a2rudeboy wrote:Hello.
(very quickly steps out of character) Apologies for the lurking/total disappearance. Without going into too much detail, something drastic occured IRL, could not post. But I used the extra long night phase to catch up.
(steps back)
Ahem.
I think Prana was coming off incredibly reasonable at the end of d1/
I do not like at all how quickly the train built up on NC, and while once the attention turned on him he definitely started acting scummy and flailing all over the god damn place, I still think the initial reasoning behind the beginning was flimsy at best. I am more concerned with Jack's overwhelmingly anti-town play at this point. There were the comments in the early stages of the game, his frantic desire to switch everyone from Espy -who we had seen him as acting buddylike with- now a confirmed scum, to NC which is now confirmed town. At one point he even outright stated that the game wasn't really providing any interest for him anymore.
@Jack- Why the incessant tunneling on NC, even before he started flailing? After the flips, how do you justify more or less single-handedly leading the town from a scumlynch to a mislynch? If you aren't scum, please tell me what actions you have taken that were pro-town?
vote: Jack
CoolDog I think at this point deserves a
HoS Cooldog
for things such as: posting at night, his constant "i'm going to be going, but.." posts, AtE overload. The biggest tell for me however, was the posting of the case after the hammer, especially considering how his case was just exact repetition of a previous case from someone else. I am unable to tell at this point if it's for sure a scumtell, or just stupid play.
@Cool- Why the need to constantly tell us you are leaving quickly when you post? Is it a reason to cover up for lack of content? Wouldn't it be more pro-town to wait until you had time to build a case and post? Explain why you justified the lynch after the hammer, without original reasoning? Explain how any of these actions were protown.
This post has praising of Prana, attacking Jack (who scum feared was some form of PR), plus the HOS on CoolDog, who was starting to build a wagon at this point. With current information this post looks like it comes from scum. (Full disclosure:
On Day 3 I liked this post).
PranaDevil wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:Do not touch CKD. He is fine. Scum is probably trying to frame him.
Or you're scum with him and are trying to throw us off the scent.
Also, all the neighbors are town? Possible sure, but to say it's probable?
I'm not happy with CKD personally, purely because he came out day 1 and revealed his role because he didn't trust his partner, and it's his partner who gets nobbled? Could easily have been a big ball of WIFOM from CKD to throw us off the scent. But as there's going to be more than one scum out there I'll look elsewhere for now.
Can I also say "I damned well told you so" in regards to Espy? Yeah, what was with the whole "he's not scum, we're lynching the completely stupid option of Nero" on day 1? Nero only became stupid (not scummy, just stupid) after pressure turned on him, and it's hard not to go a bit nuts when you have undue pressure on you from absolutely nothing. It was a terrible option for a lynch and how the hell it went through I have no idea when the scummiest player by about ten miles was Espy.
But then, following him very closely in the scummy stakes would be... Jack. The same guy who was making sure the Espy wagon was derailed in favour of a Nero one.
vote: Jack
I'd do an ISO on him, however it would be a massive waste of time as I can't remember him making a single useful post so far.
Interesting.
vollkan wrote:Continuing with scumpoints from yesterday:
Vote: Cooldog
. That said, I also want to do relational analysis of Espy, so this vote is somewhat contingent.
Pomegranate wrote:horrordude0215 wrote:We're at 3 votes... that's L-5. Are we really in danger of a quicklynch?
At the moment: No.
If the wagon continued at it current pace: Yes.
I think you'll find that wagons tend to slow down as they reach the vicinity L-1 .
DemonHybrid wrote:Unvote, Vote: a2rudeboy
This may go into complete mafia game theory territory, but I have never once
once
once
seen someone Vote/HoS two people in the same post and not be scum.
If Cooldog is scum, lynch a2. If a2 is scum, lynch Cooldog.
a2+5
I don't completley agree with you, though, DH.
There is certainly a tendency for scum to do the Vote/HoS combo. However, it's a weaker scumtell (+1/+2) in isolation. For me, the most important thing is his reasoning for putting a HoS on CoolDog:
a2 wrote: for things such as: posting at night, his constant "i'm going to be going, but.." posts, AtE overload.
The biggest tell for me
however, was the posting of the case after the hammer, especially considering how his case was just exact repetition of a previous case from someone else.
I am unable to tell at this point if it's for sure a scumtell, or just stupid play.
None of those points are at all paticularly reflective of any actual analysis, and all but the vague "AtE overload" charge are only dubiously scummy at best. I can't see how they could justify a HoS. But then we get the "biggest tell" of repeating a case. Putting aside whether that really is a huge scumtell, a2 immediately proceeds to undercut this with his last sentence (bolded). In other words, he both thinks it is the "biggest scumtell" (among a handful of rather piddly 'scumtells', the aggregate of which apparently justifies a HoS), but is also uncertain about whether or not it is a scumtell.
a2rudeboy wrote:So, having equally incredibly strong suspicions on two players after 24pgs is considered scummy now?
Quote for me please where somebody attacked you for 'having equally strong suspicions'?
This is good posting.
curiouskarmadog wrote:Wasn’t aware that the game opened yesterday..
SS was town huh?....yeah he kept making comments last night like “aren’t you going to feel stupid” last night.
We basically argued last night, neither of us trusted each other to even think about using there ability...though, I did ask him what he thought of CD and said he would be the only person I would consider using the power on.
I see that zwet and Pom used their ability last night on Esp?...curious, who came up with the suggestion first?
PranaDevil wrote:
I'm not happy with CKD personally,
purely because he came out day 1 and revealed his role because he didn't trust his partner
, and it's his partner who gets nobbled? Could easily have been a big ball of WIFOM from CKD to throw us off the scent. But as there's going to be more than one scum out there I'll look elsewhere for now.
in reference to bolded...did I come out because i didnt trust my partner? or did I come out because I wanted everyone to have as much info as possible, especially IF my partner was scum. someone needed to be accountable for the kill...are you misrepresenting here, or simply misunderstanding my claim again? But lets play your game, so I am throwing a big ball of WIFOM to get your off my scent on page fucking 1?...you really are putting that forward? What scent were people tracking at that point?
I agree CD looks super scummy, but this wagon is really rocking and rolling pretty quick….
What is the rush?
Also CD, you had a question for me yesterday, but a.) completely ignored my post/questions and b.) didn’t get your answer….I thought it was important..why did you hammer if you still had a question outstanding?
Who did SS want to use the power on? Can you summarize what was discussed in the QT between you two that night?
Jack wrote:vote:snakeplissken
a2rudeboy wrote:vote: jack
PranaDevil wrote:vote: jack
This sequence of posts from start of D3 is funny/interesting. Jack votes Snake and a2rude and Prana both immediately vote him. One of these is confirmed scum.
SnakePlissken wrote:Vote Curiouskarmadog
Why you ask? Well I watched him last night and he visited Demon who is now dead. Something says to me that he's up to no good. wouldn't you?
Some of you may scream WIFOM at this, but I see this as evidence that CKD is town. For one, the scum watcher targeted CKD (presumably to catch a protective role that might try to save the vig) and for another, if CKD was scum, there is no reason scum-Snake would have come out like this and tried to push his lynch. I don't see how there would have been enough gain to bus at this point.
PranaDevil wrote:I agree, however so far I'm wondering what the hell is going on, we have Jack making no attempt at actually playing the game, horrordude being useless, Pacman deciding that lynching scum is a second priority behind lynching someone when he dislikes their (exceptionally pro-town) playstyle, and thus far it's horrendously ridiculous. Throw in that Looker was being completely worthless and nonsensical yesterday, and it's like half the game don't even want to win.
At this stage, I want Jack or Pacman lynched, not only has Jack been acting worthless all game, but he and Esp were buddy buddy at the start of the game, and he's just being allowed to slide by being useless and scummy.
Pacman on the other hand has entered the game, and his first action is to push Vollkan for... well, nothing at all in actual fact, as his entire case is "I don't like his playstyle, policy lynch him". Absolute bullshit.
Another WIFOM heavy but interesting post from PD. Not sure if the buddying Vollkan is scum/town, and PD demonstrated at least some ability to bus (although IMO poorly) at the end of D1 in regards to Esp.
a2rudeboy wrote:Who is a better vote? I'm not sure.
I don't think any of the neighbors (CKD, Lewarcher replacing Pom) are scummy spots as I've already said.
I believed LMP and Volkan's claim.
Pac apparaently can't be scum because of the mentioned reasons.
I'm town.
So, that would lead, I guess to LMP and Volkan. I haven't got anything less than from major town from volkan, but looking at his play style, it seems even if he was scum, he would be hard to catch in a slip up. I've had my doubts about LMP for parts of the game, a lot of it based on his overenthusiastic wish to get me lynched.
Seriously, this is our lynch today. "None of the neighbors are scum" ... "So that would lead, I guess to LMP and Volkan". ILLOGICAL, ILLOGICAL!
Based on my reread, and using PoE, I now think the only possible scum teams are:
a2rude/Pacman
a2rude/Vollkan
Vollkan/Pacman
I've pretty much reached the conclusion that Lew and CKD are town. I think today's lynch is a2rude.
Everyone please pay attention to this
: Tomorrow, if either of the JKs are dead, you cannot trust what the living JK claims the target was. I just want to make sure this is out there, so there is no confusion about it. If we're both alive, then of course we can use that information, since our role can only JK with both players consent (while we're both alive that is), but if either of us dies tonight, the other could be lying about who (if anyone) got JKed.
I'm going to work on a vote count analysis for the whole game, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be voting a2rude today, the only other logical choices are Pacman (who was tracked one night and JK'ed one night) and Vollkan (who's only ding against him really is POE, his play has been really town), so they are clearly suboptimal to an a2rude lynch.
Also, I had mentioned earlier in the thread if anyone saw any way we could use our remaining powers to guarantee a win, and no one commented. I've been rolling it over in my head, and the nature of the split JK's makes this pretty much a non-starter. Still, if anyone thinks of something that I haven't, feel free to share.
I don't want to vote until we're ready to end the day, and I see no reason we should end the day now. I'll work on a complete game VC analysis.