First in the Case Against Fate, Bhavitgoyal. His iso is reproduced in entirety below:
Yeah, there's nothing. Nada. Not a single post. + scumpoints for starting out as a lurker. So he gets replaced by xvart.
Xvart doesn't post any sort of response to the game so far, just jumps right in. Now, I can tell that this is sometimes hard to do, but the BS wagon looked so scummy, surely there was something to comment on there? Just jumping in isn't a playstyle I'm familiar with - most people seem to at least skim the thread when they replace in, especially if it's under 30 pages when they do so. xvart did no such thing.
xvart wrote:smargaret, 399 wrote:Blooderection is the play today. I'm not joking.
VOTE: Blooderection
Hmmmm... Are you saying what I think you're saying?
chesskid3 wrote:Traduzione: io sono feccia e mi piacerebbe spingere due (probabile, idk circa manho) misslynches perché, si sa, le restrizioni post sono assegnati in modo casuale e tutti e nessuno feccia preso uno a questo gioco. [[TRANSLATED: I'm scum and I'd push two (probable, idk about Manh) misslynches because, you know, the restrictions are randomly assigned and all scum and no one got this game.]]
The post restrictions are randomly assigned? I was not aware of this. (going back to look at previous SWN games for any indication that this is true or public knowledge.)
xvart.
xvart starts rolefishing. Yeah, I was softclaiming, but there wasn't a real need for a fullclaim - I offered later in the day, and only one other person said that they wanted me to claim. So I'm already predisposed to think Fate is rolefishing when he talks about running people up to get a claim.
Then there's the mess with the post restrictions. Pushing a series of policy lynches instead of scumhunting (and that's the important part, the INSTEAD OF SCUMHUNTING - xvart wanted to go through and lynch chesskid day 2, then the other two prs days 3 and 4 if we didn't hit scum) is a bad idea any day but day 1 - there's stuff to actually scumhunt on, and xvart ignored it in favor of an unsupported policy lynch.
Funny, xvart thought Parama was the sk as well. Does anyone who knows the xvart and Fate better than I do know if it's likely that they'd get the same exact read like that? Not even dayvig/sk/delayed nk, but agreeing on the role?
xvart encourages people to follow him wrt Chesskid's pr claiming that he's posted translations. But they're inaccurate. Who's misrepping now?
xvart wrote:Let me be more specific:
The Stove
- why did you not vote BE yesterday instead of Baby Spice? What changed overnight that made you insta vote BE without further evidence or justification?
LL
- why did you not vote BE yesterday instead of Baby Spice? What changed overnight that made you insta vote BE without further evidence or justification (other than your "amazing scum hunting skills)?
xvart.
More rolefishing, but this is more subtle - the only thing that's happened since BS's lynch was BS's flip, the nk/dayvig, and any night actions people may have. So pushing these people specifically is essentially asking them to admit to night actions and possibly describe them = rolefishing. This is the towniest of all the rolefishing this spot has done, but it's still pushing it.
xvart wrote:Tasky, 674 wrote:the last time I made a post like this I was scum.
FoS: smargaret
As I recall, I think I made some points against smargaret a while back. Let me go back and check, but I am pretty sure I could swing for a smargaret lynch today in the unfortunate event that chesskid is not hanging from the gallows.
xvart.
Nothing wrong with the self-meta? And the "I'd be happy with this lynch" sounds scummy, especially after I softclaimed - you should want to lynch scum.
He's tunnelling on chesskid, not that chesskid's necessarily town, but come on, there's at least one more scum plus a possible sk out there! Then he starts posting to Stove, which is actually decent posting, but gets him ejected and in comes Fate.
CAPSLOCK ASPLODE!!!!
I see
-random voting as things come up, with frequent position changes - I don't know about how Fate usually replaces in, is the stream of consciousness catchup typical? That style always comes across as scummy and trying to distract town to me because it drags on and on and on and revives issues that were buried long ago. See in particular his view on Espeon - obvtown wagon must stop NAOW to voting.
Fate wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Why was I prodded? >.<
Or hell, lynching princess here might be the best way to minimize claims today.
Shes REALLY grating my scumdarnerves with her refusal to post content ever.
But I thought you wanted claims from Tasky, Chrono, and Espeonage?
Fate wrote:The Stove wrote:Well, xvart's gone so I'm not gonna respond to that mess.
Espeonage, where's your vote?
THIS IS ME REPLACING XVART, LIKING HIS POINTS, AND DEMANDING YOUR RESPONSE.
PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
See above about beating a dead horse when you post stream of consciousness catchups. That's a style thing though, and not sufficient for a vote in and of itself - but it does make me more inclined to vote Fate.
Hell we might even want to massclaim.
Yeah, this is important. Fate is waffling between wanting limited claims, mass claims, and minimizing claims - this is not the pulled-together (opinion-wise, anyway) town Fate I know.
Fate wrote:smargaret wrote:Fate did have a new read. He says Parama is scum.
I would much rather see Parama investigated than lynched, especially since we have other scummy people about today. I'm not getting the Espeonage wagon - I don't want a wall post, but is there anything other than his resemblance to Nobody Special that has Espeonage down as scum?
We have another cop? What?
If you arent GETTING the Espeon wagon you're GETTING on this one.
INVESTIGATION-IMMUNE SK FTW?
Look I'll make a case on Parama tonight after I get home, if thats REALLY what you want. He's scum six ways to sunday and we could really use one less NK at night (since as SK he'll have to hit town now to win)
Where's this case? You're on me about how I need to make a case, but that case consists of "Parama's trying to change his meta! He doesn't care that I replaced in! He's making lists! OMG lists!" and I just don't see how that's supposed to convince anyone.
Fate wrote:smargaret wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky
Happy Fate?
@ Mod I'll be V/LA Tuesday through Sunday with Thanksgiving stuff.
Reasonably.
Tasky fullclaim in your next post or I will turn my laser beams on you.
This is not a role fish. This is not a request. This is a demand that will end in your death if not met in a timely manner.
Pretty sure Tasky's voted since this post. Also pretty sure Fate's ignored it.
Okay, let's talk about my reaction to the Tasky reaction vote. I couldn't tell whether Fate's "You chewed up the town read and spat it out" was serious or pressure and tbh, I don't really like people assuming the role of town leader. So I wanted to see whether Fate would reverse his read just as quickly if I stepped back in line. So I did what Fate wanted - I put my vote on one of the leading wagons. Fate then drops any suspicion of me. Thus, I concluded that his scumreads are as punitive as the enhanced pat-downs, and about as worthwhile. When I get out of line, there I am back under the gun. So Fate isn't scumhunting, he's trying to get town to follow him and that can't be pro-town.
Fate wrote:Stove if she leaves her vote on me and goes V/LA, I'll have no choice but to get her lynched.
I hope you understand. She is incredibly obvscum.
Fate seems awfully afraid of a single vote. I thought one vote standing alone didn't do much to pressure anyone, but gee, it sure seems to be pressuring Fate.
