Mini 1069 - Hospital Madness Mafia (Game Over!)

[Tasky]

Charnel, I guess you are right.
Since you have no incriminating result, you should claim who you targeted, so we will know that that person is more likely to be town. I agree that you should not claim the actual role as that helps scum. But I think not revealing anything doesn't help us. Maybe you can even confirm someone as town (without having to tell us their role).

Un-FoS

[chesskid3]

Enigma nominated for chainsaw FoS.

Tasky, explain the vote.

You missed this.



@ Charnel: First, your name isn't Tasky, so please don't answer for him.

Hold off on responding until after Tasky replies, but I would like you to elaborate on what reasoning you think Tasky is using that is the same as my "flawed" reasoning.

[Tasky]

chesskid, you claim in this post, that there is a large amount of info to get. I want to see that info.

[chesskid3]

So instead of asking for it like a normal person, you vote me?

[chesskid3]

I'm

V/LA until Saturday night/Sunday morning

You'll get your analysis then, Mr. Tasky

[Tasky]

So instead of asking for it like a normal person, you vote me?

yep.

[CooLDoG]

@chesskid, chain saw only works if he's scum, and then it is only on a case by case basis, Tasky is a VI thus it doesn't apply to him. RTFW.

Iso comeing when I have time, I'm flirting with a chesskid possible scum read atm...

[CooLDoG]

okay... Chesskid ware to start... you have posted 175 times in this game and 107 of those posts have been one liners (don't worry I counted). That means that over 61% of your posts are one liners, however, you had atleast 4-5 mega content posts sprinkeled in there. I get a null read on you, forget what I said. However, I would like you to post more content. And are you happy with that % of one liners?

[CooLDoG]

quick (very quick) iso of UP reveals that she has never given a reason for any of her votes...

!) why haven't you given a reason for any of your votes?
@) why are you so indecisive?
#) what are your town+scum reads?

[Tasky]

Tasky is a VI

You really think so? Well, think again. I am going to catch scum whether you like it or not.

[Uprising]

quick (very quick) iso of UP reveals that she has never given a reason for any of her votes...

!) why haven't you given a reason for any of your votes?
@) why are you so indecisive?
#) what are your town+scum reads?

I may have given some reason, however it may have not sounded like it. If I didn't given reasons, it was because I was uncertain.

I'm always extraordinarily indecisive, regardless of alignment (and in real life).

I'm positive I posted my reads not long ago, I'll reread and come up with them again.


Enigma is not scum.

Tasky is not a VI.

[Exe]

Alright, I haven't had time to really flesh out a wall-o-text case or anything, so I'm just going to post my suspicions in shorthand.

Was rereading the people who I felt slipped under the radar D1, and in light of the flip there's some really damning evidence:

Zang:
Alright so D1 he read to me as genuine for a while. His tunnelling on Tasky seemed misguided at worst, for most of D1.

However, around the end of the day we see a few really suspicious things, especially considering the flip:

Around his 9th post he stops posting really any scumhunting. He's no longer pushing his Tasky wagon, and just starts commenting on roles and lines of peoples' posts, rather than actually stating suspicions, attacking any players, or pushing any cases.
Whats telling here is this was right around the point when NS and Moospiker were both possible lynch targets: sounds like he wanted the town to focus on picking one of the two.
The key issue then is that he never really goes back to pushing Tasky, and continues to not really scumhunt or pressure anyone at all.

There's a clincher though.

Vote: Uprising

Charnels case on him is good and he's the only person besides Tasky that I think is scummy.

The case on TL is really good and the fact that he ignored it means that he can not answer it or isn't reading the thread. I still think uprising is scummy but his lynch can wait.

Unvote
Vote: TheLonging

In post 14 he votes Uprising pretty much out of the blue, piggybacking hard on Charnel's wagon. It's not entirely damning except that he specifically says that uprising is the

only

person he finds scummy except Tasky.
But then 3 posts later, after no spectacular content, he sheeps ANOTHER wagon and says that the case on TL is "really good" (despite the fact that somehow he'd found no one else scummy) and his only original contribution is that TL is scum because he didn't defend himself.

The cherry on top is that he says he'll be V/LA for a short while, but never actually comes back before the lynch is up.

Summary: General lack of scumhunting for a good portion of D1, followed by two successive bandwagons based entirely on others' legwork.

Vote: Zang

[Zang]

Vote: Tasky

I want to see if he's going to stop randomly voting today, like he said.

Alright so D1 he read to me as genuine for a while. His tunnelling on Tasky seemed misguided at worst,

for most of D1.

Summary:

General lack of scumhunting for a good portion of D1,

followed by two successive bandwagons based entirely on others' legwork.

This is contradictory.

Whats telling here is this was right around the point when NS and Moospiker were both possible lynch targets: sounds like he wanted the town to focus on picking one of the two.

If I wanted one of them to be lynched, I would have voted for them or at least pushed their wagon. I saw neither as scummy, I saw NS as anti town but not scum and I did not think moospiker was scum since most of the case on him was lurking which I do not find scummy.

But then 3 posts later, after no spectacular content, he sheeps ANOTHER wagon and says that the case on TL is "really good" (despite the fact that somehow he'd found no one else scummy) and his only original contribution is that TL is scum because he didn't defend himself.

2 votes is not a wagon. TL remained unnoticed by me until I realized how scummy he was after I read Chesskids case on him, Isn't that what it's supposed to do? And how is completely ignoring a case against you not scummy?

And I don't see how this is different than Tasky who just put "I can agree with a TL lynch".

The cherry on top is that he says he'll be V/LA for a short while, but never actually comes back before the lynch is up.

The lynch occurred while I was still V/LA.

Summary: General lack of scumhunting for a good portion of D1, followed by two successive bandwagons based entirely on others' legwork.

I generally don't scumhunt on day 1, this is one of my best games.

[Enigma]

Tasky has been fingered for fail logic. Did you even think after reading Charnel's claimed role?

Chesskid has been noted for being more dumb than he appears to be.
I don't like how he is saying NS was "obv town", because I really couldn't judge that from his stupid behavior.

Uprising can have a break from my vote just for the beginning of today, since I had it on her all of yesterday.

I mentioned this the previous day, but now it's time to act,
VOTE: Zang

So I can keep reminding myself later,

[6] chesskid3 -

TheLonging

, Moospiker,

Nobody Special

,

Wingless

, CooLDoG, Zang

[6] CooLDoG - Tasky, chesskid3,

Wingless

, Uprising,

Nobody Special

, Exe

[6]

Nobody Special

- CooLDoG, Exe, Slaxx, Tasky, chesskid3, Moospiker

[6] Moospiker - Uprising,

TheLonging

, Exe, CooLDoG,

Nobody Special

,

Wingless

[7]

TheLonging

- chesskid3, Tasky, Zang, Uprising, CooLDoG,

Nobody Special

, Exe

Gunna say, Moospiker/Charnel slot doesn't look impressive, nor does all the people voting on the NS wagon in particular Tasky and Exe.
We shall see how the day progresses.

[Exe]

@Zang: Those two quotes are not contradictory at all.

During Day 1

, I thought you seemed pro-town for most of it. Now that we have more information, it reads differently. No contradiction there.

And your "2 votes is not a wagon" is a semantics argument that strawman's the point. You still heavily sheeped two people as the day went on longer. That's scummy.

[Uprising]

@Zang: Those two quotes are not contradictory at all.

During Day 1

, I thought you seemed pro-town for most of it. Now that we have more information, it reads differently. No contradiction there.

And your "2 votes is not a wagon" is a semantics argument that strawman's the point. You still heavily sheeped two people as the day went on longer. That's scummy.

As strange as it feels for me, I agree completely.

Zang saying Exe was contradictory confused me a fair bit, to be honest, especially after I reread them.

[Tasky]

Tasky is not a VI.

what makes you think I am not?

Vote: Tasky

I want to see if he's going to stop randomly voting today, like he said.

And what exactly is the reason for your vote?

Tasky has been fingered for fail logic. Did you even think after reading Charnel's claimed role?

look. You will agree with me that a flavor-rolecop is usually more useful to scum than to town? Well, that was my concern there. And to be honest the fact that the alternative (the tracker-role) is a quite likely scum-role doesn't make me feel any better about Charnel right now. I do not believe that we should lynch him today, I just don't think we should trust him blindly just because he is a PR. And we should keep in mind that NS died town which makes Charnel scum much more likely right now.

I don't like how he is saying NS was "obv town", because I really couldn't judge that from his stupid behavior.

[...]

[...] doesn't look impressive, nor does all the people voting on the NS wagon in particular Tasky and Exe.

Ellipses mine. What exactly do you find wrong about being on the NS wagon? Didn't you just say yourself that NS had a far from townish behaviour?

TL remained unnoticed by me until I realized how scummy he was after I read Chesskids case on him, Isn't that what it's supposed to do? And how is completely ignoring a case against you not scummy?

Where/why do you think did chesskid's case fail?


time for some vote-count analysis

[6] chesskid3 -

TheLonging

, Moospiker,

Nobody Special

,

Wingless

, CooLDoG, Zang

CooLDoG could be a SK for all we know, but I really doubt he is scum after he killed NS last night.
Therefore there are two cases:
If chesskid is town, at least one of Zang and Moospiker (Charnel) has to be scum, possibly both, since I do not believe that a) we could have gotten a wagon on a townie without scum on it and b) that scum wouldn't have hammered considering there was no scum on the wagon already
If chesskid is scum, I still do not believe that scum would have been completely off the wagon, as usually at least one scum is always bussing (considering that chesskid's play was far from being pro-town), probably one (but likely not both) one out of Charnel and Zang scum in that case.

In both cases at least one of {Zang, Charnel} is scum and there is a good possibility that both are.
Doing the same analysis on the Moospiker wagon, we get that at least one of {Uprising, Exe} is scum and maybe both are if Charnel is town.
Additionally I do not believe Uprising would start a wagon on a fellow scumbag (this comes from my feeling of playingstyle). Therefore, I believe that if Charnel is scum, then Exe is his most likely buddy.

So we get following implications (yes, I know, what I am doing are only heuristics, but I believe they are quite good):
Zang town -> Charnel scum -> Exe scum & Uprising town
Charnel town -> Zang scum
Exe town -> Uprising scum & Zang scum -> Charnel town
Uprising town -> Exe scum

[Parama]

Prodding Lrdwhyt.

Day 2 Vote Count #1

[2] Zang

- Exe, Enigma

[1] chesskid3

- Tasky

[1] Tasky

- Zang

[0] Uprising

-

[0] Charnel

-

[0] Enigma

-

[0] Exe

-

[0] CooLDoG

-

[0] Lrdwhyt

-

Not Voting (5): chesskid3, Uprising, CooLDoG, Charnel, Lrdwhyt

Day 2 begins. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is 11/18/10 at 9 PM CST.

[Lrdwhyt]

Prod received, I'll try to post later.

[Tasky]

oh. and I really should be doing this right now.

UNVOTE: chesskid

And since Exe is the most likely town out of Zang, Charnel, Exe, Uprising, I'd conclude that Uprising and Zang are scum.

VOTE: Zang

[Uprising]

Uprising town -> Exe scum

I'm pretty sure Exe isn't scum.

[chesskid3]

Tasky has been fingered for fail logic. Did you even think after reading Charnel's claimed role?

Chesskid has been noted for being more dumb than he appears to be.
I don't like how he is saying NS was "obv town", because I really couldn't judge that from his stupid behavior.

Uprising can have a break from my vote just for the beginning of today, since I had it on her all of yesterday.

I mentioned this the previous day, but now it's time to act,
VOTE: Zang

So I can keep reminding myself later,

[6] chesskid3 -

TheLonging

, Moospiker,

Nobody Special

,

Wingless

, CooLDoG, Zang

[6] CooLDoG - Tasky, chesskid3,

Wingless

, Uprising,

Nobody Special

, Exe

[6]

Nobody Special

- CooLDoG, Exe, Slaxx, Tasky, chesskid3, Moospiker

[6] Moospiker - Uprising,

TheLonging

, Exe, CooLDoG,

Nobody Special

,

Wingless

[7]

TheLonging

- chesskid3, Tasky, Zang, Uprising, CooLDoG,

Nobody Special

, Exe

Gunna say, Moospiker/Charnel slot doesn't look impressive, nor does all the people voting on the NS wagon in particular Tasky and Exe.
We shall see how the day progresses.

Piss off.

Vote: Enigma

[Enigma]

Good stuff Tasky!

Firstly, a flavor role is just as useful for finding scum as it is for finding town. Really depends on the intent of who is using it.

I'm not willing to trust him blindly, especially since we know fake claims are available and the scumminess of that slot.

My vote analysis is based purely on the spread of the colors right now, I haven't had a good chance to look through it in much more depth, nor do I think it will be entirely accurate without many scum flips yet. Just there as a reminder. I like them too as they show what order the votes on a said person formed, and it's good to pick out opportunistic scum and scum trying to distance themselves from their buddies.
Though I do think that the Charnel/Zang points are looking quite promising.

All it's interesting to note who is NOT on the Moospiker (Charnel) wagon too.

I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Zang though.

Hello preview edits.
I lol@chesskid. This is coming from the guy who declared me obv town all of yesterday too!
Uprising still yet to provide any reasoning for any of her thoughts or plays.

[chesskid3]

Tasky is scum as well based on post 791.

[Tasky]

Uprising town -> Exe scum

I'm pretty sure Exe isn't scum.

you must be scum then. simple, no?

if you want to argue that the result of my deduction is wrong, you can't simply state that the result of my deduction is wrong. You have to show where the error lies in my logical steps.

Tasky is scum as well based on post 791.

lol?