Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[Ellibereth]

Where are you getting that noone has stayed with me. >.>

[camn]

And I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

That is not helpful at all.

[Iecerint]

@ Elli -- Because I asked you who stayed with you (as that is VERY RELEVANT and you've already claimed), and you didn't claim anyone.

@ camn -- You've established that it's a problem regardless of which of us is lynched in the event that we're both town. That situation applies regardless of who I want to lynch, though. My best move is to want to lynch scum and avoid it.

[Iecerint]

Saporo's avoidance of this issue only makes sense to me if camn is scum with her.

1. If she were town, she would make this kind of situation a priority instead of avoiding it (e.g. announcing V/LA that goes past deadline in another game while ignoring this one).

2. If she were scum and both of us were town, she would lynch camn because camn has been her biggest scumread all game, and I have been among her biggest townreads.

3. And if she were scum with me, she'd still lynch camn.

Lynching me goes against her prior reads, so it's something slightly harder for her to do.

This also contextualizes two odd things she has done this game.

A. Even though camn was her major suspect, she's not rhetoric'd against her at all today.

B. When she listed camn and SX as her major suspects upon replacing in, she named SX the greater of those two. When I said that SX probably wouldn't be the lynch, she responded in an unusual way:

Are you saying we can't lynch spyre?

Which has funny pragmatics.

The only problem with all that is that it doesn't explain her more recent post about camn very well, though I suppose her being town doesn't explain it much better.

[camn]

Saporo needs to vote.
Staying out of this vote is totally anti-town on every level.

And Ice, you better think up new alternatives, cuz Sapo isn't scum with me.

Like: she is scum, and knows I am town, and fears hammering me will earn her the lynch for both breaking her agreements and hammering a townie.
BUT, she cant hammer ICE because it goes against her prior reads...
which equals no good solution.

Which is why she needs to vote.

[SpyreX]

Without question this needs to end with a sap vote.

Without question this needs to end soon.

Without question I am more than a little irritated.

I'm not sure what to make of camn not bringing up the scenario that's becoming more apparent to my eyes BUT we'll leave that since I'm not brining it out.

Additionally, looking at activity I'm REALLY not stoked at there being a post after that V/LA and it not being here.

[camn]

Are you referring to us simply lynching Saporo?

I don't think it is the optimal play.

[SpyreX]

Hosssss no thats not what I meant.

I'm feeding my own tinfoil thoughts at the momo.

[camn]

Well.. No worries, Spy
I know i can could on you to lynch me at deadline if Saporo flakes.

Just know that I am going to flip town.
You ALL should start planning for that.

[SpyreX]

It better not come to that.

Honestly, if I see ANY posts from sapo on site that ARENT here I will swing it that way before I let you get deadlined.

[Ellibereth]

@ Elli -- Because I asked you who stayed with you (as that is VERY RELEVANT and you've already claimed), and you didn't claim

Oh people did. I'm too lazy to check right now who. I'll do it later. the point of me claiming was to show that Katsu was lying so he was town though.
I'm overcome by the sudden urge to switch to spyspy but I'll restrain my inner kraken killer that holds no abide on me.

[Iecerint]

I wasn't here during all that, but I still don't understand why lying would make you town. BUT W/E.

I'm already relying on NP hiding with me as a towntell. If any living players hid with you ever, you should tell ASAP, because that lowers the chance that they are scum -- especially if they did it after vezok died.

[camn]

WHY DONT I GET TOWNPOINTS FOR THAT???

I have already established why my hide-claims are legit.
MikeBurnFire did say I was lying.. but then admitted that HE was lying.... but I guess Ice doesn't think THAT is too scummy since they are voting together now....WHY DOESNT MIKE GET SCUMPOINTS FOR BLATANTLY LYING?


ICE IS SCUM.

[Iecerint]

Because it is less confirmed, and I'm comparing you to NP, whose

ARE

IS confirmed.

[camn]

Only according to you, scum.

You used to be so logical.

What about Mike's lies? Your scumpinion on them?

[Iecerint]

Yeah, but you're asking about the reason for my behavior, so that's the perspective you should evaluate it from.

Mike made me uncomfortable there, but only so many players can be scum.

[camn]

how are my claims less confirmed?
Are you seriously proposing that I systematically lied every night about my whereabouts, knowing full well that I could be caught at any moment.. for no discernible reason?

Is that your proposition?

Or are you sticking with "I forgot that that happened... but it doesn't change my logic at all"

[Iecerint]

I know 100% that NP hid with me once. I am only pretty sure you hid where you said you did.

I agree that your announcement of hiding locations makes you somewhat less likely to be scum.

However, basically, I really don't want to believe that there were no scum on that wagon, so I have to stick with you being scum.

At best, your hiding information just cancels out NP's.

[camn]

then why do you keep saying it gives NP townpoints, but fail to mention it with me, hmmm?

Because you are scum, and your arguments cannot stand the blinding heat of real logic. Thats why.

[SpyreX]

Wooo nelly I'm pretty sure in the before times we talked in detail about how scum have no reason to lie (sans, of course, the bomberman).

[SpyreX]

And I missed this so I'm pissed:

Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:10 pm

[nopointinactingup]

Camn, you are very good at faking town.

[Iecerint]

The deadline was pushed back due to Saporo's V/LA.

[Iecerint]

@ camn -- Because "at best" does not mean the same thing as "btw."

[nopointinactingup]

Iecrint, if you think Camn is scum, who do you think is scum with Camn?