Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[Tasky]

@mod: could we get a massprod?

[Toogeloo]

Going through the motions to me means it's the general consensus that scum is in a narrow group of players, and all we are doing is trying to figure out which one should go first.

[Tasky]

^
what narrow group of players do you think scum is in?

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since something has to happen we'll do something:
I'll randomly determine a person (I hope I manage to use the dice-tags), say player A, and that person will pick another player, say B. Then A will post a list of all of us from towniest to scummiest based on how he/she thinks B would make that list. Then B will post his/her list and then pick another player C, etc. until the last player writes a list on how he/she thinks A would make a list and then A posts his/her list.

1.) Tasky
2.) SpyreX
3.) Ellibereth
4.) GhostWriter
5.) Katsuki
6.) DrippingGoofball
7.) Toogeloo
8.) Cogito Ergo Sum

Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (7) = 7

[Tasky]

damn, dice tag fail. someone who's able to use them, please use them.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Five Vote Count #2

3 Katsuki (Toogeloo, GhostWriter, Tasky)
1 Cogito Ergo Sum (DrippingGoofball)

With

8

alive it takes

5

to lynch, and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is November 10, 10:30 p.m. CST.

Not Voting – 4 – Cogito Ergo Sum, Ellibereth, Katsuki, SpyreX

Note

: Cogito Ergo Sum and Ellibereth have been prodded. All other players have posted since Monday.

[DrippingGoofball]

Just for kicks, I got a message that Tasky

WAS HYPNOTIZED

the night before. That's why I have been saying he's town.

[Toogeloo]

what narrow group of players do you think scum is in?

@Tasky
I thought the remaining scum was pretty much in this 4-some:
CES
DGB
Elli
Kat


I scanned Ghost as a Magician, and I may have stopped the night 2 kill which seems like it was Ghost as well.
SpyreX more or less started and pushed the charge on Anti, and made zero attempts to move off it.
Your Day 3 posts really didn't seem faked to me. **Interestingly, DGB adds you were hypnotized earlier in the game, and something is troubling me about that. (more in a sec)**


@DGB
At this point, do you have any qualms claiming? I have some concerns because of the amount of power thus far. I am a Jack (essentially), we've had a Martyr and a person who knows when they were hypnotized flip, a Tracker, and a Watcher... which interestingly seems to be similar to what you are eluding to being, only you seem a little more powerful since you can actually differentiate between someone being hypnotized or not. Town just seems to be getting slightly over powered here. Especially when the dead scum are difficult to determine if they are power or not.

Now if what you claim is true, then you and Tasky aren't scum, and scum almost assuredly rest on CES, Elli, and Kat. Would Elli and Kat really be acting the way they have together as scum? Seems to be painting too large a target on both their backs for both to be scum. But then we also have Tasky, who you are confirming as town, who is putting forth his feelings for the towniness of CES.

Supposing you are lying, which I haven't been comfortable with you all game, then you could have just WIFOMed Tasky as scum or town. What I really don't like though is two watching style roles in a game that already had 5 power claims and flips prior. Adding to this is the fact that you are the worst quoter in the game.



That's about all I got for now. I want Elli in here and posting since he only mentioned V/LA for a few days (which seem to have passed now), and we really need more activity from everyone in general, because something isn't coming together right to me.

[SpyreX]

It may be massclaim time, real, real soon after that gem.

Mayhaps. I need to think on it after catching up on some other madness.

[Tasky]

since something has to happen we'll do something:
I'll randomly determine a person (I hope I manage to use the dice-tags), say player A, and that person will pick another player, say B. Then A will post a list of all of us from towniest to scummiest based on how he/she thinks B would make that list. Then B will post his/her list and then pick another player C, etc. until the last player writes a list on how he/she thinks A would make a list and then A posts his/her list.

1.) Tasky
2.) SpyreX
3.) Ellibereth
4.) GhostWriter
5.) Katsuki
6.) DrippingGoofball
7.) Toogeloo
8.) Cogito Ergo Sum

Original Roll String: 1d8

1 8-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

this. I'll just say that SpyreX starts, arbitrarily.

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Toogeloo. Don't overestimate our power.
1. Tracker is extremely weak in this kind of setup, since kills happen indirectly.
2. DGB doesn't seem to be a real watcher, since he doesn't know

who

hypnotized.
3. The Great Zandolfini is a quite weak role. Knowing that you were hypnotized doesn't really help you to catch scum.
4. The JOAT is the only decent role here. But don't forget that the roleblock rarely works in town's favor and that the chance of actually getting a successful protect or a successful investigation is quite slim.

SpyreX, I do not yet think it's time for a massclaim.

I'd like DGB to explain those "reliable messages" better. And I would like you to share ALL of that messages. since you got two recently, I assume you got one every night.

@mod:

assume scum hypnotizes player A to kill player B. If A get's roleblocked, will B die?

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo. Don't overestimate our power.
1. Tracker is extremely weak in this kind of setup, since kills happen indirectly.
2. DGB doesn't seem to be a real watcher, since he doesn't know who hypnotized.
3. The Great Zandolfini is a quite weak role. Knowing that you were hypnotized doesn't really help you to catch scum.
4. The JOAT is the only decent role here. But don't forget that the roleblock rarely works in town's favor and that the chance of actually getting a successful protect or a successful investigation is quite slim.

You are coloring it a little incorrectly. Confirming town is just as powerful as finding scum.

1. Tracker follows someone to a kill, that player is town. Tracker follows someone to a non-kill, then that player has to either be scum or power. Watcher is also similar in this aspect. Also, because it takes two people to kill, the hypnotist and the hypnotee, it increases the amount of targets plausible for targeting with tracking and watching.
2. DGB can confirm town players based on them being hypnotized.
3. I agree, the Great Zandolfini might be weak for confirmation purposes, but there may be some aspect to it that counters scum, like they can't hypnotize a player again if they know they were hypnotized prior.
4. The investigation confirms a player one way or another, and the Roleblock and Doc are the only real protection in the game.

Conifrming town players is just as potent as catching scum, so with so many roles that do so it is a cause for skepticism.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I agree with Toogeloo. There do appear to be too many information roles.

Reading DGb's iso, she seems to think Anti was town earlier. Considering she votes for him without qualms later, I have to question that early read. Add to that the thinking Fate had been hypnotised and the claimed information role and I'm willing to

Vote: DrippingGoofball

.

[Ellibereth]

I'M BACK.
JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Need to settle in and all that though...will try and get up to date and everything by tomorrow Night.

[SpyreX]

I'm gonna need far more about what you're goal is Tasky with that game because I'm not seeing it.

However, the reason why I was commenting on a massclaim is something isn't adding up and instead of beating against the wall one after another its nice to just get it all out there and send it home.

[Tasky]

^
The goal is to:
1. make everybody commit themselves to their scumreads and townreads.
2. make everybody analyze others better by forcing them to guess THEIR reads.


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oh, I forgot that Fate was a watcher. I agree now that something doesn't add up.
-> I want DGB to explain NOW what those "reliable messages" are about!

[SpyreX]

See, 1 I'm behind.

2 I'm not sure about - it seems like one of those things (because I'll sure tell you I'm not thinking that way and if my list makes an AHA and turns sweet candy into poo I'd be unhappy).

[Tasky]

"because I'll sure tell you I'm not thinking that way and if my list makes an AHA and turns sweet candy into poo I'd be unhappy"

???

[Katsuki]

Wait, what?

DGB claims some sort of hypnotize detector?

I CALL SHENANIGANS!

Vote: DGB

Hint: DGB's role would make gandalf's role pointless. We have gandalf role flip. Hence, DGB is probably lying.

[SpyreX]

I'm not playing the "look into who they're suspecting" kinda game so that kind of list is more white noise and turns into stupid stuff like "What do you MEAN you think I think X is scum: vote"

Kat, elucidate.

[Ellibereth]

The thing with Kats is that I thought he had a guilty on dana, which is why I was talking about not-caring about my own reads.
Then the thing with me and him (at least on my side), was me asking why he didn't hint to me he didn't really have guilty because I thought he knew that I thought that he had a guilty.
The post Spy pointed out I kinda missed though but...
I didn't get what Katsu was saying about the whole Sam thing.

AND SPY, I DIDN'T WANT ALL PEOPLE TO STAY OUT OF OUR BUSINESS. I THOUGHT I WAS BEING WAY TOO SOOOOOOOO OBV.

[Ellibereth]

And readswise...I don't know and I don't feel like figuring it out today.

[petroleumjelly]

Note

: GhostWriter has been prodded.

[SpyreX]

Sorry I keep blaming YOU because when she went "GET OFF MA BUSINESS" you didn't go "WHAT THE HELL"

P.S. we're not deadline lynching.

[GhostWriter]

Deadline lynching? All I know is that DGB is the most likely candidate, and that we seem most likely to have a mislynch today that I'd like to use to see if DGB is mafia.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then vote for DrippingGoofball.

[Tasky]

CES, why do you think DGB is scum?