Why? VV is a flake.elderad wrote:I can get behind a haylen lynch, but I think Vas is a much better lynch prospect Today.
Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over
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UNVOTE: Elderad
VOTE: Lowell
Glork: My top 3 scum are:
1. Lowell, post 1032 was not well thought through or was a misguided attempt at stalling. Post 1044 seems like buddying or busing, take your pick based on which way you read Vas/Elderad.
2. Vas (his post 978, plus as Demon pointed out, Vas' voting pattern deserves a looking at.)
3. Haylen's scummy as hell at the end of day 3 but it also reads as raging townie. Especially her relentless pursuit of Agar. Agar reads as being a dick (at times), but not really scummy, which leads me to question whether or not Haylen is just angry or if she's scum and trying to use Agar's being a dick (at times) to her advantage.
Elderad's lynch yesterday on RC looks bad, especially after the cop explicitly asked him not to, regardless of Nacho's result. I also missed Nacho saying that he wasn't being lynched cause of a result. Throw all this in with the counter-doc claims. Nacho's plan to allow one of them to die during the night is sound, though.
Agar, post 1092 is not a direct contradiction. She's saying that it a) isn't scummy and therefore irrelevant, and b) irrelevant as it doesn't exist. Ends are the same and therefore justify the means in this case. It seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Do I need to recant your not being scummy? For all your occasional dick-ish-ness you seem like a smart guy so this post strikes me as odd.
@ DH, re post 1048; how does your logic in that not also implicate Lowell? To me that shows Lowell squirming, wondering if Nacho's got a scum read on him. Lowell looks guiltier to me than Agar in that, although I wouldn't call your read on Agar baseless.-
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You can't acknowledge it and then say it doesn't exist. That doesn't work.Substrike22 wrote: Agar, post 1092 is not a direct contradiction. She's saying that it a) isn't scummy and therefore irrelevant, and b) irrelevant as it doesn't exist. Ends are the same and therefore justify the means in this case. It seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Do I need to recant your not being scummy? For all your occasional dick-ish-ness you seem like a smart guy so this post strikes me as odd.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Is he? His general posting frequency has been low throughout - he tends to make posts in clusters about once a week.nacho wrote:Why? VV is a flake.
And I can see he has been posting in another game today, so I guess he will show his face here soon.
In terms of why we ought to lynch Vas - I haven't bothered to write up a full case, but here are the bullet points:
- Vas's positioning on wagons per DH's #1020
- apart from his weak though insistent push on AGar, all of his votes have been sheeping other people.
- no original ideas or firm positions. Take #613. He declares Nocmen town, but on the two ongoing issues at the time, he comments but doesn't express an opinion on either.
- the AGar push was lots of noise but no substance. My gut reaction is this was Vasscum trying to be seen to be taking a contraversial position but it's mostly smoke and mirrors.
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As a heads up, I am going home for Christmas on the 22nd, from that point I am likely to have very limited/no access for about a week.-
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It may be a meta thing. I've known Lowell to turn on a whim, and I've lynched him cause of it, and he was a townie. AGar is almost never known to do something like that, so I find it somewhat suspect. I'm not voting for him over it, I just think the reaction was overblown and his ISO needs to be looked at.@ DH, re post 1048; how does your logic in that not also implicate Lowell? To me that shows Lowell squirming, wondering if Nacho's got a scum read on him. Lowell looks guiltier to me than Agar in that, although I wouldn't call your read on Agar baseless.
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Votecount 5.06
AGar - 2 - Xine, Haylen
Equinox - 2 - eldarad, Lowell
Haylen - 1 - AGar
Lowell - 1 - Substrike22
Nocmen - 1 - Nachomamma8
Substrike22 - 1 - Nocmen
Not Voting: Equinox, Glork, DemonHybrid
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: January January 3
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Disagree. If eldarad is as good as "caught scum," his crusade is largely unreadable. Showing that you can be played like a fiddle is a bad thing, DH.DemonHybrid wrote:eldarad's crusade against him is confirming him as town.-
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I'm still here, holidays are sucking way too much time oiut of me to post too much. I really need to look into AGar scum as a possibility, I can see what people are pointing at but I need to see for myself to confirm and suspicions to myself.
UnvoteFor now, Substrike has posted at least some of his suspicions, though my pressure vote to ensure that really didn't do too much for pressure.
Vote: HaylenI'm not sure how you get away with it, it's really weird, plus I'm not too certain with the ate post. Seems a bit too off topic, I feel that regardless of AGar, I'm happy with that vote for now.-
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How's this for ridiculous: If you're so certain you're going to go back on me "like white on glue," then why not just keep your vote on me? Unless you actually want to lynch AGar first, I don't see the point.Lowell wrote:unvote, vote agaruntil equi says something ridiculous, then I'm back on him like white on glue.
Okay. I, uh, have a confession. I thought I had this down when I was still spectating, but the second I saw my name in the vote count, my confidence went straight down the gutter. Sigh. I'll read the last ~15 or so pages again, see how that goes, and then tackle the other 30.
So, spectating. While I was watching, I had my eye on eldarad, Haylen, and Lowell for their reactions to Nachomamma8's plan. FWIW, AGar and Haylen can't be scum together, but probability points to one of them -- need to read their argument to figure this out. There are about 3 of you who I'd blindly sheep (whether I do or not depends on how much my brain hurts) and a couple more I read as town. Yay.
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Votecount 5.07
AGar - 3 - Xine, Haylen, Lowell
Haylen - 2 - AGar, Nocmen
Equinox - 1 - eldarad
Lowell - 1 - Substrike22
Nocmen - 1 - Nachomamma8
Not Voting: Equinox, Glork, DemonHybrid
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline: January January 3
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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Haylen Life of the Third Party
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Lynch me if you like. I'd love to know what Nacho is basing his theory on me being scum from though.
When you lynch me, PLEASE investigate and lynch AGar tomorrow.Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.
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Vote: Haylen
I'd at least like to lynch someone so that my death won't be in freaking vain, whether it be AGar OR Haylen or anyone but eldarad, really.-
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Can i at least have it explained why I'm being lynched and why DH has suddenly flipped in their perspective?Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.
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Because, to me, it honestly doesn't matter. Scum knows that I will be the next nightkill. I believe you and AGar is scum vs. town, but I can't read who. I'm not going to sit around and waste a day's lynch and have my death be in vain. I honestly think eldarad is setting VV up, and Nacho wants you dead before Nocu, so I'll oblige.
You would probably be investigated if AGar died, and AGar will probably be investigated if you die. Really, it doesn't matter.-
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How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?-
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I'd like him to answer my question to him (which was asked in direct response to 1111) before I respond to you.Substrike22 wrote:How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?-
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Because someone would scream OMGUS if I said it. Yay buzzwords.Substrike22 wrote:How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.
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