Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[Lowell]

/confirm

[Lowell]

vote lowell tribune

So.... we already have a claim and counterclaim? We kill them, right? What's hard about this?

[Lowell]

A few things:

1) Not sure why I'm supposed to care about lynching/executing a consulmaker. If we guess wrong between jack/whoever the other guy was, we'll just get another one, right? One at least as useful as jack/the other guy, probably? Might be why whoever-the-real-one-is figured there was no harm in claiming.
2) love poro. 89 is classic, but seriously just pick someone to be tribune
3) pick me
4) sens is being an idiot. Fortunately it won't really be up to him.

[Lowell]

I am the voice of the people. Ignore me at your own risk.

[Lowell]

@all- read post 102. You know you want me as tribune after that post.

I'll echo spry's 115. One of them needs to go. I don't care which, since neither is claiming a "power role" in any meaningful sense.

In other news, rabies is town, sens is scum. I'm amazing at this game.

[Lowell]

Yeah it's tribune and useless. Stop pretending you care about this and vote lowell. Those acting like this matters are overreacting either willfully or because they're clueless. Let's just pick someone (lowell!), then kill jack/rib, then kill sens tomorrow, and then bask in our success on the third day.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote primate

. Wooooo bandwagon.

[Lowell]

Wow sens is preachy.

[Lowell]

Games in which active posters are replaced? The Lowells of the world are kings!!!!

I will catch up in a bit.

[Lowell]

So, sens is scum.

Due to finals coming up, and me still not having read the game,

I am requesting replacement

.

Apologies, Coggy~

Let's say we not replace, and instead kill.

vote kat

for obvious scum-quitting.

[Lowell]

Not totally caught up, but I'm also of the opinion that consulmakers should claim at the slightest provocation... and maybe even without it.

[Lowell]

vote ribwich

It's continually shocking to me that I'm not a consul.

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

I know. Adorable, right?

It's not that Jack shouldn't die; it's that using Jack's non-death as an excuse to do nothing is anti-town. In sort of a weird way ribwich has balls for doing what he did, so good for him. Lowell's famous townpoints coming his way!

[Lowell]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

I know. Adorable, right?

It's not that Jack shouldn't die; it's that using Jack's non-death as an excuse to do nothing is anti-town. In sort of a weird way ribwich has balls for doing what he did, so good for him.

Lowell's famous townpoints coming his way!

Except he's bloody confirmed town.

Heh oops, okay. Then he gets bonus townpoints!

[Lowell]

We are not letting ribwich be tribune after the shit he pulled yesterday.

Remind me how rib forcing us to lynch reck was bad for us?

[Lowell]

We are not letting ribwich be tribune after the shit he pulled yesterday.

Remind me how rib forcing us to lynch reck was bad for us?

I never said us lynching reck was bad. It was a great move for the town. But I've lost faith in ribwich to make good decisions as tribune. I still don't think him vetoing jack was a good move. Sens is right. We're going to need to lynch jack, and sooner is much better than latter due to the information we can gain off of the lynch. There is too much risk to let jack live, and I don't trust ribwich to not veto and execution on jack.

I don't understand this explanation at all. Call a spade a spade. Ribwich did right by us, I say let him try again.

vote rib for tribune

[Lowell]

I recommend executing jack.

[Lowell]

Wow, magua is town. TOWNPOINTS!! I'm sold on the sens case. As much as it seems dumb to reach back to page two for reads, #48 does seem a bit... bitter.

[Lowell]

vote ribwich

. The less I pay attention, the easier it is for town to win. That's not the best endorsement of my ability. Still not sure what I'm missing about rib that people think he's scum.

[Lowell]

If you think I'm scum vote me. If you don't then I'm actually helping.

[Lowell]

Well yes, I meant sensfan should vote me when the time comes if he thinks I'm scum. My sense from the post, though, is that he doesn't. So whatever else you want to say about my play (I'll admit I've been consumed with another game recently), my obvtowniness is a help. So, you know... be happy.

[Lowell]

All right all right I'll read. I'm out of town until thursday, but I'll catch up then.

As for Jack, scum tend to call me scum. I'm an easy target, and scum like to avoid fights. It's easy to say Lowell is scum and not have anything bad happen to you. It's an opportunists dream.

[Lowell]

I don't think TownLowell would care, is I guess what I'm saying.

Hey now!! You want your participation or not? Don't make me go back to lurking. I'll do it, too!

I'll catch up tomorrow. For now I'm jetlagged as hell.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote scot

in the interest of getting this game moving.

Still haven't caught up, obv (will post when I do).

[Lowell]

Sorry these last two days have been a mess. Left work too long, it seems.

Give me a couple more days to catch up. In the meantime, search your better angels and realize killing me is opportunism.

[Lowell]

Still not giving up on getting a reread in. As soon as I get through my inbox at work.

For now the scum are among Sens, shanba, and nat. Feel free to give me accolades when I'm right and proven amazing.

[Lowell]

From page 32, start of a new day.

775- reck, dram scum die. inhim, bodyguard, dies
779- scot doesn't want rib to be tribune [why?]
781- nat defends rib for sparing jack, also jack
791- parama disagrees, sides with scot
794- rib defends his actions as tribune [+]
802- feysal attacks nat, sens [+, good points]
816- poro makes no sense
818- magua mentions poro's "win condition" as though he knows [--]
865- fonz enters [+, pretty good]
866- magua defends jack [-, looks a little flustered]
889- nat defends jack as well
907- primate re-enters, wavers on jack
930- sens continues fonz asskissing [-]
940s- discussion about lynching jack continues, same battle lines
982- rib and fonz tribunes
991- sens hopes fonz will like him, asks him to prom [-]
1002- nat continues defense of jack
1010- magua defends jack
1016- scot explains why jack may be scum w/ reck/dram [+, well said]
1024- fonz fleshes out the meta-lurker-lowell case
1047- fonz says lowell is scum b/c people haven't attacked him [-, play better!]
1048- sens gives bj to fonz
1068- spyrez executes jack
1072- fonz and rib approve
1074- feysal makes sens-scum case [+]
1080- magua points out sens' bitterness about consul mechanics [+++]
1097- primate approves lynch
1101- jack, godfather, is dead
1102- poro, bodyguard, dies, fonz and shanba are tribunes
1151- sens strawman's lowell [-, lowell knows the rules. lowell knows all]
1159- feysal points out jack/lowell connection in jack's posts [not my fault I'm popular!]

Throwing this post out before I leave work, just in case I end up dead for some reason.

The final scum are:

sensfan

- The sycophantic treatment of fonz is tedious... and jarring. I've played with sens quite a bit, and I don't remember him ever giving anyone the star power he's awarding fonz. I've highlighted a few of the ones that caught my eye, but missed just as many. Not sure why magua turned his back on this case almost immediately after 1080, though I have a theory.

magua

- Clearly scum like bussing this game. In fact, sometimes scum are almost TOO good at sniffing out scumslips, and I think that's what happened here when 1080 refers all the way back to post 48. Of course, there's a slip of his own as well. Post 818 casually references poro's win condition in a post berating him. magua doesn't consider poro scum, he just says he's playing against his wincon. Weird. Later, in 866, he becomes a bit flustered in his defense of jack. Like he can feel the wheels coming off, at least a little.

Maybe

spy

also. Less confident on my read on him, but I'm not seeing what others are that makes them think he's town. His style seems to grow more aggressive when he's feeling confident... which he clearly is. I just have this sense he's envisioning himself as the decimated scum-team's savior.

Some town players:

scotmany

. 1016 turned us in the right direction when attention might have drifted away from jack. kudos for that. Also I respect the vigor with which he defended his inane position on rib-trib.

feysal

. All his posts are on the money, with only a few exceptions. Even when he's wrong (re: lowell), he shows independent thought. So kudos.

ribwich

. Still don't see how he could be scum given his actions as tribune.

Everyone else I'm on the fence.

Nat

on the one hand deserves credit for jumping out on a limp about jack (even though he was wrong), but I can't quite fully shake the idea that he was doing it just to PROVE HOW OUT ON A LIMB HE COULD GO OMG TOWN!

fonz

' picture makes me want to punch him in the face. However, he's brought new energy to the game and given sensfan someone to fawn over, both of which are fun.

para

and

primate

, no idea. Anyone else I'm forgetting, your play is equally forgettable.

Again, apologies all for my lack of participation of late. Feel free to use this bit of LOWELLMAZING to cruise to an easy victory.

[Lowell]

And yes I realized my last two posts don't match... that's what happens when you don't read the thread.

[Lowell]

Um, well, for one, a confirmed scum DID SPEND THE ENTIRE DAY OF HIS DEATH ATTACKING ME. So not clear what you're talking about here.

[Lowell]

Lowell: scum sometimes like bussing
Fonz: I'm KILLING YOU BECAUSE SCUM DIDN'T ATTACK YOU.
Lowell: uh, okay, well in that case, jack attacked me.
Magua: CONTRADICTION!!!

Am I right? More or less?

[Lowell]

Anyway, kill sens and we're fine. Still an easy win, don't overthink it.

[Lowell]

There's no reason to argue this point. Either jack "ignored" me, proving I'm scum, or he "bussed" me, proving I'm scum. It's over. If the execution goes through, no worries.

You're next either way.