vollkan wrote:Smash wrote:
--- until that point, no, i did not think Consig scummy. When i went back over the thread and saw what others had pointed out, I started to believe that Consig was scum. It's a crime to change my mind?
It is fairly serious circumstantial evidence when there is no clear reason for the change (you still haven't given one) and the change has a patent scum motivation.
Smash wrote:
--- I saw it scummy for it to build up as fast as it did, probably with scum trying to look more townlike. I agreed with the reasoning behind, but I usually am suspicious when something happens to fast. leads to "mistaking how many votes there were" and early lynches.
You aren't addressing my argument.
If you had simply said "I agree with the reasoning, but this wagon is too fast" that would have been fine.
But you didn't. You not only agreed with the reasoning, but you also announced your own intention to join the wagon "in a day or two".
ok. sorry about changing my mind. But all I can say is that during my reread, Consig looked scummier than before.
Ok. I assumed that saying I would be joining the wagon meant that I agreed with the rationale. I said that the wagon was going too fast, which is why I didn't vote right away.
don_johnson wrote:smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:
Don
on page 2 votes for lew because of smilies.
on page 4 he returns, but doesn't comment on anything that has happened, only defending his vote by saying
don_johnson wrote:quick response there, powerox. vote about "smilies" really shouldn't be confusing. especially since i explained it thoroughly. what about it "confuses" you?
what exactly "happened" that you feel i should be commenting on at that point in the game?
Consig, his actions, and whether or not he was town or scum.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:after the above quote, he removes his vote,
as the wagon obviously didn't pick up steam
.
bolded is the add-on commentary opinion. what i posted was "lew's response was acceptable". so again, so far the case is basically a summary. kind of like a book report one might put together in the fourth grade.
I'm getting somewhere with this. You put a vote on a person for a reason, and removed it once no one really agreed with it.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:he also suggests going to another reason, but says he has to read over the game. sounds innocent,
but could be that he wants to test the waters and see who people would agree with a wagon on.
at the time there was a 4 person Consig wagon, but it probably would have been scummy to join that wagon so suddenly. something interesting to note is that gonzoo did not have any votes on him at the time.
anything "could be". our job is to find out "what is". this is just speculation. and funny, here smash describes a move to the consig wagon as something that might be "scummy". did consig flip town? how do we know that consig is not, in fact, scum? this is a grand assumption here. PO has been posting town, but if smash thinks the move to the consig wagon would be scummy, and that dj didn't do it, then this part of the case should read:
DJ ISN'T SCUMMY.
moving on...
I'm not saying that Consig/PurpleOrange is town. I'm saying that it would be scummy to jump on a large wagon early without anything to suggest that you were interested in the wagon. This part of my case is about the fact that you say little about anything, and instead say I will reread the thread. this gives you more time, and the Consig wagon would either get enough evidence that no one could ignore the evidence, so you wouldn't have to post a case, OR that the wagon would fizzle out and you could say "obviously Consig is townie, what are you guys talking about?" and you wouldn't have gotten your hands dirty by voting a large wagon.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:comments like this irk me. He shows that he's willing to go on the mallow wagon, and jumps on the zhero wagon once the case is brought up again, and a second person votes mallow.
it "irks" you? how? why? if i recall correctly, i was one of the pioneers of the zhero wagon. my iso 7 is wall of text which clearly explains my move to the zhero wagon. dismissing it by describing my move to the wagon as a mere "jump" is slightly off.
don't have too much time to look into the iso's and all right now, don't want to be online too long. make sure i check this tomorrow, so it's fresh in my head.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:looking back at the block. lew already has a vote on me, and it's obvious that TheAdmiral and Gonzooo also thinks im scummy. Just as votes and ta-da! insta-wagon! just add votes! but on a more serious note, he gets away with a vote on me, saying "he's not sure quite why" and trying to persuade 3 more votes on me. he pretty much wants to say you guys do the work, I'll vote with you.
and here is the "convincing" part? this sounds like a description of how one goes about getting a suspect lynched. you encourage others to vote with you, while voting one of your top suspects. is it suddenly suspicious to try and organize the lynch of a suspect in the game of mafia? how would you describe other wagons? like mine for example. i have just accumulated a couple of votes. is it an "insta-wagon"? and if so, is that scummy? all this is is more "summary". summary =/= analysis.
You get a suspect lynched by saying "hey, let's all vote for someone
you
think is scummy, but I won't say why just yet, because none of you have. Had you made up a case on me, then I would understand your vote. But you didn't. You voted me without reason, and encouraged others to vote me and give reasons of their own. Not making a case yourself + getting others to vote = scum.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:scum-tastic. i used the unvote from rvs because first mallow says he agrees with you, then unvotes, saying he was just trying to humor you. you said the vote was serious.
mallow agrees, therefore his vote is serious
. then he takes it back completely. i don't call this rvs
ooh. he's broken out the big guns. descriptor words. "scum-tastic". let's break this down:
smash wrote:i used the unvote from rvs... i don't call this rvs
dj wrote:
he is still using the events of the rvs to condemn mallow.
your case is tied into how mallow acted in the rvs. his initial backtrack from his rvs vote is the main gist of your entire case against him. your failed logic doesn't absolve you(its bolded). in rvs, people do things for reactions and such. people work to create pressure. mallow
may
have been doing just that. do you still feel strongly that mallow is scum?
yes. he has knowingly lurked through most of the game, giving minimal support and opinions on his leads and votes. I still believe that the above quote makes him scummy, but that isn't what my case on him is centered around.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:it could be scum picking on an easy target, ok. you could also be scum picking on an easy target, someone who a few players said they found scummy, and not posting much of a case yourself (aside from the above, which is not strong).
logic fail. can't say my case and your case are similar and that my case is not strong, but then vote me. its just silly.
confused at your comment. explain?
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:also, as was mentioned, the claim and move on wording is weird.
weird how?
just didn't like the wording of it.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:Even if I was, there are two more scum out there. and you feel you don't need to do much more at this time? How is that helpful?
if you are scum, then i am satisfied with the job i have done. finding scum is helpful. one at a time is the best i can do.
this seems to me that it's scum, taking one day at a time, getting one townie lynched at a time.
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:yes, that warrants your statement. You fail to see that i continued to say mallow was scum and said i would return with a bigger case. I've been calling a couple people scum at once, and putting my vote on one of them. so yes. i have called mallow scum and put my vote elsewhere.
did i miss the "bigger case" on mallow?
mentioned above, his lurking and minimal help to the town.
don_johnson wrote:smashbro wrote:you've fine with lynching either mallow or me? mallow is my top scum read. you did express interest in voting mallow, when you said competing wagons were good.
By doing that you rid yourself of being on a mislynch.
But your read on mallow mustn't have been very strong, was it? because when Zhero claim, you went to the werewolf wagon, thinking now that Zhero wouldn't be lynched, you would do well with a werewolf lynch.
please explain the bolded. i am unclear as to what you are implying and i would like clarification before i respond to this section. also, why have you done nothing to convince me to vote mallow?
i have posted my case on mallow, multiple times. I can quote it again if you'd like.
By voting for a competing wagon, you allowed yourself to avoid putting a vote on the werewolf(town) wagon, and therefore the scrutiny that comes the say after. I'm sayign that your move to mallow was just so that when werewolf (the more likely lynch) would probably flip, you would have hands clean and a suspect for the next day already.
ThAdmiral wrote:smashbro wrote:--- You first say it is scummy for me to leave my vote on someone who will not create a fuss over it. Then you say it is scummy for me to move my vote to other people. What?
I can see how you would get that impression but that is a slight misrepresentation of what I am saying.
Essentially I am accusing you of trying to fly under the radar. I believe you are doing this by keeping your vote on one person, and voting other people only when they have copped a bit of heat and look like potential lynches.
I have not been keeping my vote on one person. Though I have had my vote on, and believe mallow to be scum, I have paid attention to others. I can see your point about only voting others when it was popular, but since I believed that mallow was scummier than anyone else, I focused on him most of the day. If someone was close to lynch, or a popular wagon, I moved from mallow to hopefully learn more about their views, activities, and hopefully get a better read on them.
Gonzoooo wrote:@smashbro - where are you at? You haven't said anything since the attention shifted away from you? Lurking and crossing your fingers?
sorry, had a busy weekend. planned to be on more. If I had been scum, I would have popped on every so often and made small posts to push the dj case further, hoping for a quick lynch and the day to be over.