The Big Game

[don_johnson]

/confirm

[don_johnson]

vote: uite

for logic fail.

[don_johnson]

ditto.

[don_johnson]

Would hammer if I could.

[don_johnson]

uites posts from scummiest to least scummiest:

iso 3: omgus/avoidance
iso 2: jumping off the fake jester play? his post reads as really "trying to be townie", if that makes sense. of course, he could just be an idiot.
iso 0/1: lame rvs vote, overcompensation in the confirming post. tie here.
iso 4: makes absolutely no sense.
iso 5: by default, least scummiest.

of course, i'd also consider hammering fate. its day 1.

not sure what zangs vote is all about. maybe he thinks we are still in the rvs. but whatever. tbh, i probably wouldn't hammer. its just so much fun. and being a 7p, a hammer wouldn't break my heart. a hammer without a claim, maybe. but i see no reason to jump off the fake jester play that way.

[don_johnson]

zang: define "to eager".

[don_johnson]

you guys are idiots.

[don_johnson]

Why would you massclaim? We have the advantage. Let's lynch Zang first.

[don_johnson]

cogito: please vote zang.

vote: zang

like that. k?

[don_johnson]

even though zang did everything in his power to avoid the uite wagon? i'm like 94.37% sure that zang is scum here. lets lynch him first and lynch jack tomorrow if need be.

[don_johnson]

*sigh* well, he did hammer without a claim. honestly though, i'd bet my sanity on zang being the last scum...

[don_johnson]

Actually jack. It's not contradictory. Just vote zang. Suspicion of you is stupid.

[don_johnson]

I didn't say you were scummy. Zang is scum. We lynch him. He avoided the wagon like the plague. Cogito, why wouldn't a cop breadcrumb and why did you bring it up?

[don_johnson]

Set up is closed, no? Cop should only claim if he has to. It's a theme game so we have no way of knowing mechanics. Can we lynch the guy who did everything in his power to avoid and derail the day 1 godfather lynch? Pretty please?

[don_johnson]

I am cop. Investigated Zang. Got "guilty". My sanity is not confirmed.

[don_johnson]

Unless Zang claims doc we could just lynch him. If he flips town then I'm insane and could still investigate someone else, no? It is my understanding that an insane cop gets opposite results. I am the FSB.

[don_johnson]

well. i kinda let common sense guide my choice. godfather is an important role. especially if scum is 2 player, which is most likely in a 7p. so i figured i should pick one of the two guys off the wagon. dekes at least participated in the case. zang just avoided it hard. i also figured that the players on the wagon were more likely nk targets for scum and didn't want to waste an investigation.

edit: haha. thats rich. silly american.

[don_johnson]

my role pm states that my sanity isn't confirmed. i don't think that implies any other mechanic. in any case. what did you expect zang to do here?

[don_johnson]

And I don't think he's town but like I said before, it's only page 3 and I really don't think see why everybody thinks he is scum.

^^ when asked about uite.

[don_johnson]

maybe he was thinking uite was third party?

[don_johnson]

thinking out loud here:

do you think we are both insane? if not, we just need to lynch you. if you flip town, then i am insane. which would mean you are sane. which would mean dekes is scum.

if we lynch dekes and he flips scum, then we win. if he flips town. then you are insane/scum?

i still think i'd rather start by lynching you. unless you think we are both insane. in which case we lynch jack?

[don_johnson]

Set up is closed, no? Cop should only claim if he has to. It's a theme game so we have no way of knowing mechanics. Can we lynch the guy who did everything in his power to avoid and derail the day 1 godfather lynch? Pretty please?

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this is clearly a breadcrumb.

[don_johnson]

i was hoping to lynch zang without having to claim so i could test my sanity. that way, even if i was wrong, i'd get another investigation which i could then translate. i don't know how the cops could sort themselves out. maybe self investigate, but we don't know what the other scum role is. town most likely has a doc. scum probably has something more than a godfather. also, the "you may be insane" clause, may be in there in case i investigated the godfather night one. that way, scum doesn't win too easily.

edit: we lynch zang today. i am obviously not scum. its either zang or dekes.

[don_johnson]

no lynch favors scum in this scenario. the least we can do is narrow the field here...

[don_johnson]

1.I didn't say my results at the beginning of the day because I thought I might be insane. I was going to investigate fate in night 2 to check my sanity and claim the next day if I was sane.

how would that prove your sanity? why do you think you'd be alive on night 2? if you didn't breadcrumb your results, then your first investigation would be useless...

2.I investigated him because I wanted to investigate someone off the wagon.

how original.

[don_johnson]

jack: you hammered without a claim. if you're wanting to lynch the scummiest outside of investigation results, maybe you should self-vote.

edit: jack, mafia might kill zang night 2. his sanity and his investigation results would be lost. didn't you say earlier how you thought a cop would claim day 2?

[don_johnson]

tl;dr zang is a fibber. he's not telling the truth. he's scum.

[don_johnson]

ok. one more time for the slow kid in the back.

zang said this:

1.I didn't say my results at the beginning of the day because I thought I might be insane. I was going to investigate fate in night 2 to check my sanity and claim the next day if I was sane.

if zang is town, he runs the risk of being nk'd by scum on night 2. hence, his results and sanity are useless.

saying one would hammer, and actually doing it without a claim are two entirely different things. hammering without a claim is scummy. the only reason i don't think you are scum is because... wait for it...

i am a cop and i have a guilty on zang. zang, the guy who avoided the godfather wagon on day 1. the guy who didn't even lay down a vote in his first post on day 2 even though he claims to have received a guilty on dekes. the guy, who instead of wanting to lynch the guilty result to check his sanity, wanted to keep his results secret and then investigate FATE on night 2 to check his sanity. please reread this if you need to. zang is scum. okay. say it with me now... zang is scum. vote: zang

edit: *facepalm* masons in a 7p?

[don_johnson]

ok. you're sweet.

For the second time, I did not avoid the godfather wagon, I rejected it.

of course you did. you realized how important a role it was for your team and so you tried to keep it from happening.

I doubted that there would be masons in a 7 player game also but since there are probably only two scum and we lynched one, there is nobody for fate to claim as his partner that isn't town.

if you are town, investigating fate does nothing to speak to your sanity. please vote yourself.

[don_johnson]

Fine, lynch me. But lynch Dekes tomorrow.

so now you're willing to bet the game on your sanity? smooth.

if you're really town and you really think dekes is scum then you can self vote at anytime and get us to another night phase. i can then investigate dekes and see if he turns up innocent. which, if you are town and i am insane, he would, right? so yeah. anytime...

[don_johnson]

Either I'm sane or your scum.

thats what we call an either/or fallacy. we could both be insane, no?

[don_johnson]

i am obviously not scum. lynch zang. if he is town. tomorrow we lynch dekes.

edit: dutch? is that the land of fries and chocolate?

[don_johnson]

Fate lynch is better than no lynch. No reason to no lynch. Best plan: lynch Zang. He's questionable and we know hes not the doc.

[don_johnson]

if we are both insane then jack is scum.

unvote, vote: jack

?? can't hurt. if he's not scum then tonight the cops investigate themselves.

[don_johnson]

Fate lynch is better than no lynch. No reason to no lynch. Best plan: lynch Zang. He's questionable and we know hes not the doc.

Aren't you the fuckin clown that was going to hammer me D1 just for teh lulz?

yeah. that was me. but only because you're fate.

[don_johnson]

wow. you

are

dumb. investigate whoever you want then...

[don_johnson]

regardless, if we're not lynching zang, we're lynching jack. if we're not lynching jack, we're lynching dekes.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: zang

occam's razor. let's lynch this fucker. seriously, i have shit to do and for some reason i am glued to this game.

[don_johnson]

vote: no lynch

[don_johnson]

sorry, thought we were at 6. i would like to investigate everyone and since noone is getting nk'd i don't see the harm. i am confused as to whether or not the masons are scum myself. or if there are two scum factions. one 2 man, one 1 man? nah, that would mean sk and their is a lack of nk's for that to be the case.

my result: guilty on dekes. which, if i'm insane means that dekes is innocent. unless mykonian fucked me over completely and made me paranoid.

going strictly on whose scummiest, i would say dekes gets the nod, but i just have trouble beleiving the mason claim when theres no dead mason(s). i mean, wtf?

[don_johnson]

tbh, if we want to be safe, i think we should lynch one of the masons. that would eliminate the possibility of the "3 man no night kill scum team." it would also confirm the other mason for tomorrow. i could investigate myself to find out if i'm paranoid. idk...

[don_johnson]

fate: i have a guilty on dekes. if i am insane, that means dekes is town and jack is scum. so no, nothing about that post says jack is town.

edit: huh? so is fate claiming doc? i'm starting to wish i was a dayvig.

[don_johnson]

maybe i am paranoid.

[don_johnson]

yeah. i worked that out above. try reading my posts. no doc. why no kill?

well. i'm either insane or paranoid. only one way to find out. i'd rather no lynch and investigate myself. i guess the other possibility is that scum can somehow manipulate my investigations? but that would have to be one lucky night one choice. i'd rather find out my sanity before we lynch anyone. if i turn out to be insane, then that will put us in a good position.

[don_johnson]

ok. so we lynch. then i investigate myself. if i die, then i die. i think dekes goes first. two guilties on the same guy with both being incorrect would be mighty bastardy, no?

[don_johnson]

VOTE: Jack

Last to confirm is obviously scum.

vote: jack

isn't the jack wagon the one uite jumped off of thereby revealing himself as scum? this ones open and shut. no?

[don_johnson]

waiting for the flip...

never been insane before...

[don_johnson]

vote: no lynch

[don_johnson]

No lynch is best option. If scum has no nk then we no lynch til I find scum.

[don_johnson]

If we lynch we lynch dekes. I don't see any reason to do so. One more night works to our advantage. It just might win us the game.

[don_johnson]

Don't tell me how to play. Vote no lynch. If scum has an nk they can use it and narrow down the field. If not I can get one more investigation. Worst case is we end up back here. Why are you both so eager?

[don_johnson]

I'm not stalling. I'm voting no lynch. If fate votes one of you then ill reveal. Otherwise ill take it to night phase. Capece?

[don_johnson]

Guilty on CES. Could have self investigated to determine whether or not I was paranoid, but whatever.

vote: dekes

[don_johnson]

Zang got a guilty on you. I am obviously not sane. So my guess is that Zang was sane. If you werent in such a rush, I could have targeted myself tonight and confirmed my state of mind. Don't blame me because you don't want to cooperate.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: no lynch

[don_johnson]

and... i got a guilty on fate.

which means one of dekes and CES is scum. unless fate dragged this game another day just to be a dick. which i'm not going to rule out, but i'm certainly not going to vote him. leaning dekes. mainly cause i'm just tired of his whining. of course, he has brought up some good points on CES.

i'm gonna reread.

[don_johnson]

this is amusing. i'm waiting to hear from CES. now i have a few pages to catch up on from the looks of it.

[don_johnson]

W.O.W.

cES is scummy.

[don_johnson]

fate doesn't know where my votes going. thats fallacious.

vote: CES

nows your chance scumdekes.

[don_johnson]

UNVOTE:

That was exttremely reckless.

CES isn't scum wtf

if CES isn't scum, then dekes is scum, no? so why didn't scumdekes hammer? only way dekes is scum is if mafia has no nk. in either case, CES lynch isn't reckeless in the least. either CES is scum, or dekes scum has no nk and knows he has to make it through another day and is trying to buy town points.

or fate is scum. no?

[don_johnson]

Ok.

Vote: dekes

[don_johnson]

Haha. That's a nice scumsuit you're wearing, scumbag. You are implying a tremendous gambit. And CES is town because?

[don_johnson]

Actually, I'd like you to explain how I'm scum. Then explain why CES is town. You are the one who came and started this "1v1" .

[don_johnson]

Questions for D_J:
1. What the hell were you on about in Post 375?

you have been lurking the entire game. you accepted the "mason" gambit willingly. jack's points against you are valid. etc.

2. What did you think of Dekes' attack on Fate?

i thought it was dekes scum trying to survive.

You never commented on it at the time. Did you agree with Dekes' assessment that Fate could've faked the post-Jack celebrations?

no. FATE is a dick. that's what they do. did you notice the evil smilies yesterday?

ACTUALLY I came in considering OTHER OPTIONS othern than just "LOL QUICKVOTE CES GG" because I'm not that easily fooled.

how am i "not considering other options?"

YOU are the one that came in and said I WAS SCUM in response, hence STARTING the 1v1, whereas I was just stating my views.

i didn't vote you. i called you a scumbag and said you were wearing a "scumsuit". a suit covers ones body up. thus you can easily interpret it for what it was meant to mean: why the hell are you coming at me? i don't see how i can be a suspect here at all. implying that my cop claim was some sort of gambit is giving me wayy too much credit. the CIA and FSB being paranoid cops in a game with a godfather and a no-kill scumteam makes sense flavor wise.

SO yeah, I've already explained how you're scum (at least in bits and pieces) you've said NOTHING of why I am, all thread.

if you're scum then you've already won. i don't need to explain anything. it looks to me like CES is our scum, unless one of you is scum and the other is a type of third party. in which case i am screwed regardless.

[don_johnson]

Oh hai scum we got 4 hours to hash this out

(hint: youre missing the CES vote)

"it looks to me like CES is our scum"

WUT

what CES vote am i missing?

CES is voting me. i am town. if you are scum, then all you have to do is vote me. therefore either you are being a douchebag and are scum, or CES is scum trying to capitalize on your professed suspicion of me. its kind of counterproductive for me to think that you are scum and are just toying with us. if you are, there is not much i can do. therefore: it looks like CES is our scum. unless i am the only townie left. which is entirely possible. if that is the case, then you both should be claiming and lobbying for the win.

[don_johnson]

I am not "speculating". I said "CES is scum." You said " why?" I said " because if you were scum then you could just vote me ftw."

Wtf are you yelling about?

[don_johnson]

you have been lurking the entire game. you accepted the "mason" gambit willingly. jack's points against you are valid. etc.

Then what were you WOWing over? The only one of those which can be considered new is a bit of inactivity, which is fully explained by out-of-game factors; and I don't think I've been lurking apart from that. I don't see how the mason gambit thing is supposed to be scummy. And I like how you say "Jack's points" since it is very revealing - although Jack's case has 1), 2), and 3) in it, those are just used to indicate a timeline and it's just the one point he made. I didn't notice this mistake until I re-read Jack's post but this is a clear sign you're just piggybacking off of Jack.

whatever. you are scum. evidence is irrelevant. i ain't piggybackin anyone. you've done jack shit all game. at least i've been out busting my hump trying to learn my sanity(which is paranoid). jack/'s points, jack's point, same difference. what jack said made some sense and still does.

i thought it was dekes scum trying to survive.

Then why vote for me?

because you have been coasting. do you

really

think i fakeclaimed cop on day 2 with a guilty? come on now. either you are scum, or fate is scum. fate not hammering me makes him town. which means you are scum. its relatively simple logic.

IM YELLING BECAUSE YOU ARENT FUCKING VOTING WHO SCUM IS FROM YOUR POV AND ITS PISSING ALL OVER MY FUCKING READS

you annoy me. i had CES at L-1 yesterday and you jumped off like a flea. you vote CES, then i vote CES. that's how its going down. if you want to let your ego get in the way of a town win, that's fine, but i'm done playing your games.

meh. whatever.

vote: CES

this painful set-up has gone on long enough.

[don_johnson]

evidence is irrelevant.

Nopes. Answer the fucking questions.

i answered the question.

jack/'s points, jack's point, same difference.

It's the difference between you remembering that he said something and you remembering what he said - a pretty fucking critical distinction.

yup. i remember he said something that made sense. deal with it.

do you really think i fakeclaimed cop on day 2 with a guilty?

I suspect you had extra knowledge of some kind - I'm not ruling out anything in this set-up.

w.o.w. now you are making me chuckle. thanks for that.

either you are scum, or fate is scum. fate not hammering me makes him town. which means you are scum. its relatively simple logic.

Then why did it take you so long?

[/quote]

i explained that too. are you even reading? if you recall, i voted you like... yesterfuckinday.

[don_johnson]

Id prefer it if you expounded on your set-up theory. Town had one cop with questionable sanity and scum had a gf and a what? My answer wasn't evasive. I wowed because your play had been so obviously coasting scummy. I voted you because i thought you had a good chance of flipping scum. Tell me more of what townies don't do.

Fate: whatever.

[don_johnson]

of course. the cop claim is the place to look. in fact, lets look anywhere except at the lurker who coasted on a fake mason claim with a player who he obviously knew was town. let's not look there.

[don_johnson]

you fake claimed mason with another player. unless you know that player is town, you are running a pretty anti-town gambit and possibly clearing a scum. atm, fate is clear, so its easy to look back and say "oh, well i partnered up with a townie," but at the time, you should have had no clue as to fates alignment. i've heard of the mason claim gambit before, but its risky for those very reasons, and you have never once looked back and suspected fate at all. every townie we've lynched has accused fate of being scum. because townies look at all possibilities. but whatever.

we are in the hands of fate...

[don_johnson]

you carried it through. stfu.

and no. fate was never "obvtown" until he had the chance to hammer me and skipped it. with one more mislynch to go for a scum win, he hopped off your wagon at L-1. and you still gave him the townie cred? come on...

[don_johnson]

You do realise there's no way you can add 2 masons to a 7p game and expect it to remain balanced-looking, right?

then why go with the claim?

Carrying it through was never viable; the fact that Fate claimed before me is irrelevant.

according to you, evidence is relevant. you can't have it both ways.

And yes, he was obvtown (which isn't the same as cleared). If you didn't see it, that's your loss. His bout of voting for me was weird, yes, but that happened way after and also post-post-Jack celebrations.

every town member has accused fate of being scum. you are the only one who has claimed his as "obvtown" the whole way through without any reservations. also, you still can't explain why his jump off your wagon didn't make you the least bit suspicious.

[don_johnson]

2) Too much suggested he was town for it to matter.

exactly my point. nothing "suggests" you are town. whatever suggested fate was town should not have overruled what should have been to townCES, essentially a pretty scummy looking hop in a game with what appears to be no mafia nightkill.

lynch pls.

[don_johnson]

P.S. Fate could well be lying about the mason thing; he tends to do that sort of thing.

yuppers.

[don_johnson]

I'm curious as to how me jumping off CES wagon when town dekes wouldva hammered ces town (from the pov of hypo fate scum) and then I would've had Dekes dead the next day.

Elaborate please dj

?? who says you'd have dekestown dead the next day? if you were scum with no nk, then you need to do everything in your power to gain town points going into lylo. riding the townCES wagon damages your credibility, so you hop off. thus, if CES is town, he should at the very least be a tiny eensy weensy bit suspicious. but he's not. he never has been. and my earlier quote of his was to show that he actually did try to play both sides of the fence on your mason claim. but whatever. if you honestly think i fake claimed cop on day then by all means, hammer me.

[don_johnson]

no hard feelings fate. try and think things through next time. also, please don't discount my scumhunting efforts here. i had the "rod" at L-1 yesterday. also, i lynched zang because of the investigation

and

his actions. it wasn't like i was just dickin around. but whatever. gg CES.