Ugh, finished, sorta.
* Too little content from Mallow for me to be comfortable calling for a D2 lynch on the guy. He active-lurked like hell on D1, I don't like his interaction with DJ, and his move to the werewolf wagon definitely looks opportunistic (high point IMO of Smash's case). But it's a thin foundation on which to build a D2 lynch, when everyone else is exhibiting a ridiculous amount of content and connections (however befuddling), and will provide us with more to go off of post-flip. I really don't like having to removing him from consideration due to dearth of content, though, so for about the 50th time, we need a replacement ASAP.
(I know you're trying, mod. :(Are you allowed to repost your advertisement in the thread?).
* Did the body snatchers get to DJ overnight? I swear, pretty much every frikkin post of his D1 I have marked as "lol, town" and every one D2 as "wut?? scum." He was pretty laid back the first day, but jumped in with zingy and original points every now and then, considered a vareity of cases, and wasn't outright asking other people to do all his work for him. Also didn't engage in lengthy useless-at-best conversations about the mertis of a vigilante killing a dead townie.
* Thad and lew are not BOTH scum, unless there is a beautifully exquisite bus involved.
* Thad is hard to read. Lew's giving off conflicting reads.
* Smash cases on mallow and DJ were both weak. A high point or two to both, but when you're straw-clutching and nit-picking at every single post, you're bound to hit something.
* DJ case on implosion is weak. Not entirely comfortable with implosion, but the scummiest thing I've seen from him is misrepresentation of wolf and me as the basis of his votes.
@ DJ:
don_johnson wrote:smash wrote:Not making a case yourself + getting others to vote = scum.
false.
What? How so?
@Thad:
lewarcher82 wrote:I wonder why thad addressed his criticism to me alone (#345).
implosion wrote:ThAd 345: referral to the first lew possible rolefishing without mentioning the last 10 highly relevant posts... wut?
^Thirded, actually. Why only mention lew? (And, yeah, I realize I followed you on this, and failed to officially include DJ when I said "rolefishing." My bad, there).
And why the WIFOM about the extension? Didn't peg you as someone who'd do that.
Finally, why the werewolf vote in
#193? Not that I can't deduce one or more reasons from previous posts, but I'd like to hear your specific reason(s).
@ a dead guy and everyone
Zhero wrote:Holy crap, lew is town as hell here.
lew wrote:regarding the lynch: IF THERE IS A REAL COP; HE MUST NOT CC. I suggest we lynch werewolf and hope zhero is not genuine. If zhero will not die, we will analyse his report tomorrow and decide what to do. If he dies, we will analyse the wagon.
(Lew's
236 for reference).
OR he's scum and knows the roleclaim is darn likely genuine, and is cleverly jumping in to get townpoints from the situation. Nulltell. Get your townreads on lew from elsewhere plz guys, if you get them at all.
Edit while posting: LOLOLOL, Lew goes and says this as well. ROFL.
On the flip side, genuine major tonwpoint Gonzoooo, for immediately trying to shut down the vig discussion. Unless I'm really blind and missing some mafia-motivated reason for doing this.
Concerning Smash...
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226 is pretty bad. But I do see how you could have been saying, "I agree with the reasons, but I think the wagon has moved suspiciously fast just the same," and just communicated it really badly. (Ala Zhero's FAIL communication of his thinking in the "smell a bus" post). I'm willing to consider your responses to the questions about 226 as genuine clarification, not rationalization. Other people gotta make their own calls. I think 226 has been pushed about as far as it can be pushed, though.
#235 hasn't, however.
smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:as for the claim, I really don't know what to believe. There isn't much of a way to prove his claim, since it's only Day 1 on a day start game, and as sapo said, it is a bit tricky to deal with a power role claim near deadline. Might be that he's scum trying to pull off another day living. Let him live today, and if he's telling the truth, he'll be dead by morning. Let him live and he's fake claiming, we'll see him back here tomorrow, with some explaining to do. if we lynch him, he may be scum or a power role, so we're basically gambling. Almost want to say let him live, see what happens during the night, so we can go back and analyze his play.
I'd lynch werewolf or Zhero today. I'm beginning to think that Zhero is Mafia Jailkeeper trying to pull off living at least one night. werewolf has acted scummy and also jumped on the Zhero wagon quickly. Either one is probably scum, and so I could go for either. I'll keep my vote on werewolf at the moment, but if nothing much changes by Friday, 11:59, I'll switch over to Zhero.
What the heck? Why the waffling? OF COURSE YOU DON'T LYNCH THE CLAIMED POWER ROLE. If there's anyone that
jumped on the wagon quickly and stayed on it, hoping to lynch the power role (#266), it's freaking YOU. Everyone else (besides wolf and sapo -- both town and both dead) jumped ship right after the claim at the first opportunity. You're the only one who was actually still apparently considering a lynch. Scumpoint you.
(Sarcasm earlier in #235, though -- LOL, and justified.)
smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:lewarcher82 wrote:besides, I want to know why smash thinks Zhero is JK and not a simple nilla - always assuming he is scum.
Role Cop and Vigilante are the two town power roles, and so if he is scum, he could be claiming to drag a power down with him, or he could be trying to preserve some of the mafia's power. Mafia have a jailkeeper as their power, so it seemed to make sense that he might be trying to help his team for one more night.
Any mafia with brains would try to drag a power role down with them, jailkeeper or no. You make no sense here.
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EDIT: Think Gonzoooo has a point that we're probably 1:1, and either Smash or DJ is scum. Lulz. Or both. In which case it's probably good the townie guys are left to make the call.
I have no call on this right now. I'm leaning DJ, sort of maybe, because I think Gonz is town, because of DJ's night/day change (I've seen personality swaps in myself when scum), and because the heaping on top of Smash for 226 reminds me of Zhero and wolf, rightly or wrongly.