Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

I can get behind a haylen lynch, but I think Vas is a much better lynch prospect Today.

Why? VV is a flake.

[Substrike22]

UNVOTE: Elderad
VOTE: Lowell

Glork: My top 3 scum are:
1. Lowell, post 1032 was not well thought through or was a misguided attempt at stalling. Post 1044 seems like buddying or busing, take your pick based on which way you read Vas/Elderad.
2. Vas (his post 978, plus as Demon pointed out, Vas' voting pattern deserves a looking at.)
3. Haylen's scummy as hell at the end of day 3 but it also reads as raging townie. Especially her relentless pursuit of Agar. Agar reads as being a dick (at times), but not really scummy, which leads me to question whether or not Haylen is just angry or if she's scum and trying to use Agar's being a dick (at times) to her advantage.

Elderad's lynch yesterday on RC looks bad, especially after the cop explicitly asked him not to, regardless of Nacho's result. I also missed Nacho saying that he wasn't being lynched cause of a result. Throw all this in with the counter-doc claims. Nacho's plan to allow one of them to die during the night is sound, though.

Agar, post 1092 is not a direct contradiction. She's saying that it a) isn't scummy and therefore irrelevant, and b) irrelevant as it doesn't exist. Ends are the same and therefore justify the means in this case. It seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Do I need to recant your not being scummy? For all your occasional dick-ish-ness you seem like a smart guy so this post strikes me as odd.

@ DH, re post 1048; how does your logic in that not also implicate Lowell? To me that shows Lowell squirming, wondering if Nacho's got a scum read on him. Lowell looks guiltier to me than Agar in that, although I wouldn't call your read on Agar baseless.

[AGar]

Agar, post 1092 is not a direct contradiction. She's saying that it a) isn't scummy and therefore irrelevant, and b) irrelevant as it doesn't exist. Ends are the same and therefore justify the means in this case. It seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Do I need to recant your not being scummy? For all your occasional dick-ish-ness you seem like a smart guy so this post strikes me as odd.

You can't acknowledge it and then say it doesn't exist. That doesn't work.

[eldarad]

Why? VV is a flake.

Is he? His general posting frequency has been low throughout - he tends to make posts in clusters about once a week.
And I can see he has been posting in another game today, so I guess he will show his face here soon.

In terms of why we ought to lynch Vas - I haven't bothered to write up a full case, but here are the bullet points:
- Vas's positioning on wagons per DH's #1020
- apart from his weak though insistent push on AGar, all of his votes have been sheeping other people.
- no original ideas or firm positions. Take #613. He declares Nocmen town, but on the two ongoing issues at the time, he comments but doesn't express an opinion on either.
- the AGar push was lots of noise but no substance. My gut reaction is this was Vasscum trying to be seen to be taking a contraversial position but it's mostly smoke and mirrors.

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As a heads up, I am going home for Christmas on the 22nd, from that point I am likely to have very limited/no access for about a week.

[Lowell]

Did I get accused of buddying and/or bussing in a single post?? Wow, that's a new one. I'm amazing.

[DemonHybrid]

@ DH, re post 1048; how does your logic in that not also implicate Lowell? To me that shows Lowell squirming, wondering if Nacho's got a scum read on him. Lowell looks guiltier to me than Agar in that, although I wouldn't call your read on Agar baseless.

It may be a meta thing. I've known Lowell to turn on a whim, and I've lynched him cause of it, and he was a townie. AGar is almost never known to do something like that, so I find it somewhat suspect. I'm not voting for him over it, I just think the reaction was overblown and his ISO needs to be looked at.

Also, don't lynch VV. eldarad's crusade against him is confirming him as town.

[Nobody Special]

Equinox replaces VasudeVa effective immediately.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 5.06

AGar - 2 - Xine, Haylen
Equinox - 2 - eldarad, Lowell
Haylen - 1 - AGar
Lowell - 1 - Substrike22
Nocmen - 1 - Nachomamma8
Substrike22 - 1 - Nocmen

Not Voting: Equinox, Glork, DemonHybrid

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: January January 3

V/LA: ...

[Equinox]

Shoot. I thought he had 24 hours left. Oh, well.

Hi. Be back in a few hours.

[Glork]

eldarad's crusade against him is confirming him as town.

Disagree. If eldarad is as good as "caught scum," his crusade is largely unreadable. Showing that you can be played like a fiddle is a bad thing, DH.

[Nocmen]

I'm still here, holidays are sucking way too much time oiut of me to post too much. I really need to look into AGar scum as a possibility, I can see what people are pointing at but I need to see for myself to confirm and suspicions to myself.

Unvote

For now, Substrike has posted at least some of his suspicions, though my pressure vote to ensure that really didn't do too much for pressure.

Vote: Haylen

I'm not sure how you get away with it, it's really weird, plus I'm not too certain with the ate post. Seems a bit too off topic, I feel that regardless of AGar, I'm happy with that vote for now.

[Lowell]

I read myself in ISO and realized that I think AGar is scum. Must. Stick. To. PLAN!

unvote, vote agar

until equi says something ridiculous, then I'm back on him like white on glue.

[Glork]

Lowell, why exactly do you think AGar is scum?

[Equinox]

unvote, vote agar

until equi says something ridiculous, then I'm back on him like white on glue.

How's this for ridiculous: If you're so certain you're going to go back on me "like white on glue," then why not just keep your vote on me? Unless you actually want to lynch AGar first, I don't see the point.

Okay. I, uh, have a confession. I thought I had this down when I was still spectating, but the second I saw my name in the vote count, my confidence went straight down the gutter. Sigh. I'll read the last ~15 or so pages again, see how that goes, and then tackle the other 30.

So, spectating. While I was watching, I had my eye on eldarad, Haylen, and Lowell for their reactions to Nachomamma8's plan. FWIW, AGar and Haylen can't be scum together, but probability points to one of them -- need to read their argument to figure this out. There are about 3 of you who I'd blindly sheep (whether I do or not depends on how much my brain hurts) and a couple more I read as town. Yay.

Back in a bit.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 5.07

AGar - 3 - Xine, Haylen, Lowell
Haylen - 2 - AGar, Nocmen
Equinox - 1 - eldarad
Lowell - 1 - Substrike22
Nocmen - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting: Equinox, Glork, DemonHybrid

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: January January 3

V/LA: ...

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Haylen

Equinox, the scumteam is Haylen/Nocumen/elderad. Does that save a little reading for you?

[Haylen]

Lynch me if you like. I'd love to know what Nacho is basing his theory on me being scum from though.

When you lynch me, PLEASE investigate and lynch AGar tomorrow.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Haylen

I'd at least like to lynch someone so that my death won't be in freaking vain, whether it be AGar OR Haylen or anyone but eldarad, really.

[Haylen]

Can i at least have it explained why I'm being lynched and why DH has suddenly flipped in their perspective?

[Haylen]

PS. I don't want a shitty ad hom 'explanation' from AGar, either. I want one from DH and nacho.

[DemonHybrid]

Because, to me, it honestly doesn't matter. Scum knows that I will be the next nightkill. I believe you and AGar is scum vs. town, but I can't read who. I'm not going to sit around and waste a day's lynch and have my death be in vain. I honestly think eldarad is setting VV up, and Nacho wants you dead before Nocu, so I'll oblige.

You would probably be investigated if AGar died, and AGar will probably be investigated if you die. Really, it doesn't matter.

[Nocmen]

Haylen, your arguments seem flawed, and besides that, I really haven't seen you contribute much. You seem so set on lynching AGar, yet you were willing to follow nacho, after your doubt on them so much?

[Substrike22]

How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?

[Glork]

How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?

I'd like him to answer my question to him (which was asked in direct response to 1111) before I respond to you.

[AGar]

How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?

Because someone would scream OMGUS if I said it. Yay buzzwords.