Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[TonyMontana]

/confirm

[TonyMontana]

vote: zang

obv lurker scum

[TonyMontana]

Vote: Hop

For making up statistics

Vote: SV

For voting the mod, an obvious RVS tactic to avoid voting actual players

Vote: LC

For actually asking SV what he asked. It's a ridiculous question, and I see no reason to ask it.

[TonyMontana]

keep reading, fur

[TonyMontana]

=O esu, you said no season 3 spoilers

[TonyMontana]

i didnt, until you asked.

[TonyMontana]

Why I will vote furcolow:

1. Repeatedly asking whether scum has fakeclaims, even tho it says in the rules that they do.
2. Way to eager to use said fakeclaim.
3. In general, way to defensive (The lady doth protest too much)
4. Finally, the "I'm not the worst lynch" defense.

Unvote
Vote: Furlocow

[TonyMontana]

Dunham: obvTown for being awesome in last nights episode

[TonyMontana]

Brandon is number #15 on imdb ranked by episode count.

To be fair, imdb seems to only be updated to 3.1, and brandon has been alittle bit more prominent this season.

ninja-edit: there's no reason you couldn't link to a public wiki page.

I'll save you the trouble: Brandon

[TonyMontana]

Also, are you claiming vanilla?

[TonyMontana]

Durr, seems like the alternate Brandon (aka Evil Brandon) has his own Fringepedia page: Brandon/instance

[TonyMontana]

I agree that Brandon seems like a prime candidate for safeclaim. Not too prominent, but not too obscure.

And given that I suspected fur of itching to use a safeclaim before he claimed, my vote stands firm.

Also, he has yet to answer my question of whether his claim was that of VT or not.

[TonyMontana]

I welcome SV to join the game. Furthermore, I propose him as vig target and/or tomorrows lynch.

[TonyMontana]

SV claimed to have a post restriction. Just pointing it out.

[TonyMontana]

For my "reasoning" I shall wordlessly point to furc's iso.

That is all.

I shall wordlessly = cannot be interpreted as anything but a not-so-subtle implication of having restriction.

[TonyMontana]

TonyMontana

has been prodded.

Was this prod a psychic message that made me check this thread on my own?

Sorry for the absence, I will throw in my cents after my exam on wednesday.

[TonyMontana]

Well, lucky for you we don't celebrate thanksgiving here. -.- (and you're giving me grief for announcing a 2 day postponement?)

[TonyMontana]

As town, there is

one

reason to post a case. In order order to get a player lynched. That's it. And unless Primate or TM disagree with me in regards to that then I'm going to take that to my grave.

Well, let me stop you right there.

There is one reason to post a case if you are scum.

meanwhile, us townspeople would like to collectively figure out who scum is. So if you have valid points on the scumminess of people, I'd like to hear them.

And taking them to the grave is about the scummiest thing you have said so far.

I actually agreed with you wanting to stop the back and forth between you and Hop, only because it was a bitch to wade through, and not very substantial. "you're twisting my words" "no YOU are twisting my words"

"SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP" is actually the best contribution SV has offered us. Speaking of the Devil, I don't believe SV.

Anyways, back to emp; calling bv310's action obviously town is alittle ridiculous. You reason it with the fact that you think Hop is scum, and the fact that it wasn't a careful vote. In other words: WIFOM, in other words: it actually does look scummy.


Let me summarize:

SV:

worthless, possibly lying about his restriction.

Hop:

Obnoxious, but has demonstrated that it's his playstyle. Lynching Hop would be pro-game, but not entirely convinced it would be pro-town.
Made some notes, when reading through:
Makes ridiculous logic for various things not being scummy "i've seen town do it" Oh yeah, well i have seen more scum doing it, so where does that leave us?.
Buddies up with DoomBunny, then backs away. (I'll get to that)
Crusades on insulting players, irony completely lost on him.
When smarg comes at him with a oneliner, he starts talking about scum being happy that he is a guaranteed mislynch. Wow, dramaqueen much? One person suggest you be taken out, and suddenly you have been reserved a spot in lunchbox?
Seems to make arguments as a hobby, even tho the substance of the arguments are miniscule. Seems to have positive consequences, tho, which leads me to..

Emp:

I can't say that he comes out of the catfight with Hop looking good. His arguments gets desperatly weak under pressure. The first thing to pop out for me during my read-through was that he tried to pass off voting as scumhunting.
When doom starting asking questions, he got defensive and almost resorted to ad hominem. If nothing else, it's was an absurd call to emotion.
To get back to Hop, in post 367 Emp did school Hop when he mischaracterized Emp's reasons for voting Emp. That been said, reasons were still not convincing, but this certainly goes as a minus point for Hop. Bad Hop. Baad.

Let me just comment on

Doombunny

Seems like the calm, rational version of Hop.
DB did, as mentioned, do a good job of pointing out Emp's weak spots.
As mentioned, I think Hop for some reason, seemed shocked that emp would suggest DB was a bad player. Hop then tried to pass it off as him being shocked that emp insulted someone. Which is nonsense. Don't even bother trying to convince me.
It is then of course conspicuous that DB seems to play on Hop's team in the nonsense battle, that was going on between emp and hop, but it's prolly just a matter of DB having actual suspicions against Emp, and it's not productive to kick both ways.



Ugh. Allright, ive written too much, can't be bothered proofreading.

Vote: Empking

I have sympathy for you, but I simply thought you came out looking less town.

[TonyMontana]

2. Don't just dismiss an argument as WIFOM. Scum make careful votes. bv didn't therefore bv is town. Where's the WIFOM.

The wifom is right there. Look it up if you can't see it. Also, bv can serve fine as possible buddy, seeing as you joined forces in much the same way Hop and DB did.

[TonyMontana]

Getting off the wagon *does* negate any claims of being early.

Of course, this argument would have been much more relevant if fur had been scum.

TM: Thoughts on 7?

You haven't convinced me that Hop is a better lynch, so in your own interest (and/or town's), you should perhaps present a better case on someone.

[TonyMontana]

Getting off the wagon *does* negate any claims of being early.

Of course, this argument would have been much more relevant if fur had been scum.

"Town should ignore information that helps to find scum" - Is this a fair paraphase of your last comment. If not, how not?

I was merely pointing out that whether or not you got on a lynch later would be significant if you were busing. As it stands, it's an argument about your claims, and sematics.

TM: Thoughts on 7?

You haven't convinced me that Hop is a better lynch, so in your own interest (and/or town's), you should perhaps present a better case on someone.

TM: Thoughts on 7?

Unless you wanted my thoughts on your weak answer, I think that says it all.

[TonyMontana]

TM:

7. claims to have reads on other scum, claims he actually has 4 scum reads however he won't share them with anyone

Thoughts? Specific thoughts on this specific claim.

But make sure you read this before responding, this supports my #7

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2643292

The claim seems to be true? Am i missing the reason you are harping on that point?

[TonyMontana]

I honestly do not know what you want from me, emp

[TonyMontana]

The way Hop posts is fucking retarded and insulting.

[TonyMontana]

true claim is true.

[TonyMontana]

true claim is true.

Why do you say that? It seems awfully vanilla for a BM game with roles such as "Patholologist".

Doesn't seem that vanilla compared to the two vanilla flips, though?

Also, those roles were Brandon and the cow. <those be minor roles

[TonyMontana]

HAI THERE!

I suggest people move off Hop's wagon, he is most likely town.

[TonyMontana]

[face_palm] @ smarg's "the wiki"

Disregard the fact that there's only one "the wiki" to be talked of here, any definitions not found in our wiki might as well be made up be oneself.


Do I really need to spell out that I have role-related privvy info that more or less confirms Hop's commuter claim? Nobody can take a hint in this town?

[TonyMontana]

I sent you a PM, smarg. I'm not telling you on which site tho.

I kid, I kid, I'm not taking it nearly as seriously as Hop

[TonyMontana]

Indeed.

But as of now, I am regarding the wiki incident as a facepalm situation, and not a scumtell

[TonyMontana]

Or you're scumbuddies, or he could be a cop with an innocent on a godfather/cop of unknown sanity, or some other bastardy role (keep in mind this is a bastard mod game) that I can't think of right now.

I am not vouching for Hop's innocence. I'm just staking my life on it.

I was gonna lie, to protect Hop, but I figure I might as well stay honest: I'm assuming Hop is being truthful about being a commuter, because whatever I targeted with him last night failed. Mod-confirmed.

[TonyMontana]

EBWOP: targeted him with

[TonyMontana]

Now now, don't you go trying to convince the scum that I am a more valuable target than you :p

[TonyMontana]

VLA notice: two-day cruise from Saturday morning till Monday morning

I refuse to note your VLA unless you take me with you. :<

[TonyMontana]

I think my claims are enough to not lynch hop

[TonyMontana]

The town on Hop's wagon are bums.

[TonyMontana]

@TM- Answer my question pretty please.

I searched and searched, and found none.

Why the hell would you assume I was a vig? Or were you intentionally trying to set me up for a NK?
I'm actually way less valuable than a commuter, which was why i considered trying to protect Hop from a NK as well as a lynch. ¬¬

AND IF MY VAGUE CLAIM OF POWERROLE WAS SO UNNECESSARY, WHY DID WE LYNCH THE GUY I WAS TRYING TO AVOID GETTING LYNCHED?

[TonyMontana]

Why would anyone claim Gene's death?

[TonyMontana]

/pickin up prod
I'll be up to speed tonight.
Where we at with the massclaim? My turn?

[TonyMontana]

I am Nina Sharp, and I can investigate for people being shapeshifter or not.

as claimed, it failed during night 1, obviously because of Hop being commuter.
Night two was success, and Empking is not a shapeshifter.

It should be noted that scum are not guaranteed to be shapeshifters. In other words, I'm partial-cop, and Empking could still be scum. He is just not (the?) shapeshifter

[TonyMontana]

Initial reaction to smargs reaction:

I'd be much more comfortable if she CC instantly. Now It seems like an afterthought in an attempt to save Empking.

Speaking of which, she starts suggesting insane cops and millers. It seems like you are proposing that either bv is lying, or he is wrong about empking. Because Empking being scum isn't an option?

Also, why protect zang? I'd like to hear some reasoning.

Vote: Zang

Obvious fake Olivia

[TonyMontana]

Also, its pretty obvious Zang is dead so lets go

/Find him

As per protocol, a search party was sent out when it was discovered that Zang was missing. So far, nothing...

Anyways, my claim= Astrid Farnsworth- VT.

Are you pretending like you didn't bring scum-olivia back?

OUR OLIVIA IS STUCK ON THE OTHER SIDE, PPL!

[TonyMontana]

Unvote

Think I'm gonna let Zang stay mod-confirmed. There's bastard-mod, then there's bastard-mod. I'm gonna believe esurio is the first former, not the latter.

[TonyMontana]

Doombunny. Why did you initiate a search for zang?

[TonyMontana]

Vote: smarg

I see what you're selling, and I'm not buying

[TonyMontana]

Congrats to scum.

I appreciate you looking for me, bv. :p I still wouldn't have lynched you

WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN FROM THE SILVERY BLOOD THAT SMARG WAS A SHAPESHIFTER.

I actually thought about pushing for an Empking lynch and then investigating Smarg, but I guess i would have been dead either way.