Against the rules?Nobody Special wrote:IMO, avatar bets are pointless and distracting, and at times, against the rules.
I'm sorry, I've never heard of avatar bets or anything and have no idea what they mean.
Against the rules?Nobody Special wrote:IMO, avatar bets are pointless and distracting, and at times, against the rules.
Your theory isn't much of a reason to lynch him.chesskid3 wrote:In TL's fascinating ISO, we have the following:
#0,1,2,3,4 deal with an RVS lynch on the mod. My theory on this is it was an attempt at a joke to make him seem like he was just along for the fun of the game (which is what town are, in for the fun of scumhunting).
I looked at it, and he seems to be voting you for joining a bandwagon for the sake of joining a bandwagon. That is not the same thing as voting someone for voting you.chesskid3 wrote: Wagon forms on him as a joke in response to a joke, and he reacts with a nice helping of OMGUS.
Considering how Nobody Special was the one who unvoted TheLonging, I don't see how TheLonging would be the buddier here. Even if what you say is true, it would be NS buddying.chesskid3 wrote:Then we get this. Remember this for later, it's kind of funny.This is in response to my pointing out NS's unvote when TL was at L-3.TheLonging wrote:I don't give a shit about NS, and he's not buddying, but feel free to point out examples.
I react in a dismissive way of his crappy omgus vote, and he goes on the attack.Spot the backtracking between point 1 and 2 for a bonus point! Point 1: I didn't buddyTheLonging wrote:You... you can't explain the false accusations you have against me for buddying. That's unbelievable.chesskid3 wrote:Try reading the thread.
So NS unvoted me, thus we're scum and/or he's buddying up to me and/or I'm buddying up to him? If this is the only reason you're calling me scum, I expect you to make no reservations calling everyone in this game scum.
Point 2: Lol yeah ok so I did buddy but everyone does it. (The classic HEY LOOK EVERYONE IS DOING IT tell)
His trying to distance himself from accusations of buddying is indeed irregular.chesskid3 wrote:ISO #8 is more of the same, bolded the important parthe voted me because NS unvoted for me, which means us 2 must be buddying, when in reality, I couldn't give a shit if NS was lynched and I don't care that he's trying to buddy up with me.
oh and this."I think TLing (I like that, it's short and cool) is a bit ... opportunistic about distancing from me. Trust me on this, if nothing else, he and I are NOT buddies in any sense."
I interpreted this as "I hope you are going to FoS anyone unvoting someone who's being bandwagoned for the entirety of this game."chesskid3 wrote:ISO #9,10,11,12,13 are junk
ISO #14 is useless too.
ISO #15:
if you play for more this game, I expect you to do this to every single goddamn wagon. And I want to see how accurate this is. It isn't, seeing as how you've only played for 2 months though, I give you some leeway thinking this way.
Continuing the yes there is buddying but it doesn't mean anything argument.
Also tries to say his vote wasn't OMGUS, but was rather wagon analysis, when the only analysis possible on it was "Hey let's run someone up to L-2 for fun"/ and then voting the largest wagon. theInterestingpart of that wagon was NS's hopOFF, which he completely ignored.
I don't associate forgetting who you're voting with being town or scum, just poor play.chesskid3 wrote: "
I am voting Tasky for wagon jumping (and the timing of the vote), his laziness to explain reading, his attitude seems like a really bad attempt at being genuinely defensive, and the fact that he tries to draw a link to me and NS, despite the fact that it's not even the fact that what NS did was not close to buddying; it's a really cheap tactic to draw up reasoning to try and call me scum later on."
His vote was on me when this was posted - forgetting where vote is, Scumpoints for u.
His contradicting views of CooLDoG's innocence is also suspicious.chesskid3 wrote:ISO 21/22 "Hey what do you know, Cooldog was scum. This was not surprising at all. goddammit, I meant town" Fishing for towncred, really?
ISO 27 "Read that quote again. Cooldog is trying to set up WIFOM and almost carries a tone like "Oh I don't really believe what I am saying", and then puts a light FoS on Wingless"
Real classy. Remember your fake reads on people, please.
Good point.chesskid3 wrote:ISO 28:I don't know who I was voting, but fuck this
ISO 33:Uprising has been far too used to IRC mafia, and I don't use meta to decide on town/scum players so meh.
ISO 34:I had a gut feeling NS was town because he was like this in every other game he was in.
HO HO HO HO DO MINE EYES DECIEVE ME? More towncred fishing plus a blatant contradiction in CONSECUTIVE POSTS.
I believe he meant that it was a role that made a lot more sense as a mafia role than as a town role.chesskid3 wrote:ISo 35 starts the lolol that's a scum PR wagon, which is a bunch of bull. with 0 flips, we have no idea what is or isn't a scum pr, not to mention the part where scum get fake role pms, and I'm fairly sure they aren't going to be bad fakeclaims.
It is buddying (by your definition), but this is the first instance of TheLonging buddying you've pointed out.chesskid3 wrote:ISO 36: And BTW, NS has somewhat of a motive for his lulzy play. Moo just has scummy play and claims a role that'd work a lot better for scum.
Totally not buddying, amirite?
Your case against TheLonging isn't bad, but most of your points are invalid. I still find Uprising to be a much better day 1 lynch.chesskid3 wrote:Vote: TheLonging
Lets get this wagon going.
Enigma wrote:Fast forwarding to the next page, we see multiple people coming in and saying they agree with the Chess case. They don't say what they agree with or even discuss why they find him scummy, just use it as an excuse to jump on the TL wagon as scum.
Maybe it's me, but I actually tried to read the whole case properly next to TL ISO, to decide if I would be willing to hammer TL. I just can't find the same enthutisuam as the others (Tasky, Zang, Exe and Uprising). So these guys gain some more scum points. I'll do a bet that there is at least one, most likely 2 scum in this group.
Exactly. Stuff like this is not part of the game. It is just as insane to bet $50 on your allignment. It shouldn't be part of the game.Nobody Special wrote:Some Mods have specific rules against outside-the-game wagers. I can't recall who at this moment.
Avatar bets are, as I thought had been said earlier, where twoidiotsplayers make a wager, the outcome to be determined later, and the loser has to change their avatar to something stupid, inane, or demoralizing.
As I said, pointless.
No. He should shoot. If he can't think of anything, he can still shoot lurkers, or players who were voted a lot. As long as he shoots people who are going to be lynched, he can't go wrong. Do the maths. A vig shooting in the end gives to more opportunities to kill someone, and the mafia less.CooLDoG, I'm unsure of whether it's popular for vigilantes to shoot, but I'm of the opinion that it would be wisest to abstain from shooting tonight, unless you have areallygood lead. I think the way you've reacted is fairly pro-town; a mafia member would've likely argued against shooting and pointed out the detrimental aspects of it so as to avoid suspicion when they can't prove their claim. Proving that you're innocent isn't really that important, anyway.
chesskid3 wrote:Based on the really fast wagonhops onto the TL wagon though, a flip would be nice soon. IDK, we have more time now which is awesome. One of Uprising or TL will be today's lynch, I agree.
just got back from the rally to restore sanity will reread what happened while I was gone tomorrow
Why aren't you sticking with your wagon, now that it probably won't lead to a lynch? I thought you were so convinced?chesskid3 wrote:There is no case on NS other than his role PM.
The case on Uprising is crap too, though he might actually be scum.
I'm voting Uprising. NS is second choice. I do not like that you are misrepping the long NS case, and that you place the false dichotomy that we have to pick between Uprising and TL. The NS wagon has had plenty of support and it ischesskid3 wrote:BECAUSE NS ISN'T SCUM. WHY ARE YOU TUNNELING HIM, FOR THE REVERSE QUESTION?
I'm ok with abandoning my case on TL because I'm confident he will be dead soon, and Uprising is #2 on my scumlist.
I'll do the maths for you. Assuming that there is no other killing role then you and scum:CooLDoG wrote:A no-kill is still an option if I don't find anyone who is likely scum.
I'm the type of player who doubts that the lynch is more effective then the vig. Esspecially with a good player as vig, he can be more accurate then the lynch, as the vig is 100% town. The lynch always has scum influence.chesskid3 wrote:why is it so hard to understand that while lynching VIs can help avoid misslynches at lylo, it is one of the worst possible lynches you can do because you get no information from it? Are you really this thick, or are you scum deliberately NOT getting the memo?
I fully support vigging VIs. I will never support lynching them.
Why would you want him dead if you don't think he's scum? Anti-town play can only hurt you if you actually listen to him. Ignoring them (if you know that they're innocent for sure) makes them a dead weight.chesskid3 wrote:absolutely no scum motivation for his play. He's painting a huge vig target on his face, and honestly I would be happy if he were dead, because he's anti-town, but he's not scum, so a lynch on him would get no information.
Vigging also doesn't allow the targeted player to defend themselves, provide a claim, contribute their fullest, and it's always affected by any mistakes the vig might've made in reading/interpreting. But, yeah, if CooLDoG has a worthy target, I guess he should shoot. If he's just shooting for the sake of clearing himself, I don't think he should.Charnel wrote:I'm the type of player who doubts that the lynch is more effective then the vig. Esspecially with a good player as vig, he can be more accurate then the lynch, as the vig is 100% town. The lynch always has scum influence.chesskid3 wrote:why is it so hard to understand that while lynching VIs can help avoid misslynches at lylo, it is one of the worst possible lynches you can do because you get no information from it? Are you really this thick, or are you scum deliberately NOT getting the memo?
I fully support vigging VIs. I will never support lynching them.
If we really want to do the information argument (while it is most times silly and hardly ever protown), the NS wagon would give double the information. He got to L-1 before, so you get to analyse 2 complete wagons. Who bandwagonned, who led, who promised to hammer but stayed off: all those questions could then be answered twice. The fact that his play is scummy has nothing to do with the outcome. Either all those players were right and you are going to look for who bussed and who was honest, or he is town and you are going to look for who bandwagonned and who was honest.
And you really want to rethink calling me stupid. You couldn't be more wrong.