Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

Scene to be added later.

Antihero, Sosuke Aizen, Hypnotist, has been lynched!

It is now

Night Four

. Choices are due October 27, at 1:30 p.m. CST.

[petroleumjelly]

Scene to be added later.

MehPlusRawr, Magician Tracker, has been killed!

It is now

Day Five

. With

8

alive it takes

5

to lynch, and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is November 10, 10:30 p.m. CST.

[Toogeloo]

Man, the end of day was awesome. High Five SpyreX. Not only did we get Anti, but Kat more or less outed himself with that blatant fishing attempt. MPR had no reason to counter claim, not with Anti at L-1, in fact he was suspected so much that he could have probably made it to end game and eventually had the whole scum team pegged. But we got this. Kat's fishing attempt for results makes him look awful, and let's not forget his less than stellar performance thus far.

As for me, I didn't use my Roleblock last night. I was hoping that I might be able to skate by without blowing it just yet.

Vote: Katsuki

[GhostWriter]

First things first, having Aizen as a Hypnotist? Petroleum, as an avid Bleach fan (completely up to date with the Japanese manga releases), I think I just might love you for that.

Back to the game, Toog, it's further than that. The lynch occurred right after the counter-claim. Meaning Kats had NO reason talking. None.

VOTE: Katsuki

[Katsuki]

I are not scum.

I did lol at the Aizen flip though.

@toogo: Explain the so-called "fishing" attempt.

[Toogeloo]

Right after Anti hammered himself, you went "oho, this is interesting," followed by requesting track results from MPR, but MPR had just stated he had not followed anyone to a kill, which leads me to believe you only wanted the results to see if you or your partner needed to come up with Power Fake Claims.

[Katsuki]

No.

At the time, I had JUST saw your JAOT claim, so I was thinking about the lack of a NK N2. Paranoia semi-took over, as it means one of three things.

1. You are telling the truth about doc-ing GW, in which you are both town.
2. The scum lies in the inactives, aka spy+DGB scum team. Considering that anti flipped scum, I find this pairing now unlikely.
3. Scum did not kill, and tried to hypnotize. I do not know how plausible this is.

If it is not 2 or 3, then toogeloo and GW are confirmed town.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You do realize MPR claiming his results would've been a good thing, Toogeloo?

Going to do a re-read as soon as possible and reconsider my suspicions.

[DrippingGoofball]

Guys, if I understand this game correctly, it's quite likely that CES is scum, and I would be very much obliged if he were chosen for today's lynch.

[SpyreX]

That can -probably- happen.

HOWEVER, also on the ballot for happening real soon is Elli and Kat cleaning up their lover's tryst and Kat coming clean.

Additionally, Genma-chan you do anything cool and or useful before we powerstomp?

[Katsuki]

Ok I just caught up on the later half of D3. Does anyone find this statement worrisome?

also, more people need to vote Toogeloo or show me nicely and clearly why I should vote someone else. If you already did and I missed it, show me where.

This was Tasky #711, which came after toogeloo's roleclaim in #649. I don't think tasky ever commented on toogeloo claim either, but I'll doublecheck after I get home.

I am running out of time, and must go to class. Meanwhile, can you get an updated votecount analysis up DGB? I completely missed your VC analysis D3.

[SpyreX]

GOD IN HEAVEN YOU WILL ACQUIESCE OR BE DEALT WITH

[DrippingGoofball]

UPDATE!!!!, oh yeah, and GW-town!

3

MehPlusRawr

(

Fate

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Toogeloo

)
1

danakillsu

(

Razgriz

)
1

Fate

(

Antihero

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 9 – SpyreX,

budja

,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

gandalf5166

,

GhostWriter

, Katsuki,

MehPlusRawr

, Cogito Ergo Sum

5

MehPlusRawr

(

DrippingGoofball

,

gandalf5166

, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Razgriz

,

danakillsu

)
1

Tasky

(Katsuki)
1

Fate

(

Antihero

)
1

gandalf5166

(

Fate

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 6 – SpyreX,

budja

, Ellibereth,

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

,

Toogeloo

5

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum,

DrippingGoofball

,

danakillsu

)
2

Fate

(

Antihero

,

gandalf5166

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

MehPlusRawr

(

Razgriz

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 5 – SpyreX, Ellibereth,

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

,

Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum,

DrippingGoofball

,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

)
2

Fate

(

Antihero

,

gandalf5166

)
1

danakillsu

(

GhostWriter

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 3 – SpyreX,

MehPlusRawr

,

Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum,

DrippingGoofball

,

danakillsu

,

Razgriz

, Ellibereth)
2

Fate

(

Antihero

,

gandalf5166

)
1 SpyreX (

MehPlusRawr

)
1

danakillsu

(

GhostWriter

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 2 – SpyreX,

Toogeloo

7

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum,

DrippingGoofball

,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

)
2

Fate

(

Antihero

,

gandalf5166

)
1

danakillsu

(

GhostWriter

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Razgriz

(

MehPlusRawr

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 2 – SpyreX,

Toogeloo

8

gandalf5166

(

Fate

, Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum,

DrippingGoofball

,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

Razgriz

,

Toogeloo

)
1

danakillsu

(

GhostWriter

)
1

Fate

(

gandalf5166

)
1 Katsuki (

budja

)
1

Razgriz

(

MehPlusRawr

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 2 –

Antihero

, SpyreX

Day 2

5

danakillsu

(

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

,

Toogeloo

,

Antihero

,

Razgriz

)
1 SpyreX (Ellibereth)
1

Razgriz

(Katsuki)
1

Toogeloo

(

danakillsu

)
Not Voting – 5 –

Tasky

, SpyreX,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

, Cogito Ergo Sum

6

Razgriz

(Katsuki,

danakillsu

,

Antihero

,

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

, Ellibereth)
2

danakillsu

(

Toogeloo

,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 5 –

Tasky

, SpyreX,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

, Cogito Ergo Sum

5

Razgriz

(

danakillsu

,

Antihero

,

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

, Ellibereth)
2

danakillsu

(

Toogeloo

,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 6 –

Tasky

, SpyreX, Katsuki,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

, Cogito Ergo Sum

7

Razgriz

(

danakillsu

,

Antihero

,

GhostWriter

,

MehPlusRawr

, Ellibereth,

Toogeloo

,

Razgriz

)
Not Voting – 6 – SpyreX, Katsuki,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Tasky

, Cogito Ergo Sum

Day 3

2

danakillsu

(Katsuki,

MehPlusRawr

)
1 SpyreX (Cogito Ergo Sum)
Not Voting – 9 –

Antihero

, SpyreX,

danakillsu

, Ellibereth,

GhostWriter

,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Tasky

,

Toogeloo

5

danakillsu

(Katsuki,

MehPlusRawr

, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth,

budja

)
1 Katsuki (

danakillsu

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 5 –

Antihero

, SpyreX ,

DrippingGoofball

,

GhostWriter

,

Toogeloo

7

danakillsu

(Katsuki,

MehPlusRawr

, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth,

budja

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Toogeloo

)
1 Katsuki (

danakillsu

)
1

Toogeloo

(

Tasky

)
Not Voting – 3 –

Antihero

, SpyreX ,

GhostWriter

Day 4

6

Antihero

(SpyreX, Toogeloo,

DrippingGoofball

, Ellibereth,

MehPlusRawr

,

Antihero

)
2 SpyreX (Cogito Ergo Sum, Katsuki)
1 Cogito Ergo Sum (

GhostWriter

)
1 Ellibereth (

Tasky

)

========================

33 (Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth)
33 (Katsuki, Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth)
33 (SpyreX, Toogeloo, Ellibereth)

99 Ellibereth
66 CES
66 Katsuki
33 Toogeloo
33 SpyreX

[DrippingGoofball]

We still need to lynch CES.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: CES

[Tasky]

hi. good morning everybody.
just checking in. don't have time to post right now.
will look over things tomorrow.

[Ellibereth]

/check in.
Uh yeah, will do stuff
Tomorrow...night...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I finished my re-read, but I don't feel all that much wiser. I'll probably do some ISOs later.

I did note all the relevant quotings (I excluded the ones that had the nightkilled as quotee and ones that had flipped townies as quoters):
Day 1:
Toogeloo quotes DGB
CES quotes Ellibereth
Razgriz quotes MehPlusRawr

Day 2:
Razgriz quotes MehPlusRawr
Katsuki quotes Ellibereth & Toogeloo

Day 3:
GhostWriter quotes dana

Day 4:
Anti quotes Toogeloo
DGB quotes CES, SpyreX and Toogeloo
Tasky quotes DrippingGoofball

Which seems to show we're missing something. Day 3 is especially puzzling.

[Toogeloo]

My guess is that quoting is for superfluous actions, like roleblocking or scanning or what ever scum may have. The quoting specifically mentions extra actions which seem to stand above and beyond the standard night kill. It's possible scum have extra actions, but they can't just make a habit of quoting every single game day, they need to be more sly than that. Most of us are habitual quoters as well, which makes it easier for scum to slip in a quote now and again. I would pay more particular notice to the fact that there were 5 quotes on Day 4 (more than the other days), the day that two power roles exposed themselves, than the fact that there are less quotes previous, and Anti (known scum) quoted me in particular which is somewhat worrying. Raz also quoted MPR on Day 2.

Now, the next question would be whether it is important that the quoter live or not. Raz and Anti both died the days they were lynched, but does it matter and the scum team use those quotes anyways, or would it only be important for them in particular? The Master sounds like it could have been power, and Sosuke Aizen was named similar to gandalf which could possibly be a similar psychic style role that knows if he is targeted? Too much guess work I think. It's more important that we just don't quote at all, as we should have been doing the entire game.


@SpyreX, like I mentioned in my first post, I actually saved my RB. I think after today I will have a clearer idea who to use it on.


P.S. Happy Scumday CES.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: "Raz and Anti both died the days they were lynched" should read, "Ranz and Anti both quoted the days they were lynched."

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Each night, you may talk with your partners. You may collectively choose a single Hypnotist to hypnotize a single player who is not a part of your group. You will direct that player to kill a player other than himself or herself (unless you happen to target a particularly weak-willed individual).

I hadn't noticed it before but hypnosis is supposed to be the default way of killing according to this sample PM.

[Toogeloo]

I don't put much stock into people who didn't notice rules, especially not this late into the game. Let's not forget Razgriz (known scum) stated this in ISO#30:

Wait quote rule? Ah fuck. I really hate when you forget player-made rules

Not enough for me to flip out on you over, but you are on the short list of players.

[SpyreX]

Thats actually why I'm more than a little irritated with the tracker not claiming - targets targeting people who didn't die ACTUALLY have far more chance to be scum than not in this setup.

But, whatevs. I want the Kat business dealt with and cleaned out ON BOTH SIDES and then we can move forward.

[GhostWriter]

Spy is right: this mess needs to be explained right now. Currently, neither of you is helping us by not telling us anything, and, furthermore, you've been using it as a shield to protect yourself from actually doing anything of use.

[SpyreX]

One more day. One more.

If you dont want to play ball we'll play rope instead.