Zhero,
It is now Day 2. With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Leftover time from Yesterday was 2 days. The deadline today is set for the end of December 8th, PST.
I would like you to explain this.smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:OK, Zhero is a L-2. I'm a bit worried at how fast this has come up. Either it there is at least one scum bussing their partner Zhero, or scum jumped on the wagon of town. At first it didn't seem as bad to me, voting for the lesser wagon, given that werewolf was L-1. However, with the points brought up on the previous page, I'm very strongly believing it to be scum.
implying you did not act at night? LoLchesskid3 wrote:ah crap I forgot about this one.
Agreed.Gonzoooo wrote:@mallow - you've said very little this game. I want your next post to be an extensive list of reads and your thoughts on the lynch/kill last night and who you would most like to see lynched immediately.
Agreed. However:don_johnson wrote:I'm on holiday, but will try to read and post by the weekend. Chesskid premature claim is antitown.
Why did you bring this up at all?lewarcher82 wrote:implying you did not act at night? LoLchesskid3 wrote:ah crap I forgot about this one.
half joke, half serious. I always find it scummy when at daystart a player says "hey, I forgot about this thread"implosion wrote:Agreed.Gonzoooo wrote:@mallow - you've said very little this game. I want your next post to be an extensive list of reads and your thoughts on the lynch/kill last night and who you would most like to see lynched immediately.
Agreed. However:don_johnson wrote:I'm on holiday, but will try to read and post by the weekend. Chesskid premature claim is antitown.
Why did you bring this up at all?lewarcher82 wrote:implying you did not act at night? LoLchesskid3 wrote:ah crap I forgot about this one.
ThAdmiral wrote:I would like you to explain this.smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:OK, Zhero is a L-2. I'm a bit worried at how fast this has come up. Either it there is at least one scum bussing their partner Zhero, or scum jumped on the wagon of town. At first it didn't seem as bad to me, voting for the lesser wagon, given that werewolf was L-1. However, with the points brought up on the previous page, I'm very strongly believing it to be scum.
Before anyone does something stupid: no,don_johnson wrote:Explain 258 a bit more pls. The word "therefore" implies that your conclusion of handing out scumpoints to sk somehow stems from the idea that "big is useless." R u saying u think vig Shud claim?
QFT. Even if there was never any chance for the vig to shoot again, they wouldlewarcher82 wrote: Before anyone does something stupid: no,vig must not claim. He just must not shoot, for the moment. Vig is not useless. He is just useless in this phase of the game. At game end, on a mylo-situation (and being an open-game, we will know very well when it is mylo), if we mislynch he may save our ass by shooting right.
ThAdmiral looks like town, yes. He suspected Lew and stuck by it until Lew made a post dispelling his reason for voting him. His reasoning looks solid. Purple Orange is also a new entry who has posted a lot of real content, by the way.I want to share my reading of Thad, since I didn't write anything yet. I believe he is town. I liked the way he sticked to his vote on me when someone proposed to lynch werewolf first, and I liked the way he carefully read the post in which I explained my not-even-half-case on mallow. That said, I have no idea what his reading of me is, and at the moment I do not care. I want rather everyone to tell me what they think of Thad, since he is the only new-entry who actually posted some real content so far.
I'm also suspicious of Purple Orange for a very passive response to the werewolf wagon. I'm not entirely sure if it's passive support or passive dislike, but I think it's the former. In post 214, Purple both dismisses what he sees as reasoning for most of the werewolf wagon, and says that he still thinks werewolf is scum. It looks to me like he didn't want to be on the wagon, yet he wanted to make it look like he thought werewolf was scum. Or, he wanted no connection or even a strong disconnection to the wagon, but still had to uphold his previous position that werewolf was scum.Purple Orange wrote:Gonzoooo
I'd obviously have to die to prove it, but Gonzoooo was right, and Consig was "confused town," not mafia. And stepping out and preventing the lynch of a VI isn't something scum has much motivation to do. Sure, I can think of an instance or two where it would make sense, but the odds are low enough that I'll mark Gonzo's defense of Consig as a strong towntell, until something proves otherwise.
in part. Still, when Zhero was at L-2, it would mean that some town players were on the wagon as well. The reasons for voting Zhero were pretty good: he seemed to ignore the fact that an early claim is a scumtell. Therefore I want to know: did you find Zhero scummy? Or were you convinced that he was not scummy at all?smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:ThAdmiral wrote:I would like you to explain this.smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:OK, Zhero is a L-2. I'm a bit worried at how fast this has come up. Either it there is at least one scum bussing their partner Zhero, or scum jumped on the wagon of town. At first it didn't seem as bad to me, voting for the lesser wagon, given that werewolf was L-1. However, with the points brought up on the previous page, I'm very strongly believing it to be scum.
Yeah, kind of a "blargh im going to write every thought going through my head post."
So, first off, worry about the Zhero wagon. In my opinion, his wagon in the first place sprouted up way too quickly, so I was speculating that it could have been a wagon on town, which scum had jumped on quickly, or if Zhero was scum, one member of the scum team jumped on to gain town cred, knowing that Zhero scum would claim a power role and not be lynched. Now that it turns out he was town, I definitely believe that at least one scum jumped on that wagon quickly, and likely stayed on it, hoping to lynch the power role anyway.
From the sentence that begins "At first it..." was my ideas on Zhero himself. Originally, I had understood his reasoning for not voting werewolf and causing the lynch, but now that people had written out the case against him, I started to believe that he was scum.
Does this clarify things?
I fail to see mallow's scumminess. He voted werewolf for a reason that I find legitimate. He did vote me following dj, ok, but this is a very little scumtell, so I fail to see the reason of such a strong scumread. Please, explain.also, I still think that mallow is scummiest, but i have yet to do a reread for my other candidates for mafia. Will try to post later today, but im not sure i'll have time, might as wellv/la till sundayfor the holidays and such.
And if you do believe this, why wouldn't you have already started looking through the wagon for who this might have been?ThAdmiral wrote:Who do you think this might have been then?smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote: Now that it turns out he was town, I definitely believe that at least one scum jumped on that wagon quickly, and likely stayed on it, hoping to lynch the power role anyway.
What exactly is your purpose in asking this? I personally don't mind answering, but some folks prefer not to share reads if they're currently coming up "town."lewarcher82 wrote:That said, I have no idea what his reading of me is, and at the moment I do not care. I want rather everyone to tell me what they think of Thad, since he is the only new-entry who actually posted some real content so far.
Gonzoooo was not scum defending a scumbuddy when he defended Consig. He was either a townsperson trying to save a VI from a lynch, or he was scum doing the same, to earn towncred. It's a heap of WIFOM as to which one it really is. But I was willing to bet that the simpler explanation -- "Gonz is town" -- was the correct one.implosion wrote:@Purple Orange: please elaborate on this:Purple Orange wrote:Gonzoooo
I'd obviously have to die to prove it, but Gonzoooo was right, and Consig was "confused town," not mafia. And stepping out and preventing the lynch of a VI isn't something scum has much motivation to do. Sure, I can think of an instance or two where it would make sense, but the odds are low enough that I'll mark Gonzo's defense of Consig as a strong towntell, until something proves otherwise.
It was passive support (if I'm understanding your terms correctly). Wolf was my secondary suspect throughout the day. I wavered once or twice (especially during the Zehro case), but rereading his ISOs I always came back to him, and was perfectly fine with his lynch.implosion wrote:I'm also suspicious of Purple Orange for a very passive response to the werewolf wagon. I'm not entirely sure if it's passive support or passive dislike, but I think it's the former. In post 214, Purple both dismisses what he sees as reasoning for most of the werewolf wagon, and says that he still thinks werewolf is scum. It looks to me like he didn't want to be on the wagon, yet he wanted to make it look like he thought werewolf was scum. Or, he wanted no connection or even a strong disconnection to the wagon, but still had to uphold his previous position that werewolf was scum.