Mini 1080 -- txtMafia -- Game OVER

[Fishythefish]

VOTE: kunkstar7
My access will often be poor at weekends, including this one.

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Timezone GMT. Access good during the week, poor at weekends.

Don't see how Tasky's attitude makes him scum.

VOTE: AV

See Next Post.

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AV vote: Early posts further nothing. The "IGMEOH" seems like a way to backtrack. Supports Fonz's push with zero commitment. SNP.

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Also unconvinced by Tasky vote. His question has an obvious answer, and I can't see why you wouldn't wait for that before voting.

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@Equi: Why is not reading, and admitting it, something scum would do more than town?

@AV: what was your Tasky vote for?

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@Equi: I don't think that not reading is a likely scum move. I don't think it helps scum to survive in any way.

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@Korts: more on AV points.
IGMEOH - feels like a way of dropping a subject without either demonstrating scumminess or admitting otherwise.

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TF following - He attacks Hero in a very non-committal way. Good for avoiding attention and/or later hop to Hero.
Question to Tasky - see conversation with AV.

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@AV: do you automatically find votes for V/LA people scummy, or was there something more about that one?

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@AV 205: if he had a good explanation, say that you didn't find it scummy any more. If he didn't, push it. IGMEOH just does nothing, keeps you flexible.

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@AV 207: ok. I was mostly thinking of the “You could be onto something”, but I suppose the legitimate enquiry actually makes this fine. Retracted.

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@AV 208: it seems surprising you wouldn’t think that Tasky didn’t realise kunk was on V/LA. Seems a bad reason for a hop.

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@Korts 243: you seem to have become “increasingly sure” about me in a period when I didn’t post. Why?

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I'm pretty happy with AV's responses, and don't like my vote any more.
UNVOTE:
Looking for a better option.

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@crywolf: when are you going to stop active lurking?
@mothrax: where is RF opportunistic? Other reads?
VOTE: mothrax

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@Korts: I'd still like an answer to my question.
@cry: active lurking over?

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crywolf's lack of access does him no favours. But is almost certainly real. Nothing of note in Fonz v Anti.

@mod:

poor access until Tuesday.

Noted. ~~NS

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Lots here about my inactivity. Which is fair. Haven't yet got into this game properly. Will devote a good chunk of time to it tomorrow.

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I’ve been having trouble getting into this game. Combination of lack of time and struggling with the format. Sorry.

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@crywolf: apologies for pronoun fail, won’t happen again. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t insult me.

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My activity has been low this game. That didn’t in any way affect how I felt about your active lurking.

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@kunk: why did you want my opinions of TF particularly? I have no intention of voting him today. Didn’t like Kort’s changing read of me. Slight scumread.

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@kunk: what do you mean by Tasky’s “V/LA vote” here? If it’s the really old thing, why only bring it up now? Same goes for meta.

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@TF: is this a good summary of Tasky case? Could you spell out meta lies? Faking read not scumtell, posting rate changes too likely coincidence to be strong.

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unvote, vote: kunkstar

Dislike his Korts vote; forced scumread under questioning. Late on Tasky, with old reasons - feels like hanging back deliberately.

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I really dislike 684 and 685. The sentiment you are saying is around is antitown -> town. The sentiment that's actually been in the game is antitown -/> scum.

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and I feel that misrepresenting that is an underhand way of pushing the Tasky wagon.

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@TF: other than kunk recently, who has said that Tasky is town (bad town included)? I don't recall that as a common sentiment at all.

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@TF: thanks. Several examples of "Tasky is town", including 2/3 calling him such for antitown behaviour. I was wrong.

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@TF: I felt AV jumped on Tasky's wagon for a bad reason. I think that's a scumtell, regardless of how good the wagon is. What exactly do you mean by "opportunist" here?

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I disagree. I don't think voting for a person on V/LA is a scumtell at all.

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@Kast re AV revote: nope. I thought AV responded well to my questions, and has been fine since then.

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Just a note that I'm around. Finding it exceptionally difficult to motivate myself for this game. Fairly happy with my vote. I don't really see what's driving t

Truncated. ~~NS

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I'm not in a good place here in terms of knowledge of or feel for this game. I will try hard to change this. I'll do that early next week.

V/LA until Monday

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My performance here has been crap. As I say, I'm going to have a really good go at changing that early next week. If I fail to motivate myself, I may request re

Truncated. ~~NS

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Temporary replacement wouldn't help. It's more an issue of motivation and reading the format than access.

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@AH: a while ago, but can you remember how your read on TF evolved? See for example isos 39, 51, 55, 71 and 94?

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Your TF move looks oddly slow, and I can't see a reason for your shift to null. Looks like you just want to move your vote.

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All in all, your stances on TF don’t make much sense to me. He feels like a backup scumread if you need something to say.

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VOTE: AH
Other than TF stuff, dislike sheeping TF’s AV-wagon point this morning, and RF defense stinks.

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Disagree with TF etc. about this morning’s AV wagon. All players on it have AV as their top suspect. What’s wrong with them voting him?

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Are there any other reasons for Kastscum?

Still see no good reason to vote AV.

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Would join RF wagon over Kast/AV.

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No. I'm voting you because your thought process on TF doesn't feel real, and I don't like your play today.

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Why is Kast scum?

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@AH: then please explain your thought process. Why is this particular meritless case scummy? If that's the main reason, what are the others?

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I'm rather lost over AV's roleclaim/softclaim/whatever is going on. What has AV said about his role that reflects on his alignment?

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Thanks. Doesn't make AV scum, I don't think he should claim anything.

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@TF: Sure, it's not necessarily honest. Why do you think Kast is being dishonest?

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@TF: this is reason why T's AV vote is bad. Doesn't support a Kast vote. (Looking at T to see how good it is now).

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@Tasky: what's your read on TF? It looks like you only switched to AV as a preferred wagon; why aren't you pushing (or even mentioning) TF today?

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UNVOTE: AH, VOTE: RF
@Tasky: sorry, missed that. Why did you switch so late in the day if your case on AV was better than your one on TF?

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V/LA

for the next 36 hours or so.

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@RF: Passivity is a scumtell because it shows you are more interested in avoiding scrutiny than working out alignments.

UNVOTE: RF

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@AV: VT is a claim that almost never derails a lynch. It's almost certainly the

least

common scumtell (at least in proportion to how often it's a genuine townclaim).

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I'm not ready for an RF lynch until we see more reactions to the claim, hence the unvote.

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*scumtell in 1696 should read "scumclaim".

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VOTE: AH

Prefer this to an RF lynch.

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Have thought AH scummy for a while. Didn't believe his day 1 read change on TF, his defence of RF, his TF sheep on AV. Now his lynch is on, I'm voting him again.

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@chamber: why?

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Very little. It's the kind of thing I've seen him do as town in other games.

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A deadline extension would be good - having the AH slot lynched without claiming would be very unsatisfactory.

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Going to have another serious "trying to wrap my head around this game" session in the next few days.

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Mod asked for input on deadline. Repeated stalling is fair. It's a way I try to kick myself into action.

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I'm going to request replacement. I'm very sorry about this - I just tried to catch up, and realised how little I'm enjoying myself here. I think the game will be better without me.

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As does scumfishy dragging his 'I'm behind... I'm catching up... I think I might replace out' cycle on for two full days. Huh, the chronic lurker and the apparent moron being scum- reminds me why I like policy lynching. I told you all he was lying about his meta, dammit.

I felt really bad about my play in this game, and I apologise for it. My inability to get anywhere with the game was 100% genuine. It's something I haven't experienced before in mafia, and it's no fun (I should probably have replaced out much earlier, in fact). I can't say it's meta null, because it may be that I am more likely to struggle with a game when I am scum, but it's definitely not a deliberate tactic.

Well done Vi and Tasky.

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Yes, the double posting thing caught me by surprise. I thought the txt mechanic would make people be succinct - when people multiposted, it actually just made it really difficult to read.