Vibebox wrote:Wow. That's a metric fuckton of posts to catch up on. @_@
Prod-avoiding active-lurking non-content Post Go!!!!
How does anyone have a Town read on Vibe again?
I’ll do a detailed ISO case on Vibebox soon since everyone seems inclinded to let him slide.
Nacho wrote:Last game we played together was Perpetual MyLo (I think), where I'm almost positive you weren't the one who caught me. So, you don't know my scum meta as well as you think you do, and should watch out from clearing people with weak reasoning.
No, the last game we played together was Disgaea 2 Mafia, where I nailed you Day 2 and although I couldn’t convince the remaining Town players (UK was horribly anti-town that game) I did make it clear enough that Kise Vengekilled your scummy butt.
But this brings up something that disturbs me greatly.
YOU DIDN’T PLAY PERPETUAL MYLO MAFIA.
Nacho you didn’t ever post at under this account that game. The one person who did play in that game that I know is an Alt is Rena.
Who is supposed to be Haylen’s moderating alt.
What disturbs me about that is the recently ended Earth’s Struggle Large Game. In that game Rena was a player in Haylen’s game. When challenged by ZachRulez about this obvious conflict of interest Haylen explained that someone else (Nacho) was using the Rena account.
So is Rena a shared Alt of both of you?
Nacho wrote:WHO IS ONLINE
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So your litmus test for scummy lurking is predicated on finding players who choose not to turn on the Anonymous browsing ability here on MS? Doesn't that just find lazy players instead?
VV wrote:What is wrong with podium's 'scumhunt'?
Are you seriously asking this question. I pointed out exactly what I disliked about Podium’s ‘scum-hunting’ in my review of the case against him. ISOing me should quickly show you my thoughts on the issue. Be advised that based on prompting that is explianed further in this post I have revised my opinion on his scum-hunting re: Implosion.
VV wrote:And you automatically assumed motivations on my #176..without even criticizing the post in question. Why would you assume a scum motivation if you didn't even analyze it? Horrible.
Really? I thought it was easy to identify ‘SCUM INTENT’ in posts even without being able to identify specific scummy things about the post in question. You’ve said so elsewhere. I’d really like to hear your response to this.
Fate wrote:I'm trying to figure things out, and I have found a certain undeniable scumtell, and you have no way to explain it.
Fate wrote:I've conceded that you may very well be town, but there's just one more thing holding me back.
These statement need to be equipped with knives and put into a pit until only one emerges the battered and bloody victor. Because they can’t co-exist.
1. If the scum-tell is ‘undeniable’ and he has no way to explain it why bother asking him to do so when there is no Town answer?
2. How can he be likely Town when he’s committed an scum-tell that can’t be explained away?
Podium wrote:Personally, the whole 'i caught you coaching thing' is way overused (and overrated) as a scumhunting thing. I've just never seen it, or talked to anyone else that has ever seen it, ACTUALLY happen (in a blatant form like that). But i've seen a ton of people try to use it against someone. i think it's scummy, and is an example of someone taking something small/petty in RVS to try and blow it up. (hey gw, where were u on this bud? i mean... he actually made a case and a vote and everything...)
Funny that you attack my comment as Coaching when I never used that word at all. I said that it was “either a veiled attempt at in-thread communication to a partner of some sort or a reaction test.” Notice that the word coach never appears there. Because it obviously wasn’t coaching.
Communicating in thread to a partner of some sort doesn’t have to imply scum at all. There are any number of roles in Mafia that involve searching for someone to make your role more effective. Weak linked Vigs and activated Masons / Neighbors come to mind off the top of my head. Certainly it could be some sort of scum using coded language to communicate (since per the Mod they do not have Daytalk) or searching by or for a Traitor. Which is still not coaching.
You gloss right over the ‘reaction test’ portion of the statement.
So Podium, why jump to right to the coaching conclusion? Was it the easiest way you could prop up your Townread on Vibe?
Podium wrote:MOI remains on the vibe trail, and his 177 has some pretty shoddy arguments in it regarding vibe. i can go into detail if wanted, but im leaving it now out for brevity.
**And dont forget that VV (whose arguments were almost the same as MOI's) had backed down from his case... based on the same discussions that MOI is continuing to force the case with. Interesting, no? **
Podium wrote:His 238 also includes some pretty lousy arguments. (i have a post open to him discussing some of this)
Love these posts.
1. For someone who has screamed “PROVE IT TO ME” about any number of statements made towards you so far that you are happy to just call an argument shoddy or lousy without substantiation is at best hypocritical and possibly scummy.
2. Care to prove how VV’s arguments were ‘almost the same’ as mine?
3. How should VV’s willingness to revise his opinion impact my read on Vibebox?
4. I note that use of ‘Interesting’ as a means to slyly suggest something is scummy without directly saying so, which is scummy.
Podium wrote:The credibility of his reaction/explanation is a different issue than how that statement was or wasn't in context... which was implosions beef.
How do you feel about his paraphrase?
I looked at the post in general. Implosion quotes Seacores ‘I’m used to being accused” statement and makes a vote with the phrases “Excuses, excuses, excuses”.
The paraphrase does take the statement out of context, looking at Seacore’s ISO 4.
So Implosion gets scum points for attacking a point Seacore didn’t make. In that context I will revise my statement regarding scum-hunting in as much as it applies to Implosion.
podium wrote:but 176 really was a superb post. nobody knows my alignment but me...
I missed this tidbit the first time but would like you to address it more completely?
How is this statement possibly true unless you are some third party? Because either as scum or Town the scum-team would know your alignment.
Podium wrote:I don't understand what you mean here.
It means that if you truly believed that VV was scummy you would have further developed that suspicion. By, perhaps, pointing out what you perceived as VV’s total lack of input.
But you didn’t … you made that +scumpoints comment and then blessed VV Town when he defended you.
Podium wrote:AGAIN... +scumpoints doesn't necessarily mean it is a top scum choice. It could take the person from null to null leaning scum, or from town to null leaning town, etc.. I had more than 2 scumreads at that point, btw.
Can you show me in your ISO, before the VV post, where you explain your 2 scumreads?
Implosion is obviously 1 based on your ISO 15.
You incorrectly attack Seacore for ‘pontial light distancing’ in the same post.
The rest of the ISO before that was defense posts mainly towards Fate and GW. No assertion of scumminess of either in a credible fashion.
So who were your unspoken other scumreads you had by ISO 17?
Podium wrote:"you find it hard to believe i would ignore..." ??? what do you mean?
I think it is pretty clear. I don’t believe that someone you identified as scummy (yes, that is what posting someone has +scumpoints is to me regardless of your wonderful ‘taking null to null leaning scummy’ argument) would disappear from you attention completely, regardless of the ‘fire’ you were taking.
Podium wrote:Find me one person outside of this thread that thinks those points weren't valid explanations/rebuttals. This is a scummy misrep.
Ummm, what? Are you asking Ghostwriter here to go outside the thread of an ongoing game and solict feedback as a way to prove that the posts in question were not valid and substantive?
I don’t see why you would possibly say this as it is directly against Site rules (Don’t discuss ongoing games) and thus is an unassailable statement. Ghostwriter can’t do what you ask without purposely breaking site rules and possibly being punished and if he doesn’t you can say “See, I asked for proof and you couldn’t deliver”. Horrible statement to make.
Implosion wrote:A thought occurs. What if podium is a jester? I'm not sure but I think he might be going out of his way to be scummy... he just ignored my question for the second time in a row, and I'm pretty fucking sure it was on purpose. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
Insert facepalm speculation here. If podium is a jester approaching the pressure in the manner he did wouldn’t be playing to win.
@Ghostwriter re 240
– In the future if you make a large catch-up post please identify who you are addressing in each point. The way you did it here makes analyzing your input horribly difficult.
Also – what happened to your planned review of Vibebox.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.