Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Nikanor]

Hi.

[Nikanor]

Vote: -Empking.

Would any of you mind if I talked like t)(is wit)( t)(e )(s for t)(e rest of t)(e game?

Glork: If you're town, do you think it was a good idea to go around telling everyone what a great idea it would be for scum to shoot Jack tonight?

[Nikanor]

Not posting it doesn't mean that nobody else is thinking it. Don't even try this sort of non-logic with me.

I wasn't thinking it and UK wasn't thinking it. If neither of us were thinking it, then nobody was!

That said, thank you for outing yourself as LMP's scumbuddy.

Quand sont les fromages?

What makes you too good to count mod votes >=[!!

I count mod votes. Tar counts mod votes.

[Nikanor]

1. His non-direct attacks against Glork.
2. His silliness on page 4.
3. His ignoring of your own posts.

1. My question to Glork wasn't an attack at all. I was simply wondering what he was thinking. Is that such a crime?
2. Silliness ON PAGE FOUR is not a scumtell. I would agree that silliness on page ten is a scumtell, but not when the RVS is just ending.
3. Try explaining to me why you find LMP scummy, because I'm not seeing it.

Wow, by page 3. That's a new record.

If this were a question, I'm sure I'd be answering it in such a way that would have you taking the most pro-town course of action in response to my answer.

Antihero, how is that deflection at all? I don't recall attacking anyone in that post.

[Nikanor]

[Nikanor]

Also, I'm kind of in a good mood today because I finally got hired at a job, four days before I would have lost my house for lack of money to pay my landlord. Expect embellished sentences and whatnot.

[Nikanor]

Oh.
I meant that neither of us agreed with him.

[Nikanor]

Gee whiz Glork, I dunno. I don't think I agree with any of those steps.

[Nikanor]

Hey Antihero, how about you respond to what I said to you.
Hey Empking, how about you respond to what I said to you.

[Nikanor]

1. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
2. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
3. I've already said what I consider the big slip at the time was.

So because LMP had a different opinion, he's scum. Gotcha.

Haylen: Jack isn't an SK. If he isn't actually a PR, he's going to get lynched eventually. Unless he's playing to lose, he's not an SK.

I don't know if this is some kind of joke or what, but this doesn't address Glork's point. At all.

Here, I'll address Glork's point in a way you might understand.
What I meant to say was that just because not nobody else was thinking it, doesn't mean that everybody was thinking it.

Nikanor, how come you haven't moaned at Jack for giving the SK advice on who to kill? How is Jack's post different to the one of Glork's you had a problem with earlier?

What Jack said. You didn't see me giving Glork flack for asking the SK to kill me.

Empking is suspicious for his craplogic against me, so I'm going to leave my vote there for the time being. The people who haven't posted much yet need to get in here.

[Nikanor]

I'm not going to sit here and bullshit myself that all of the scumbags are freaking morons, so I'd rather make sure that the freaking morons in the town are aware of what's going on. Believe me. If I were scum, I'd keep completely silent about it and just do it anyway. Because that's how I operate. Scum have even LESS reason to bring it up than anybody in the town.

I'm still not accusing you. I'm just saying it was kind of a dumb thing to say.

Page 4 and LMP still reeks scum. I'm just not sold on Nikanor(yet.).

You make it sound as if LMP and I are inseparably bonded or something.
You also make it sound as if you want to be convinced that I'm scum.
Why is Xine scummier than LMP, in your mind?

[Nikanor]

But, I dislike it when it's just 1 wagon rolling along. I think we have a better shot at catching more scum if we do competing wagons. (Competing wagons are <3.)

Lynching scum is better.

It looks like my Empking vote stocks are rising in value. :OOOOO

[Nikanor]

Fucking Conciseness: How does it work!?

First, you tie a magnet to each hand. Then you type. The post you make will probably be quite short.

Surely Glorkscum has no need to give scum advice on who to kill in-thread because he can just give that advice at Night? Or is your issue with Glork's advice that you don't think the scum would have thought to kill a claimed power role if left to their own devices?

I said it was a dumb idea. I'm starting to suspect Glork, but not because of his advice-giving.

Why is giving advice to the SK acceptable if giving advice to the mafia isn't? Or are there specific things about Jack's SK advice that makes it OK?

Because saying, "KILL THIS GUY PLZ" doesn't have an effect on the SK's actions. If people started saying, "The SK should kill all of the power roles, and here's why: (Not actually true; the town's power roles aren't a threat to the SK)," I'd take issue with that.

I'm not really seeing how there aren't more votes on Empking. Can somebody explain to me why there aren't more votes on Empking?

[Nikanor]

The only reason for why I'm not voting Glork is meta.

Empking is scummy because I said so. And, to a lesser extent, because Yos said so.

I can see UK as scum too, although I'm not saying why lest my awesome meta tells be exposed.

The Snakewagon is dumb and stupid and dumb. Snake, how many games have you played?

[Nikanor]

until that happens I see no reason to assume you are anything but scum.

Reread this and tell me this doesn't look stupid.

I think that Snake and Haylen are town because they are acting like town.

LMP, do you find Haylen scummy? How about Snake?

[Nikanor]

@Nikanor: I'm afraid I don't see your point. I've explained, I thought rather clearly, why snake's behavior is indicative of scum. For those that missed it, it's the fact that he refuses to do anything actively pro town, create cases that make any sort of sense outside of "THEY ATTACKED ME >=[!", and overall do anything remotely pro town.

So basically, you're saying he's guilty until he proves himself town.
The thing is, he's a complete newb. I don't find it that surprising that he hasn't done anything pro-town or made any cases. He's just an easy target.
The first four members of his wagon are Antihero, eldarad, Xine and mothrax. Not only do I believe that at least one of those four is scum, I believe that none of those four would bus a buddy that quickly in a 20p game.

Yes, my last post is redundant. Some people miss it the first time. It's really the only point I

need

have to stand on.

FTFY.

I already said I find Haylen lazy, not necessarily scummy, and I'm voting Snake. Isn't this obvious?

Not when you're attacking Haylen.

[Nikanor]

The SK is probably one of Antihero, eldarad and Xine for reasons that I'd rather not get into right now.

Let's start with Xine, since she has a decent chance of being either one.

Vote: Xine.

[Nikanor]

In the last Picking Simplicity game I played (link), we got bitten hard for not lynching the SK until day five. I don't really want to see that happening again.
Plus, I've narrowed down the potential SKs to three people, so y'know. If we can get the SK to claim, we can use him as a vig and get two lynches for the price of one.

[Nikanor]

If the SK is asked to claim, he has three options:
a) Claim vanilla townie. He's lynched for it and loses immediately.
b) Claim a power role. He's counter-claimed and loses either that day or the next.
c) Claim serial killer. This is the only chance he has at winning, because this way he can make it to a kingmaker scenario.

With any of these three, the outlook is bleak for him if he is forced to claim, but the only way he has a chance of winning is by claiming SK.

[Nikanor]

You look like you want to be convinced.

[Nikanor]

Xine has a decent chance of being either SK or mafia, though. I doubt Lowell is SK. I don't see any reason for why Lowell would kill the guy he was voting at the end of d1.

[Nikanor]

She's done nothing this game that helps us. Only blithered random bullshit and essentially claimed she couldn't scumhunt D1, which is bullshit.

Yeah, that just about sums up Haylen's playstyle as both alignments. Good job pointing out the obvious. Now how about hunting for scum?

[Nikanor]

You apparently missed where I said meta is trash. If she's going to be fucking useless as either alignment, then she should be lynched until she starts playing.

Or, to rephrase, "I've already said that I don't consider meta valid so don't try to use that to figure out that my vote is crap."
I'm glad you're acknowledging that my meta is valid with your second sentence, though. If you really think that meta is worth nothing, it means you know that Haylen is town.

Unvote. Vote: AGar.

Thx 4 claiming scum.

[Nikanor]

@AGar's post: First, being abrasive is a scumtell if you aren't abrasive as town.
Second, your argument about being good as scum is dumb. You obviously can't use meta properly. Just because you haven't fucked up in the past doesn't mean that you can't fuck up in this game.
Third, I'm not trying to improve the site and rid it of VIs and whatnot. I'm trying to win

this

game, and I believe that lynching Haylen will not help me win this game.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, do you still think Emp is scum?

Yes.
Not reading anything else right now, sorry.

[Nikanor]

Hey, catching up on the last ten or so pages now.

[Nikanor]

Sorry, but I'm flaking. I can't deal with mafia right now.