^Substrike22 ^Townie
TheLonging ^Cop
VasudeVa *Mafia Goon




Night Actions:


Night 1:

AurorusVox blocks Leech.
TheLonging investigates shotty.
VasudeVa kills LordChronos.

Night 2:

AurorusVox blocks xvart.
TheLonging investigates Kingcheese.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:30 am

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Everyone should use this time to post thoughts and observations about the game. Ask questions and try to figure out what went wrong (and right) with your play and how you can learn from it and improve. Be polite in pointing out mistakes made by others! Conversely, if someone points something out, learn from it – don’t get offended!!

My Observations
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TL - WAY too obvious. Even without the crumbs, your complete 180° reversal of your position on shotty from Day 1 to Day 2 screamed Cop.

Avish - your self-hammer helped the town along to a loss. Don't ever vote for yourself as Town. By voting for yourself, you effectively voted for the only confirmed Town role in the game as far as you were concerned.



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Post Post #544 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:35 am

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Leech, I have to agree with TL on this one. If someone posts walls o' text on a regular basis, that's not in and of itself a scumtell. HOWEVER, if those walls o' text are just fluff, with no real scumhunting going on, then that IS a scumtell. It's not so much the wall that's the tell in that instance, it's the fact that you've written a dissertation and said absolutely nothing relevant towards the goal of catching scum.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:17 am

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I'm not trying to argue whether Leech's walls contained scumhunting or not. I'm commenting on the general argument being espoused between Leech and TL in 542/543.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #42) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:43 am

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