Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Jack]

I think yos is scum.

[AGar]

Well it matters if you call someone scummy for doing it but not someone else. Isn't this obvious?

What in fuck's sake are you talking about?

[Empking]

3. Because you're the scummiest player so it looks like he's trying to avoid a connection.

LMP had only made a few posts by this point, and none of them looked especially scummy to me. Want to explain yourself, empking?
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I'm not certain what you're asking but...
1. There's a reason that point was last.
2. LMP liked Jack's claim. Town was like "Ugh" but LMP had to guess as to the feelings of the town with nothing to go on (he posted first) and he guessed completely wrong.

[Lowell]

I think there's every chance jack is VT and having some fun. As well, with TWO killing factions both intent on destroying each other, the set-up in some ways makes jack's claim safer.

Regardless, I'd agree with the statement "In general, I'd prefer Jack hadn't done that," but I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as to make LMPs enthusiasm the basis for a D1 lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote Lowell

[Nikanor]

Hey Antihero, how about you respond to what I said to you.
Hey Empking, how about you respond to what I said to you.

[Empking]

Nik
1. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
2. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
3. I've already said what I consider the big slip at the time was.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote Lowell

This vote gets an A++.

[Haylen]

I'm not sure what to make of Jack's SK 'obsession', however, I could see the potential for him being SK but I'm not going into that because it's a complete WIFOM argument.

Hey guys,
Who at the present time is the most scummy to you all? and Why?
Will you be happy with lynching Jack if both of those power roles are lynched/night killed? Needless to say, I will certainly be reading himin iso during the night.

Now I'm gonna get back to anime club.

[LimMePls]

I love how LMP tries to rail on me for "disagreeing with Glork" and then uses the "you're parroting" and/or accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum.


MAXIMIZE THE HYPOCRISY.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? Who am I accusing of being scum for disagreeing with me? I want quotes.

Who are these others?

LMP: What are you trying to do with this discussion?

Why does it matter?

I like Empking already.

These two off the top of my head. I think there may have been others. Are you paying attention to the game?

I have no idea what LMP is trying to say.

What exactly is hard to understand. I'll be happy to try and clarfiy if you give me more than this.

On the other hand, this is kind of scummy, in an "overly concerned about what people think about him" kind of way.

That quote wasn't being overly concerned with what others think about me, it was acknowledging that the question was designed to make me look bad no matter how I answered it. I'm not supposed to object to questions like that?

Well it matters if you call someone scummy for doing it but not someone else. Isn't this obvious?

What in fuck's sake are you talking about?

I seriously don't understand how this can be confusing, I've played with you before and I know you're a smart person. Empking says Nikanor's non-sequitor is scummy. I point out that Nikanor's statment was actually just a joke in reference to your non-sequitor. Empking says "A statement in response to a non-sequitor is a non-sequitor" (something I'm not even sure I agree with). So I say if Empking thinks Nikanor doing it is scummy, but doesn't point out when you (AGar) did the same thing, that bears mentioning. Its a double standard. Why is it ok for you to make a joke about "is it ok for me to post in (insert comical posting style)?" but it's not ok when Nikanor did the same thing.

Do I need to quote the posts in order? Will that make it easier to understand?

I'm not certain what you're asking but...
1. There's a reason that point was last.
2. LMP liked Jack's claim. Town was like "Ugh" but LMP had to guess as to the feelings of the town with nothing to go on (he posted first) and he guessed completely wrong.

Bullshit. It wasn't a guess about what others think. I thought it was fine for a number of reasons:

1) I didn't see a scum motivation to a gambit like that (one has since been pointed out to me).
2) Jack could be telling the truth, but scum can't know if targetting him is good or not, since there is likely going to be a protect on him.
3) Jack could be gambiting as a VT. In that case, scum might just kill him (instead of a PR), or if he gets protected, scum waste an NK.
4) Jack's meta is full of D1 gambits like this, increasing the WIFOM quotient for the scum, and making their ability to guess whether he is telling the truth or not very difficult.

Lets not forget it also gave us something concrete to talk about, leading us out of RVS. For all those reasons, I was fine with his claim.

Who at the present time is the most scummy to you all? and Why?
Will you be happy with lynching Jack if both of those power roles are lynched/night killed? Needless to say, I will certainly be reading himin iso during the night.

Antihero, I've already explained why.
No. I find Jack gambiting-town in this situation pretty likely.

Why don't YOU answer these questions? We've all been participating in the game, and for most of us our answers are apparent from reading the thread.

[Glork]

I love how LMP tries to rail on me for "disagreeing with Glork" and then uses the "you're parroting" and/or accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum.


MAXIMIZE THE HYPOCRISY.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? Who am I accusing of being scum for disagreeing with me? I want quotes.

Read again, genius. I didn't say you accused them of scum BECAUSE they disagreed with you. But you've attacked everyone who has happened to share a different opinion of you, a mere page after you tried to get me in trouble for doing the same thing.

[Jack]

who cares?

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.02

LynchMePls - 4 - Glork, Empking, eldarad, Azazel
Empking - 2 - Lowell, Nikanor
Lowell - 2 - VasudeVa, UncertainKitten
Sudo_Nym - 2 - SnakePlissken, Xine
Agar - 1 - mothrax
Antihero - 1 - LynchMePls
Glork - 1 - AGar
Haylen - 1 - Haylen
Nikanor - 1 - Antihero
Xine - 1 - Jack

Not Voting: CJMiller, Far_Cry, Sudo_Nym, Yosarian2

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: November 17

Random notes:

-- Searching for a replacement for Far_Cry

[LimMePls]

I love how LMP tries to rail on me for "disagreeing with Glork" and then uses the "you're parroting" and/or accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum.


MAXIMIZE THE HYPOCRISY.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? Who am I accusing of being scum for disagreeing with me? I want quotes.

Read again, genius. I didn't say you accused them of scum BECAUSE they disagreed with you. But you've attacked everyone who has happened to share a different opinion of you, a mere page after you tried to get me in trouble for doing the same thing.

This is a lie. Off the top of my head I know UK has said she finds me scummy, and I've never attacked UK. I'm sure there are others too.

[Haylen]

Why don't YOU answer these questions? We've all been participating in the game, and for most of us our answers are apparent from reading the thread

Don't feel like it right now. I'm ill. I find it difficult to get any kind of read on Day One and prefer to try to gather information in the best ways I can - the first of which has not worked this game. I will however

Unvote Vote Lowell

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[Haylen]

PS. You don't need to get so effing defensive over a couple of simple questions a person asks to try and scumhunt.

[Antihero]

These two off the top of my head. I think there may have been others. Are you paying attention to the game?

Yeah, I don't see anything about nitpicking in either of those posts.

Please try again.

@Nik:

Glork calling you down on your BS logic of:

Not posting it doesn't mean that nobody else is thinking it. Don't even try this sort of non-logic with me.

elicited this response:

I wasn't thinking it and UK wasn't thinking it. If neither of us were thinking it, then nobody was!

I don't know if this is some kind of joke or what, but this doesn't address Glork's point. At all.

Who at the present time is the most scummy to you all? and Why?

Nik for the crappy attacks, and LMP for both nitpicking and crappy attacks.

Will you be happy with lynching Jack if both of those power roles are lynched/night killed?

I don't see how continued discussion about this right now is pro-town in any way.

Needless to say, I will certainly be reading himin iso during the night.

This is bizarre. Why are you waiting until then? Do you mean RL night or game night?

[Sudo_Nym]

Holy crap, you guys post quick. I'm here, I was just working.

I think yos is scum.

The oddest post I've seen that hasn't been commented on. Is there any special reason for this?

[Haylen]

Antihero, you try isoing someone when there isn't much to ISO

[Jack]

Holy crap, you guys post quick. I'm here, I was just working.

I think yos is scum.

The oddest post I've seen that hasn't been commented on. Is there any special reason for this?

Context, my friend.

[UncertainKitten]

Maybe I'd understand if every post you made wasn't a quote stripe wall, LMP ^-^.

[eldarad]

I also never claimed that antihero was scum. In fact, I even made a disclaimer in the post that I voted that I didn't think that antihero was scum persay but that voting him was better than alternatives available at the time.

Oh, you put a disclaimer in your post when you voted? That makes it alright then!

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Nikanor, how come you haven't moaned at Jack for giving the SK advice on who to kill? How is Jack's post different to the one of Glork's you had a problem with earlier?

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@Haylen - I don't really have a scumread on anyone at the moment. I'm interested in LMP and Nik, and I guess Azazel to a lesser extent, based solely on the quote above.

[Jack]

Nikanor, how come you haven't moaned at Jack for giving the SK advice on who to kill? How is Jack's post different to the one of Glork's you had a problem with earlier?

fos:elderad

How is advising the sk to kill scum similar to advising the scum to kill a town pr? Careless fake scumhunting

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LynchMePls

You're trying to paint me as scum for something I never even referenced. I made my joke, yes, and then never followed up on it. Not once did I mention Nikanor's play on my joke, I asked why you insisted on bringing it up. I said I like Empking because he was echoing the sentiment of why are you bringing it up.

[Nikanor]

1. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
2. No it wasn't! Yes it was! No it wasn't! Yes it was!
3. I've already said what I consider the big slip at the time was.

So because LMP had a different opinion, he's scum. Gotcha.

Haylen: Jack isn't an SK. If he isn't actually a PR, he's going to get lynched eventually. Unless he's playing to lose, he's not an SK.

I don't know if this is some kind of joke or what, but this doesn't address Glork's point. At all.

Here, I'll address Glork's point in a way you might understand.
What I meant to say was that just because not nobody else was thinking it, doesn't mean that everybody was thinking it.

Nikanor, how come you haven't moaned at Jack for giving the SK advice on who to kill? How is Jack's post different to the one of Glork's you had a problem with earlier?

What Jack said. You didn't see me giving Glork flack for asking the SK to kill me.

Empking is suspicious for his craplogic against me, so I'm going to leave my vote there for the time being. The people who haven't posted much yet need to get in here.