Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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@ Elli -- Because I asked you who stayed with you (as that is VERY RELEVANT and you've already claimed), and you didn't claim anyone.
@ camn -- You've established that it's a problem regardless of which of us is lynched in the event that we're both town. That situation applies regardless of who I want to lynch, though. My best move is to want to lynch scum and avoid it.-
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Saporo's avoidance of this issue only makes sense to me if camn is scum with her.
1. If she were town, she would make this kind of situation a priority instead of avoiding it (e.g. announcing V/LA that goes past deadline in another game while ignoring this one).
2. If she were scum and both of us were town, she would lynch camn because camn has been her biggest scumread all game, and I have been among her biggest townreads.
3. And if she were scum with me, she'd still lynch camn.
Lynching me goes against her prior reads, so it's something slightly harder for her to do.
This also contextualizes two odd things she has done this game.
A. Even though camn was her major suspect, she's not rhetoric'd against her at all today.
B. When she listed camn and SX as her major suspects upon replacing in, she named SX the greater of those two. When I said that SX probably wouldn't be the lynch, she responded in an unusual way:
Which has funny pragmatics.saporo wrote:Are you saying we can't lynch spyre?
The only problem with all that is that it doesn't explain her more recent post about camn very well, though I suppose her being town doesn't explain it much better.-
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Saporo needs to vote.
Staying out of this vote is totally anti-town on every level.
And Ice, you better think up new alternatives, cuz Sapo isn't scum with me.
Like: she is scum, and knows I am town, and fears hammering me will earn her the lynch for both breaking her agreements and hammering a townie.
BUT, she cant hammer ICE because it goes against her prior reads...
which equals no good solution.
Which is why she needs to vote."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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SpyreX POWERFUL WIZARD
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Without question this needs to end with a sap vote.
Without question this needs to end soon.
Without question I am more than a little irritated.
I'm not sure what to make of camn not bringing up the scenario that's becoming more apparent to my eyes BUT we'll leave that since I'm not brining it out.
Additionally, looking at activity I'm REALLY not stoked at there being a post after that V/LA and it not being here.-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Oh people did. I'm too lazy to check right now who. I'll do it later. the point of me claiming was to show that Katsu was lying so he was town though.Iecerint wrote:@ Elli -- Because I asked you who stayed with you (as that is VERY RELEVANT and you've already claimed), and you didn't claim
I'm overcome by the sudden urge to switch to spyspy but I'll restrain my inner kraken killer that holds no abide on me.FLASH OF GREEN-
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I wasn't here during all that, but I still don't understand why lying would make you town. BUT W/E.
I'm already relying on NP hiding with me as a towntell. If any living players hid with you ever, you should tell ASAP, because that lowers the chance that they are scum -- especially if they did it after vezok died.-
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WHY DONT I GET TOWNPOINTS FOR THAT???
I have already established why my hide-claims are legit.
MikeBurnFire did say I was lying.. but then admitted that HE was lying.... but I guess Ice doesn't think THAT is too scummy since they are voting together now....WHY DOESNT MIKE GET SCUMPOINTS FOR BLATANTLY LYING?
ICE IS SCUM."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Because it is less confirmed, and I'm comparing you to NP, whoseAREIS confirmed.-
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Yeah, but you're asking about the reason for my behavior, so that's the perspective you should evaluate it from.
Mike made me uncomfortable there, but only so many players can be scum.-
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how are my claims less confirmed?
Are you seriously proposing that I systematically lied every night about my whereabouts, knowing full well that I could be caught at any moment.. for no discernible reason?
Is that your proposition?
Or are you sticking with "I forgot that that happened... but it doesn't change my logic at all""if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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I know 100% that NP hid with me once. I am only pretty sure you hid where you said you did.
I agree that your announcement of hiding locations makes you somewhat less likely to be scum.
However, basically, I really don't want to believe that there were no scum on that wagon, so I have to stick with you being scum.
At best, your hiding information just cancels out NP's.-
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then why do you keep saying it gives NP townpoints, but fail to mention it with me, hmmm?
Because you are scum, and your arguments cannot stand the blinding heat of real logic. Thats why."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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The deadline was pushed back due to Saporo's V/LA.-
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@ camn -- Because "at best" does not mean the same thing as "btw."-
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