Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[Furcolow]

i got my role pm

[Furcolow]

/confirm

[Furcolow]

is there a character named bob?

[Furcolow]

vote: no lynch

[Furcolow]

Vote: Furcolow

Why no lynch?

I like your reaction, but I don't like RVS bandwagonning necessarily
I dislike HOMJ's OMG ANTI-TOWN.
If I was scum, you really believe I would do that, or let me rephrase this:
Do you think my partners would let me vote no lynch? Don't you believe I would be trying to ask their advice?

unvote

FoS: HOMJ
Town would be sort of neutral on this, even if they voted me. Sort of like what Lord Chronos did. He asked why. You just simply declared something is anti-town. DID YOU EXPECT ME TO EXPECT NO LYNCH TO PASS? LOL.
I didn't.

Anyways, doing this is pro-town in another way. It helps to end the RVS. I fucking love the RVS, but it is anti-town as shit.

[Furcolow]

actually i'll throw down a vote. With HOMJ, his reaction wasn't 100%, so i'm not SURE he's mafia, but i dislike his reaction more than lord chronos's. However, HOMJ and I have a history, and I can understand him wanting to get me lynched. Lord Chronos is just sheeping, and my heart is telling me he would flip scum.

this isn't omgus if i dislike his reaction, right? I mean, who the hell is really going to vote no lynch with a VI? cmon. That's obviously not something I wanted to happen. It's just a ploy, like I saw Ellibereth do in a marathon to indicate he was town in LyLo, he said "

unvote

". I know that is null, as mafia can do that, but he really was town and that's what my heart was telling me.

vote: LC

sorry, bro, i believe you're mafia.

[Furcolow]

Unvote

Vote: Fur

Using WIFOM to give himself town points.

ill provide you with games in which i was scum
here:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 54&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 66&start=0

[Furcolow]

am i still voting for no lynch?
did i expect no lynch to pass?
do you read?

i expect 3 answers

[Furcolow]

ok, and you completely dodged the real question
would my partners let me do that?

[Furcolow]

i'd like for you to look at unvoting, or read my in iso and see the way i play as scum... very unhelpfully.

i know as town, i am unhelpful, but as scum i am way way worse
notice how i tried to end the RVS in this one
feels like i succeeded
isn't that pro-town?

if you want to keep your votes on me, though, i'm not really worried for the town. I'll learn from my mistake, and not try fancy play as town. I'm not near-claim-level, but have considered nameclaiming as a town.

@mod were scum provided fakeclaims for nameclaiming?

[Furcolow]

@mod i asked something in my above

[Furcolow]

do you all want me to claim? L-3

[Furcolow]

if youre admitting your vote on me is weak, why is it there?
if i am your top suspect, you are either scum or your radar is going haywire.

[Furcolow]

that's a valid point. At this stage, I am not really worried if I'm mislynched. It would suck, but it would be better than someone who could do great scumhunting. My scumhunting is very hit or miss from my experience. I might get 3/4 right, or I might whiff. Lynching a different town player who is more consistent would hurt worse than lynching me and just losing a mediocre town player who people believe is a VI. I am improving, sure, but I am not a great player yet.

That being said, I am not scum, so it would be much better to actually lynch scum.

[Furcolow]

my characters name is brandon
i am sort of a scientist or some shit

[Furcolow]

am i allowed to do that?
i dont want to be modkilled

[Furcolow]

I have to catchup. I have company, and we are playing poker, but i will put effort into scumhunting within the next 30 hours intensively in all likelihood.

[Furcolow]

There isn't anything he could be distancing from with me. He could be feigning that, though. I am town.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: homj

I do not feel the need to roleclaim
If the town wants me to, I will. At this point, I see two people voting me who are rolefishing (tony montana, and HOMJ)

you have a nameclaim from me. I am Brandon. I am not going to impart my role to you guys, sorry.
HOMJ, I would like for you to explain how the WIFOM I used is even negative. The WIFOM I used was that if I was mafia, my partners wouldn't ever let me vote no lynch in the RVS. I would be using that as a time to lay down votes on people who were easy mislynches, or possibly distancing myself from my partners by being on seperate wagons or laying down votes/FoS on them for their votes. I might even vote them, come off their wagon, and do so at a key point.

That's not how I've played this game. Sorry I've been away, but if you'll notice yours is the first bandwagon I've been on. I'm not sure if you're town, but I am sure I am so voting you for me > myself being an obvious mislynch.

[Furcolow]

no, i asked you to say HOW it is scummy
explain

you strawman SO MUCH.

[Furcolow]

and im not fucking omgus
my reasoning is self-preservation
i am getting on the biggest wagon because i know i am town
i dont give a fuck about you
quit making false accusations

[Furcolow]

you strawman by not answering questions, or only answering some of them
you have used WIFOM worse than me
you flip flopped from attacking me to defending me to attacking me
you have been flailing for about 3 pages now

the case on me is honestly "durrr he voted no lynch in RVS durr" "OMG HE USED WIFOM AS DEFENSE"

wifom is null in my eyes. sorry people like EMPKING disagree.

[Furcolow]

my wifom is fact
scum wouldnt let me do that
therefore it is "better" than yours. i would consider it NULL compared to yours, though, not "better". wifom is null all around. yours is just less so than normal.

nice AtE btw

[Furcolow]

furthermore, you saying you're "pro-town" doesn't mean I know you're pro-town, therefore i don't know to not vote you; i don't know it's anti-town to vote you

your logic is flawed

you are our lynch

[Furcolow]

furthermore, you saying you're "pro-town" doesn't mean I know you're pro-town, therefore i don't know to not vote you; i don't know it's anti-town to vote you

your logic is flawed

you are our lynch

You realize you are basically using the same logic, saying you are a mislynch. How does anyone know you are town othere than you say so

I just used your own logic so if mine is flawed so is yours

no. you stated it differently. you're talking about my vote being bad because you're town. i can't know that.

you DID NOT say your vote on me is good because you are town
i have no fucking idea if you are town
my vote on you is good because i know it helps preserve town
i would really like the town to wagon someone else other than us, but that's not what is happening.

my wifom is fact
scum wouldnt let me do that
therefore it is "better" than yours. i would consider it NULL compared to yours, though, not "better". wifom is null all around. yours is just less so than normal.

nice AtE btw

How can you say it's fact ?
I'll say it a billion times AtE isn't a scum tell

It's fact because there is no way in hell my mafia team would let me vote NL in the RVS.
I would be bussed quicker than shit.
I'm alive, so ... yeah. Pretty sure I'm town. I am 100% sure, you all should be pretty sure.

I disagree on AtE not being scum-motivated. It can be. It may not be a scumtell, but it can be. It may not be with you, it may be null with you, but it could be a scum tell with you. I haven't played enough with you to know when that is a scum tell or when it isn't.

Given the way you're playing, and the way I've seen you play as scum, I feel pretty safe unvoting you.

unvote

you seem a lot more attentive and pro-town as scum, and you flail a lot less

[Furcolow]

i back off homj and he's still a prick
should have known i would get pushed as soon as i try to be helpful
the last game i was in esurioseptus hosted, I won for the town, and you all aren't letting me fucking repeat my success
this is bullshit

lynch me
whatever
not like im a doctor or anything

[Furcolow]

VOTE: furc

what page is it
what is your reasoning? is it simply ok to just vote at this point?
i don't feel it is
i don't believe we as a town should let people simply vote like that
if the vote was on anyone other than me, i would definitely vote you for that, and i am town
if i would do that as town, if you are town, i would do that as scum

basically, by voting without reasoning, SV, it is lose-lose.

[Furcolow]

basically, the only scenario i wouldn't vote someone who is voting on page 8 with no reasoning is if they're fulfilling these criteria:

1) they are voting with 0 reasoning way past the RVS
2) I am town
3) their vote is on me

otherwise, i would definitely have voted this guy already

also, to the people voting me, who do you all believe my partners are?? because I don't have any.
I know there are town on my wagon, and I urge you to get off of it. I would like to win. I don't know about the show fringe, and the flavor with my role is that i'm a techy scientist who is good at fixing gadget problems... i can fix them... fast.

[Furcolow]

i don't even know how many mafia there are
how many power roles we should have
or what other people are on our side

[Furcolow]

I'm not really sure what to say about Furc's....whining?
Furc, you never replied to my last post:

Furc: Let me get this straight, you vote for HOMJ, go through a trade of posts with him, and unvote him based on meta, correct?
You do realize that your arguments against him are much of the same that he has against you? Your play seems quite similar to his, but you only appear when you're called out it seems. A bit too convenient for my liking.
You say that HOMJ should be our lynch, but as mentioned just above, why not you when you have the same argument, and seem much less cooperative with your answering?
Voting NL being WIFOM is one of the biggest loads of "crap" that I've seen in a while. That is the only main cornerstone difference between your defense over HOMJ's.

Lord, you really think both fur and I are scum together?

Just because he said you two were scummier than someone else, doesn't mean you two have to be scum together. Way to twist words again.

I unvoted him because I've played with him as scum, and he is not playing like that.
I would rather be mislynched as a townie, than lose him if he is a doctor.
Hence why I'm not voting for him, and not going to.

I said HOMJ should be our lynch to get a reaction out of him. I liked the way he reacted. I took my vote off. I am currently not voting.

I appear here when I have time and remember to play mafia. I have no reservations about posting here more or less than any other thread. I am not scared to post here, or nervous, and I will answer any questions.

I figured a lot of the questions you had asked here were sort of rhetorical and self-explanatory.

[Furcolow]

Furc: Let me get this straight, you vote for HOMJ, go through a trade of posts with him, and unvote him based on meta, correct?
You do realize that your arguments against him are much of the same that he has against you? Your play seems quite similar to his, but you only appear when you're called out it seems. A bit too convenient for my liking.
You say that HOMJ should be our lynch, but as mentioned just above, why not you when you have the same argument, and seem much less cooperative with your answering?
Voting NL being WIFOM is one of the biggest loads of "crap" that I've seen in a while. That is the only main cornerstone difference between your defense over HOMJ's.

And one last bit if fact and I'll let people have time to respond, besides coming after me agressive once i voted him, noc has not made any comments to furc or about his case with the exception of the one I quoted. If 5 people so far think he is scummy, how can mr. Noc who has seemed so credible pushing my lynch, completely ignore the largest wagon of the game?

It almost seems noc doesn't want to be involved with a furc lynch

but doesn't ever speak out for or against it, other than whatever he says in this quoted post.

Quite interesting if you ask me. His attack on me is looking more and more like an omgus attack instead of a town trying to scum hunt attack, but again I am biased so I'm curious what others think.

ok, take this into consideration.

if i am scum, and he is scum, he would pretty much know i was going to be lynched and bus me
if i was scum, and he was town, he wouldn't care to vote me
if i was town, and he was scum, though, he wouldn't want to be associated with a mislynch.

[Furcolow]

For my "reasoning" I shall wordlessly point to furc's iso.

That is all.

Do you have a post restriction that prevents you from doing anything helpful at all? Your vote seems more oppurtunistic than anything else.

Major FoS: SV

After Fur I say we go after SV next.

why AFTER a mislynch
why not right now

vote: sv

[Furcolow]

Furc: Let me get this straight, you vote for HOMJ, go through a trade of posts with him, and unvote him based on meta, correct?
You do realize that your arguments against him are much of the same that he has against you? Your play seems quite similar to his, but you only appear when you're called out it seems. A bit too convenient for my liking.
You say that HOMJ should be our lynch, but as mentioned just above, why not you when you have the same argument, and seem much less cooperative with your answering?
Voting NL being WIFOM is one of the biggest loads of "crap" that I've seen in a while. That is the only main cornerstone difference between your defense over HOMJ's.

And one last bit if fact and I'll let people have time to respond, besides coming after me agressive once i voted him, noc has not made any comments to furc or about his case with the exception of the one I quoted. If 5 people so far think he is scummy, how can mr. Noc who has seemed so credible pushing my lynch, completely ignore the largest wagon of the game?

It almost seems noc doesn't want to be involved with a furc lynch

but doesn't ever speak out for or against it, other than whatever he says in this quoted post.

Quite interesting if you ask me. His attack on me is looking more and more like an omgus attack instead of a town trying to scum hunt attack, but again I am biased so I'm curious what others think.

ok, take this into consideration.

if i am scum, and he is scum, he would pretty much know i was going to be lynched and bus me
if i was scum, and he was town, he wouldn't care to vote me
if i was town, and he was scum, though, he wouldn't want to be associated with a mislynch.

Caution below I am typing as if each scenario provided by furc is true

1. Not necessarily, especially if he thought he could convince people to lynch me instead which was working until you just couldn't shut up and convinced town you were the right lynch (if anything if this is true, you have just prevented him from voting you cause now people will wonder if he is bussing)

then that would require me to have not unvoted you. by unvoting you, if i was scum, it would be inane unless you were my partner. we both know this is not the case. if you have partners, i don't know who they are.
also, he's already voting me, so it prevents nothing in the line of that thought. he is not bussing me, because i am not mafia, but if he was bussing me and i was mafia i believe he would continue to do so. i wouldn't blame him. my play has been horrible this game, but it has been horrible as a town slot. sorry, town.

2. If this was true, he definitly would be keeping his option open and be commenting on both cases, pro-town players I don't think would ignore both wagons, ecpecially the largest one and the one that started first. He has completely avoided any serious discussion of it which looks like distancing.

you are assuming everyone is distancing from me.... you are saying lord chronos was distancing from me... who are you going to say is distancing from me next......................... if anyone is, i dont know what they are. that's all i can tell you.

3. Yes now you got it, if this was true he would not want a mislynch so he would either be trying to defend you or ignoring the wagon all together.

well, you at least reply to this correctly. this is likely the case. i am happy with his lynch.

so based on your explanation, technically all 3 still are possible, now I would like nocman to explain his reasoning why he has stayed away from your wagon.

why are you pressuring him to vote me anyways? i have read him as town, but looking at these explanations, it seems logical for him to play the way he has AS SCUM.

I am keeping my vote on Shattered Viewpoint, though, because he hasn't contributed anything.

[Furcolow]

my responses above in bold below your scenarios (the bottom 3 bolded segments)

[Furcolow]

is anyone here?

[Furcolow]

oh, i'm dead, sorry.
mafia were on my wagon yo
i was going to actually scumhunt now. sucks that i don't get to since i'm dead.