Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

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[Tasky]

DGB, GET IN HERE AND JUSTIFY YOURSELF!!

NOW

[SpyreX]

I want Kat to explain how Gan's role means DGB's can't exist.

Because I'm not seeing how "I know if I'm hypnotized" means "I can tell if SOMEONE was hypnotized" can't be in the game.

MIND YOU, I think we've got a lying PR but no massclaim today sooo

[Tasky]

the problem is that DGB's last post was 3 days ago. It really feels like scum trying to avoid answering.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sorry guys, my MIL is undergoing a sudden and frightening mental breakdown, and we've been scrambling to organize psychological/psychatric care for her. She's disabled and I've had to make social and care visit for two meals a day, cleaning, running her errands, etc. I've been concentrating on the game I'm modding, but I've had to limit my internet time.

No one seems to think I'm scummy but a few players want to deadline-lynch me because they don't believe my role exists?

I don't know how I can argue that, but if you look it up, I've breadcrumbed heavily that I knew that Fate had been hypnotized, I left that in so that you'd have the information in case I died and you were trying to figure out my role (the information on Fate is, in itself, useless, but my role "Magician's Apprentice" is not descriptive, so maybe you would have gotten the hint).

Night 0, Fate was hypnotized. Night 1, *I* was

not

hypnotized,

Night 2, no choice was submitted

, Night 3 Tasky was hypnotized, Night 4 CES was

not

hypnotized.

CES is clearly scum, he's lurking, and pushing for my lynch without a vote (unless I missed something because I only scanned the game quickly).

[DrippingGoofball]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2610421

^^^ This Katsuki post is super-scummy.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I totally am voting for you and I'm about as active as most people currently. Nice try though.

[DrippingGoofball]

This is the unofficial VC, if I'm not mistaken, what's that talk about me being a deadline lynch??? I'm not.

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3 Katsuki (Toogeloo, GhostWriter, Tasky)
2 DGB (CES, Katsuki)
1 Cogito Ergo Sum (DrippingGoofball)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch, and 3 to lynch at deadline. Deadline is November 10, 10:30 p.m. CST.

Not Voting – 4 – Ellibereth, SpyreX
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[DrippingGoofball]

@ CES?

Nice try??? I did say that I only skimmed, I'm really harried, I'm posting ASAP and I have to run to prepare a meal and her my MIL company all evening.

[Toogeloo]

Sorry for my absence. I had some issues of my own this weekend that removed me from my home for a while (and thus no internet).

Speaking partially on DGB's claim (why is an apprentice a PR?), I think it's very easy to fake, but I also want to consider the equally scummy behavior that is bugging me. Here are my thoughts on what we should be focused on:

-CES has only just recently picked up activity today. CES could have realized that with 2 scum dead he needed to pick up activity for his scum team. Of course it's entirely possible that he also realizes that there aren't many suspects available and he is one of them, especially with DGB gunning for him two days in a row.

-Kat stated Anti was town on Day 2 or 3, somewhat matter of factly. Kat also made comments that swayed several voters to lynch dana, and then made an apparent back-pedal in certainness after the lynch was confirmed. I don't even know what to make of the secret talk that was going on, as I said I brushed it off, but people are concerned about it.

-DGB has been quoting almost everyone since she started playing. The breadcrumb claim is just as easily fakeable as the entire claim itself (will explain in a moment, see below). DGB has been tunneled on CES as scum, but the reason seems pretty bad, stating that CES wasn't hypnotized last night. I bet a fair number of players weren't hypnotized last night, and if I had to take a guess at who was hypnotized, CES wouldn't have even made my top 3.


The reason the claim doesn't impress me is because Fate died Night 1. Looking at the scum rules, they are kill-restricted in the fact that they can't hypnotize the same player twice for the kill. So a smart scum team may have some kind of "kill the person we hypnotized last" strategy. Fate dying Night 1 suggests he was hypnotized Night 0 by any reasonable amount of deduction, therefore pushing that idea on to us is almost a moot thought since I had been thinking that since Day 3 when I think I saved Ghost. Logically speaking, it would suggest that Ghost was hypnotized Night 1 to kill Fate. Scum also can't afford to deviate too much from hypnosis to kills due to the kill restriction, and that would also explain the very limited protection power we have as town. However, it's still too much scanning I think. At the same time, if DGB is telling the truth, he is invaluable at this point.

I think between CES and DGB one or the other is scum, but not both, so my gut says we should be targeting one of these two today.

For now,

Unvote

With deadline approaching, let's discuss this, because we are really running out of time with this loafing around. A Majority lynch is still 4 I think too, so no player is at that point yet.

[SpyreX]

I still want Kat in here but:

I totally am voting for you and I'm

about as active as most people currently

. Nice try though.

:explode:

[Tasky]

DGB, can you choose who's hypnosis to know about? If yes, why did you make the choices you did?

[Katsuki]

I want Kat to explain how Gan's role means DGB's can't exist.

Because I'm not seeing how "I know if I'm hypnotized" means "I can tell if SOMEONE was hypnotized" can't be in the game.

MIND YOU, I think we've got a lying PR but no massclaim today sooo

Wait, so spy thinks DGB is lying about her role, yet wants me to explain how DGB's role can't exist?

I guess I'll play along, but not after I know what's going on first.

@DGB: So what exactly is your role? Mind clarifying it for me?

[Katsuki]

Also, following toogeloo would be a wise thing for today.

The point about DGB quoting imo is a very strong point against her. I KNOW that I constantly posted in GIANT CAPS of NOT to quote posts, yet she ignored it for quite a long while.

[DrippingGoofball]

@Tasky

As a replacement I am unable to explain the choices of my predecessors, but I have targeted two players I suspected (yourself, Tasky - and CES).

@Kats

There's nothing to clarify about my role, it's all there.

Sorry about the quote business, I keep forgetting.

CES is scum and should be lynched.

[Tasky]

why did you suspect me?
must have missed (or forgotten) your case on me. could you restate it?

[Toogeloo]

I don't think DGB ever had a case against you. If memory serves, he popped in, jumped on the dana wagon immediately, and then called me scum because you said I was.

[Tasky]

yet he writes:
"

but I have targeted two players I suspected (yourself, Tasky - and CES)

"

[Tasky]

I want to hear NOW, why he suspected me at that time.

[DrippingGoofball]

I made the decision in the middle of the night. I didn't think deeply about it, I haven't had a whole lot of time as of late. But the next day I totally exonerated Tasky because being hypnotized, he was confirmed town. I don't know where the doubting comes from.

[Toogeloo]

I really gotta keep reminding myself that DGB is a female.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why did you target people you found suspicious, DGb? I mean, I can see an argument for targetting likely lynches, but certainly Tasky wasn't one.

[SpyreX]

Wait, so spy thinks DGB is lying about her role, yet wants me to explain how DGB's role can't exist?

I guess I'll play along, but not after I know what's going on first.

@DGB: So what exactly is your role? Mind clarifying it for me?

What?

Seriously, what?

[Katsuki]

Quote the entire damned post spy... read what you said.

and I just remembered that I accidentally quoted too. = =

[SpyreX]

Stupid rule.

But, again,

WHAT?

Where have I said "Ohh DGB is lying".

Where have I even pretended to say that?