Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).Saint wrote:Red, Directing the doctor is more town or null imo , and is lynch diddin or wc that bad? Ppl are accusing, and I understand pressure as town is good.
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@SC The majority of Powers post have been that helghast inst scummy. So it looks like some sort of chainsaw to me. Either Helghast is Powers buddy or Helghast is not in his scum group and he's trying to gain town cred. Least that's how I see it.
What happens if Diddin doesn't shoot tomorrow? Should we start considering his lynch?
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I still don't exactly trust CKD but Darla hasn't made me feel any better about Narsis' slot and I'm not a big fan of either Powerrox93 or Helghast. So one of those 3 need rope me thinks.
vote: Powerrox93Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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SC, not SG. Get it straight.Lateralus22 wrote:I'd like SG to take some sort of stance on WC/Helghast, can't remember if you have recently.
WrathChild vs. Helghast, as I've said, is a bit hard for me to get into. I'll take a closer look tomorrow, though.
I thought you were talking about power roles, silly meNero Cain wrote:@SC The majority of Powers post have been that helghast inst scummy. So it looks like some sort of chainsaw to me. Either Helghast is Powers buddy or Helghast is not in his scum group and he's trying to gain town cred. Least that's how I see it.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I was busy like hell today as I think I posted a while back.
I'm vigging Helghast TOMORROW unless there are serious reasons why I shouldn't. It provides more connections than if I were to shoot WC (powerrox adamantly defending him, Saint HEAVILY attacking WC last minute)
Saint 25 wrote:I would rather see a vig hit on Narsis or EC than WraithChild
Direct Contradiction. I say hang him.Saint 33 wrote:Vig wc
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Why aren't you vigging helghast now?
Do you not really have a daykill?
What the heck."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Quit stalling, diddin.
q21, sorry. I admit I skimmed; I'm a bad townie. I'm also a hypocrite in the sense that I build walls but get upset when I have to read other people's walls. To compensate, I don't usually expect people to read mine (except for what I've addressed to them).-
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Um what? I’ve never made any argument about the Mafia NK being equivalent to Town voting. Where are you getting this from?quadz wrote:Those are far from equivalent. Mafia has some small influence on what happens in the day. They have (pretty much) 100% control over their NK. Comparing the two is basically apples and oranges.
Right there. You're saying pops can't be for picking who diddin shoots (because if he doesn't, then we lynch him) while being against picking who we pass his ability to (because scum will shoot said person). You are equating the mafia's power in picking the vig shot to their power in picking the NK, which is completely ridiculous.MoI 436 wrote:pops wrote:Identifying who he is going to pass his daykill ability is HORRIBLE because scum can shoot that person and remove the vig ability from the game permanently.
Right, and my point was that I feel like neutral reads aren't generally accepted past a certain point. Maybe that's just my experience, though. *shrug*RC 587 wrote: If you don't have at least an idea about a player that has made a decent number of posts, then, yeah, that's not too good. I agree with implosion here. Now if you want to qualify your opinion, that's a whole 'nother thing, and it's quite acceptable (I do it all the time).
So does lynching Diddin if he doesn’t bow to public pressure which is sure to have some Mafia influence. Yet you are all for that.
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Wee. Diddin, I'd like you to vig someone between Jan 5-7, considering the flexible deadline for the day is the 13. (Actually the vig should be tomorrow at latest because that's about exactly one week.)
When the time comes, I'd like you to give a FULL read on your vig choice and who his flip will affect concerning what alignment he possibly is. I'd also like you now to announce the exact vig date, along with anyone who has objections with this set time to complain now.
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This is the only thing you have to say after your long absence? That’s it?Helghast wrote:So ddin is going to shoot me?
Congratulations … if you are Town you’ve made my ‘Players to Avoid at All Costs’ list when joining games.
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Aside from the quote jumble there your interpretation is absolutely incorrect. In what you quoted I am in not way attempting to even discuss the Mafia NK.quadz wrote:Right there. You're saying pops can't be for picking who diddin shoots (because if he doesn't, then we lynch him) while being against picking who we pass his ability to (because scum will shoot said person). You are equating the mafia's power in picking the vig shot to their power in picking the NK, which is completely ridiculous.
I’m suggesting that lynching diddin if he refuses to follow Pop’s plan (which I clearly disagree with, as stated multiple times) results in removing the ability. I also say that the Mafia will have some influence in the ‘Town’ direction of diddin’s shot. I’m stating outright that if Pops’ plan of ‘Direct or Die’ isn’t followed by diddin and he is lynched that it GUARENTEES the ability is removed from the game. The Mafia would not have to act at all to remove a Cycling Ability.
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This is all you have to say about everything that is happening. If Helghast is indeed dies and flips Town this (and the previous posts) reads so much as ‘Scum distancing from a mislynch / misvig’ it almost hurts.Power wrote:I've red and red his post many times now and I still cannot find one single scummy post made by him. Can someone please explain why Helghast is so scummy that he should be lynched?
Add Powerrox to my official list of suspected scum.
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1. So having a suspicion based on EC’s early game play, when he was active, immediately dissolves into being labelled lurker hunting? I just want to be clear.RedCoyote wrote:1. In Mafia, like most things in life, you always have to ask, "what have you done for me/us lately?" EC was indeed fairly active as the game opened up, but he has since began to lurk. So, yeah, I dispute that Longing is more of a lurker than EC at this point.
2. I'm not necessarily saying Longing is an active player. I just don't think EC and especially not Narsis would qualify as active either.
3. This doesn't apply. You came at pops for his attacking lurkers, among other things. You are attacking lurkers. Period.
4. Fair enough, but, again, one of the reasons you're voting pops is because of his focus on Longing. Unless you concede that point, it doesn't matter that you're not voting Narsis in my eyes.
2. You are missing the point. At the point where Pops went after Longing he was clearly lurking and Pops attacked him for just that. Did I attack EC for lurking? Nope. I attacked him for his terri-bad Parama attack. Did I attack Narsis for lurking? No, again for making a horrible bandwagon vote with no reasoning.
3. Wrong. I’d attacked Pops, Chkflip, EC and Narsis (and now Powerrox). Not a single portion of my attack had anything to do with their inactivity.
4. We disagree. Noted.
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Voting for vigging someone is no different to voting to lynch someone. You are registering your push against someone you find suspicious. It can indirectly leads to death of the person.Pops wrote:What is the difference in him voting someone for vigging and vigging that player himself?
If the reply is that he can vote someone for vigging he doesn't expect to die, look, that dynamic also affects everyone else in the town, to a diminished extent perhaps, but multiplied by many more players.
Actually Vigging the player is taking the action into your own hands. It directly leads to their death.
Why are you harping on this obvious difference?
Your read them on the second lynch gives no more information than reading them on a regular lynch, IMO. Players aren’t prohibited from expressing multiple suspicions as to who they think is Mafia. It certainly happens in games without outed Dayvigs to direct.Pops wrote:If you really want to read people based on them killing, you should select the player you most want to read, at least. I personally want to read all of them with a second lynch.
And, once again, I’ve never said I ONLY want to read diddin on his kill target. It would be, as I’ve explained, another layer of information about him specifically.
I’m frankly done arguing with you on this point. It’s just MD material as far as I can tell.
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Directing the Doc is not a Town move at all. Are you asking here why it would be bad to lynch diddin if he proves he has a Daykill power?Saint wrote:Red, Directing the doctor is more town or null imo , and is lynch diddin or wc that bad? Ppl are accusing, and I understand pressure as town is good.
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This seems a little bit alarmist if only from the standpoint that I’d expect any Doc power to be Cycling.Strange wrote:Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).
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Are you stating that between those two posts there was no way Saint could have changed his mind on his read on WC?diddin wrote:Direct Contradiction. I say hang him.
Because between when I voted for Pops and when I unvoted new information appeared the made my reasons for suspecting Pops as scum greatly reduced. Should I be hung for a Direct Contradiction?
– as Lat has requested please provide your full reasoning behind your shot when you take it.Also"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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diddin you can't even vig helghast tomorrow you have to cycle your ability.
The town chose helghast. Shoot him now, or you're going down on a Lynch all Liars basis."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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If I could get an explanation why HG is so scummy for once then I'd never had to do this in the first place.MagnaofIllusion wrote:This is all you have to say about everything that is happening. If Helghast is indeed dies and flips Town this (and the previous posts) reads so much as ‘Scum distancing from a mislynch / misvig’ it almost hurts.-
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Powerrox, read the thread, man. It's all over the place. Not hard to find.
Ah, ok. That makes more sense. Thank you for the explanation.MoI wrote:I’m suggesting that lynching diddin if he refuses to follow Pop’s plan (which I clearly disagree with, as stated multiple times) results in removing the ability. I also say that the Mafia will have some influence in the ‘Town’ direction of diddin’s shot. I’m stating outright that if Pops’ plan of ‘Direct or Die’ isn’t followed by diddin and he is lynched that it GUARENTEES the ability is removed from the game. The Mafia would not have to act at all to remove a Cycling Ability.Current Avatar: Kronk. Duh.-
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Oh, that's right. I'm more used to roles staying put. Saint should still think before he posts, though.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
This seems a little bit alarmist if only from the standpoint that I’d expect any Doc power to be Cycling.Strange wrote:Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).
I promised that I'd look at Helghast and WrathChild, and looking in ISO, Helghast does not appear to be scumhunting. He's defending, but not attacking anybody for anything from what I can determine. That he hasn't voted yet helps cement this thinking. WrathChild's ISO, on the other hand, looks pretty darn town.
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How is Powerox better than Helghast?StrangerCoug wrote: I promised that I'd look at Helghast and WrathChild, and looking in ISO, Helghast does not appear to be scumhunting. VOTE: HelghastOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Diddin announced that he has a dayvig on Dec 23. It's now Jan 6, which is 2 full weeks later and he still hasn't shot. This is starting to get really scummy. Diddin's wanting to get town cred by having everyone vote on his shot, while being able to disown the consequences of the shot is scummy. Drawing out the process for over 2 weeks, leaving us with less time to deal with the aftermath is scummy. We're now at less than a week to deadline.
That was a week ago. FREAKING SHOOT ALREADY. The longer he waits on pulling the trigger, the scummier he gets.diddin wrote:Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
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I am incredibly sorry to replace in and then be busy guys, this weekend should signal the end of my failings though, so please bear with me. As per promised looking back I find Nero to be a bit aggressive and a little suspicious but I am not getting a major scum vibe off him (I forget who asked my read)
and so far I find the most suspicion in Helghast and find it a bit annoying that diddin is stalling so much major FoS there. If he fails to shoot I am voting him as mentioned above for Lynch All Liars policy.
For now,vote Helghasthe seems the most likely candidate for scum from play, and if diddin isn't lying and manages to get in his vig, we'll at least have that information to base our lynch on. Also, I agree with the attempting to direct the doc = scummy, and is a big no no for town.Showyou done goofed.
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I don't see pro-town motivation in him waiting this long, do you? Infact, even if he DOES have kill its incredibly anti-town to leave us with like a week to discuss after the supposed kill that's coming. Its pretty common for an anti-town to do pro-town things to get town cred so that's why I said we should be fairly cautious. [And I know I used the word "fishy" in my post]MagnaofIllusion wrote:Nero Cain’s theoriesat583looks to be big-time Tin-foil hat territory. Why would any player, Scum or Town, claim to have an ability they can use and then promise to kill a Town selected target if they had already made their shot for the Day?
+ I asked him right out if he killed Muh and he ignored it.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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