Mini 1102 - Rivertown Mafia (Game Over!)
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Too much smoke and bluster and tilting at windmills. none of this "oh x was random but y wasn't so THERE" stuff is of any use, in the absence of anything substantial I'm going to stick with my ortiz vote.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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el simo Mafia Scum
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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This is a good point. For some reason I thought it was more than just me.el simo wrote:
Right., the heat you put on me by saying my random vote wasn't random was just too much to bare. Gotcha.ThAdmiral wrote:
I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.el simo wrote:Do you want to explain that discrepancy or do you want to keep on being subtle and vague?Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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Umbrage Mafia Scum
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1. When I vote, there are only two questions: do I find this person scummy, and does this scummyness warrant a vote? If yes, then I vote. Are you really saying that you decide that you want to vote before you decide who to vote for? That really doesn't make sense, outside of RVS. But that still doesn't make sense: you don't decide the aim of a vote after you decide to vote. We, as human beings, don't act without a reason. We don't perform an action randomly and make up a reason to do it later. That's just silly.
2. The thing that bothers me the most is how you are acting. The first question posed to you concerned why you voted on a bandwagon but said it was random. You could've just admitted you lied about it being random to get a bandwagon. That's more or less what you're saying now: that vote was to get a bandwagon going and lead us out of RVS. Which is fine. But you refused to admit that you lied, or made a mistake, or used ambiguous grammar, or whatever concerning the random part. Basically, you keep saying that this misunderstanding is ALL OUR FAULT and you are NOT TO BLAME AT ALL. Which is a total overreaction. The worst you could have been accused of is trying to end RVS early or using a poor choice of words, neither of which are proper tells. You seem VERY concerned with keeping your reputation in this game as clean as possible, which doesn't make sense unless you have something to hide.
3. So... you voted me when you thought I was on your case, and unvoted when you thought I was off? Can you get any OMGUS than that?I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.-
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chamber Cases are scummy
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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This looks like an admission that the vote was legitimately RVS without any reasoning and now people are attacking el simo for it.ThAdmiral wrote:
I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.el simo wrote:Do you want to explain that discrepancy or do you want to keep on being subtle and vague?GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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And what conclusions do you draw from that observation?Olinea wrote:
This looks like an admission that the vote was legitimately RVS without any reasoning and now people are attacking el simo for it.ThAdmiral wrote:
I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.el simo wrote:Do you want to explain that discrepancy or do you want to keep on being subtle and vague?Taking a break from the site.-
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Gah I knew there was someone I was forgetting to prod.ortiz1193 wrote:unvote
@el simo: I actually do understand what you're getting at now. It's pretty clear I misunderstood when I tried defending my point earlier - I wasn't trying to misrep you, which is what you voted me for.
Umbrage is scummy for pushing that, but he could still be misunderstanding like I was. Also holding my vote until everyone posts more.
MOD: Prod Furcolow- he hasn't posted at all yet.
Votecount in next post.ShowTown 8/4
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Umbrage Mafia Scum
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It's the "trying to explain your way out of it" part that makes me think he's scum. Either he's totally bullshitting us, or he randomly decides to vote before he knows who to vote for or why.Olinea wrote:
This looks like an admission that the vote was legitimately RVS without any reasoning and now people are attacking el simo for it.ThAdmiral wrote:
I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.el simo wrote:Do you want to explain that discrepancy or do you want to keep on being subtle and vague?
@chamber: What the fuck do you mean I'm being noncommittal? I'm the most vocal person on this wagon. Just because I don't go "DIE SCUM DIE" every few seconds makes me noncommittal?
@ortiz: Why the sudden turnaround?I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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It makes me think that Admiral is pushing a wagon that he knows is inflated.chamber wrote:
And what conclusions do you draw from that observation?Olinea wrote:
This looks like an admission that the vote was legitimately RVS without any reasoning and now people are attacking el simo for it.ThAdmiral wrote:I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.
I can't think of any scenario where I would lynch someone over a single vote.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Votecount
ortiz1193 (2) Cyberbob, TheLonging
el simo (3) Umbrage, ThAdmiral, sorasgoof
ThAdmiral (0)
Furcolow (0)
Umbrage (1) chamber
chamber (0)
sorasgoof (0)
Nicodemus (0)
Olinea (1) ThirdKoopa,
Cyberbob (1) Olinea
Thirdkoopa (0)
TheLonging (0)
Not Voting (4) Furcolow, Nicodemus, ortiz1193, el simo
It is now day one. With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 6 to no lynch. Deadline is Wednesday, January 5 at 10:41 AM Central Time.
Nicodemus has 24 hours to receive his prod before I replace him.
Furcolow has been prodded.
Thirdkoopa is due for a prod in about 20 minutes.ShowTown 8/4
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Furcolow To Be Frank
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Umbrage wrote:
Either play this game or replace out, you useless waste of space.Furcolow wrote:hi...And that's strike one for Umbrage for violating rule 4 under Behavior. No personal attacks, please.ShowTown 8/4
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Furcolow To Be Frank
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vote: ortizwithout even reading the game
1) i know el simo and can hold him accountable after i read
2) i dislike the first two players on his wagon for being scummy (umbrage, theadmiral)
3) i guess i missed the rvs? so this is me making up for it!
if you all want to lynch me, that's fine, i'm probably over-stretching myself in terms of game-commitment atm-
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Oh goodie, we found el simo's scumbuddy.Furcolow wrote:vote: ortizwithout even reading the game
1) i know el simo and can hold him accountable after i read
2) i dislike the first two players on his wagon for being scummy (umbrage, theadmiral)
3) i guess i missed the rvs? so this is me making up for it!
if you all want to lynch me, that's fine, i'm probably over-stretching myself in terms of game-commitment atm
But observe his impeccable logic. He dislikes me because I'm 'scummy'. Oh well, you'd better lynch me then!I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.-
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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If he had admitted straight up it was a joke vote or a vote specifically to push the bandwagon I wouldn't have stayed on his case. He didn't.Olinea wrote:
This looks like an admission that the vote was legitimately RVS without any reasoning and now people are attacking el simo for it.ThAdmiral wrote:
I believe you tried to make a "random" or jokey vote and you copped heat for it and are now trying to explain your way out of it.el simo wrote:Do you want to explain that discrepancy or do you want to keep on being subtle and vague?
This is a serious misrepresentation of the situation. It is the response to being pressured about that vote more than anything else.Olinea wrote:I can't think of any scenario where I would lynch someone over a single vote.Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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el simo Mafia Scum
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1. Umbrage there are those two questions but that doesn't take out the three decisions you make while you vote. No matter how you do it you still have to decide if you are going to vote, who you are going to vote and how serious it is, I'll give you that order doesn't matter, but you still make those three decisions. There is no skipping it. It doesn't make sense that vote someone you want to lynch with out having decided who it is, you don't target someone you find very suspicious with out deciding whether he warrants a vote or not. These decisions have to be there otherwise it doesn't make sense. At best you can skip the seriousness of it but that isn't recommended for good town play.Umbrage wrote:1. When I vote, there are only two questions: do I find this person scummy, and does this scummyness warrant a vote? If yes, then I vote. Are you really saying that you decide that you want to vote before you decide who to vote for? That really doesn't make sense, outside of RVS. But that still doesn't make sense: you don't decide the aim of a vote after you decide to vote. We, as human beings, don't act without a reason. We don't perform an action randomly and make up a reason to do it later. That's just silly.
2. The thing that bothers me the most is how you are acting. The first question posed to you concerned why you voted on a bandwagon but said it was random. You could've just admitted you lied about it being random to get a bandwagon. That's more or less what you're saying now: that vote was to get a bandwagon going and lead us out of RVS. Which is fine. But you refused to admit that you lied, or made a mistake, or used ambiguous grammar, or whatever concerning the random part. Basically, you keep saying that this misunderstanding is ALL OUR FAULT and you are NOT TO BLAME AT ALL. Which is a total overreaction. The worst you could have been accused of is trying to end RVS early or using a poor choice of words, neither of which are proper tells. You seem VERY concerned with keeping your reputation in this game as clean as possible, which doesn't make sense unless you have something to hide.
3. So... you voted me when you thought I was on your case, and unvoted when you thought I was off? Can you get any OMGUS than that?
2. I'm over reacting? I'm being wagoned (or was) because you claimed my vote wasn't random, despite it being so. You understand from my point of view, you're the one over reacting? You want to lynch me because you think my random vote wasn't random? Good luck with that.
3. No I voted you when I thought you were purposely taking my quotes out of context to show me in a scummy manner, I unvoted you when I realized you were claiming not to understand what I was saying. <- Not OMGUS.
As for Furcolow, I was waiting for this. I IC'd him in a newbie game and defended him to my death. Read it here. I actually suggest the read, otherwise very shortly you will all be pushing Furcolows wagon and I'll end up dying because of it.
But I did. I just maintained that I wasn't lying when I was accused of doing so. You would do the same if you were falsely accused.ThAdmiral wrote:If he had admitted straight up it was a joke vote or a vote specifically to push the bandwagon I wouldn't have stayed on his case. He didn't."How very Rambo-esque of you." - Bazz
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