Read to me as "This isn't my case, but I will provide one later"boberz wrote:(It isnt I will show it to year at a time when it is not new years eve (no longer))
not as "I'm joking, pappums isn't scum but AntB is."
Read to me as "This isn't my case, but I will provide one later"boberz wrote:(It isnt I will show it to year at a time when it is not new years eve (no longer))
Up till here his attention was focused pretty much only on Moose. Here he just agrees with the case on Beefster given from Lat.Substrike22 wrote:Also, I find myself agreeing with your sentiment on Beefster, given his posts thus far.
I kept this here to preserve the order of his posts. Note the "I see lack of content." part.Substrike22 wrote: LordChronos who are your top two scum reads other than beefster, and why? And what specifically do you find scummy about beefster? I see lack of content.
Here is the first time he throws out the option of voting for Beefster. Note that he always hints about voting for him, but never commits to it. Just suggesting the idea and letting mob psychology do its work. Letting us come to our "own" conclusions.Substrike22 wrote:I'll vote Beefster, I'd just rather vote you right now, Dekes. Funny how that post comes after that vote. Active lurking? Guess we'll find out.
Anyways, onto the hot topic of the day: Beefster. Scummy? Yes. Scummiest? No.
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LordChronos is a close second for me behind Moos. I'd be down for either of them today.
Switching back to Chronos? You were never voting for him in the first place. Again, suggesting to move his vote if we reach the deadline.Substrike22 wrote: It's staying there this time. I'll consider switching back to Chronos if we're reaching deadline but otherwise this is the guy I want.
Jab number two at Lord Chronos. Again, the only case is active lurking. Also mob psychology here again.Substrike22 wrote:Lord Chronos has resumed active lurking. just so it's noted.
The really defensive post about Moose claiming he was going to kill Bob. Seems pretty scared even when you don't fully buy the claim.Substrike22 wrote:Why does anyone want to leave moose alive after that? We really.want to let him vig boberz, assuming we.buy the power role claim?
Note the "not comfortable letting Moose shoot Bob"Substrike22 wrote: I am not comfortable letting Moose shoot Boberz, the mod has made it clear that we're not getting a replacement or a mod kill, so my vote's staying where it is, and I implore others to join.
Also, for the record: Werewolf/Hiraki isn't striking me as scum. Her post on p. 11 detailing the case on Beefster was a pretty straight forward and valid attempt at scum hunting. I don't understand why there are 4 people on her wagon with no one looking at Mari, AntB, or Dekes, all of whom are scummier. In addition, the case (he/she? Werewolf?) makes on Beefster actually makes me ok with a Beefster vote, if we're headed that way towards deadline.
Yes..."forced" by the deadline. Makes you look so innocent and not guilty of joining the wagon. Just what scum want. Seen it done before.Lateralus22 wrote:In the end he voted Beef because he was forced by the deadline.
I don't see why scum sub would get defensive over moose shooting boberz if he's his partner. Scum distance themselves more often than not from each other, not scream at someone holding a gun to save their life. The moose interactions actually make me pause and reconsider my read because doing that as scum would be essentially a death wish since moose is a loose cannon. What is your argument for boberz scum?
I'm sorry...Mariyta wrote:Max is really irritating and likely scum
Hello. OMGUS = Voting for you for no reason. I'v layed out multiple of your posts and explained why they're scummy. I'm not freaking out at all and you've tried to discredit my post but you haven't actually commented on any of it so I don't even know if you read it. There is no town motivation for that at all, if I'm so wrong about you need to explain why.Rat wrote:lol lateralus22, that is one hollow 'case' you have there, it smells more like omgus to me for having called you out for lurking. how come you have made no mention of my criticism of moose until this point, eh? i think lat22 is freaking out because i have basically called out all three members of the scumteam (boberz, mariyta, and lateralus22). my vote is staying on boberz since i am most confident that he is scum at this point, with lat in 2nd and mariyta 3rd. i'd really like to hear opinions from moose and substrike about what has been going on recently.
there is plenty of town reason to go after moose if he is a serial killer, which i had suspected he was. as in, probably ending up with an extra dead townie in the morning. or he could have been a scumvig, which i think there is much less of a chance but is still a possibility. and i have already stated why i was coming down so hard on moose earlier. #570 makes perfect sense, two scum players have every reason to distance themselves day 1. then when both of the top suspects flip town they can apologize and let each other know how wrong they were about each other, essentially becoming probable town to each other (in the eyes of the town). therefore, if a player had a town read on one and a scumread on the other, the one that is the townread cancels out the one that is the scumread, making them both town (in the eyes of the decieved player). #571, as you saw, was a post of reconcilliation for moose, as i admitted that i was probably wrong. i now believe moose's claim, and i think he is a townie, although he does need to do some scumhunting and put down a vote (unless he cant). your criticism of #574 is partially valid, i (like many others) am guilty of faulty observations, however the point i was trying to make was that ww555 and beefster were both easy mislynches for the scum, and boberz could have easily rode them for the mislynch. your criticism of #583 was antb's post, so it had no place being in my category.lateralus22 wrote:
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Rat has been absolutely useless in the time he spent here. I hate how much he tunnels on moose because he's a bad player, calling for his mod kill is ridiculous. There isn't any pro-town motivation for this when he's a known pr.
#355: Still going after moose. Moose's play during the night was incredibly pro-town so I believe his claim. This is just a policy lynch. Refer back to the mod kill point.
#544: This is weak. This isn't rl where people are constantly screaming nonstop, this isn't even a dram game where people are posting literally every second. This reads as an excuse ESPECIALLY IIRC when he came in he was the one who re-introduced the moose drama. Why couldn't he simply bring up someone else if he had a problem with the amount of focus on player?
#570: This doesn't make sense at all. What's the scum motivation for distancing day 1 then instantly becoming "chummy chummy"? Feels like you're adding buzz words to make this observation into a scum tell.
#571: Oh hey. This is kinda better actually.
#574: Huh. Seems like you're also guilty of faulty observations. I don't see how boberz was simply riding wagons at all. He was the one who brought up the Hiraki case early on when no one was jumping onto him. I can't see the town thought process behind this, there's no actual explanation that switches towards "only trying to lynch people" and feels like a hollow statement. I don't see how Beefster was just a bad player, I can't recall this but have you actually said this on Day 1 or is this some great revelation you're having now?
#583 (AntB): Fluff post actually. There's a lot of text to support his observation which is normally good but it's useless in this context because boberz already admitted to his claim before. I don't understand if you're saying bobber + Mari scum because when scum buddy it's towards townies, not their actual partners. My main problem with this post is that it looks like he's doing a lot, but really isn't.
Actually I'm more fond of Ant_Max/Rat scum with AntB/Sub as room for error.
pappums rat wrote:that is one hollow 'case' you have there, it smells more like omgus
I fixed it for you.i have basically called out all three members of the scumteam (boberz, mariyta, and lateralus22)and it's purely coincidence that they all happen to think I'm scum, too.
Better check you can actually do this, so when?antto the max wrote:Seen it (deadline bandwagonning) done before
You really think all three scum would pile on a wagon at the very beginning? Have you played mafia before? With me or boberz? I'm stupid, but notpappums rat wrote:also folks i am now at l-2. just so no one can get away with an 'accidental' quicklynch if these 3 are not the scum.
I shall be the hero.Mariyta wrote:Who's going to place him at L-1 so he'll claim? Or will he be nice and claim early?
he could have easily summed up his reasons in no time at all, and when you are that close to a lynch you should.boberz wrote:I have made my reasons for choosing werewolf abundantly clear, ofcourse to achieve a lynch I would switch.
once again refusing to answer easy questions.boberz wrote:Haha,I am not your pawn I do not have to respond to every thing you say to me. And tbh I have currently got the strongest point currently in play.
And wheneve people try and work together someone always cries that it is scummy, it merely proves that that person is crap.
when lateralus22 was asked for his opinions of current events (my bolding):Mariyta wrote:It's been posted, repeatedly. It doesn't really matter if you agree with it or not (clearly, you wouldn't).
i have made my reasons for suspecting these three abundantly clear while they have only mentioned my early criticism of moose and lat22 mentioned a few other random and inconsequential 'reasons' for voting me.Lateralus22 wrote:I refuse to make a big nice catch up post today, simply because, I don't feel like it.I'm only active/serious in about 2 games, the rest I'm actually neglecting.
scum = Ant_Max/Sub/AntB,
moose claim is overrated, he's got a killing role and what he did was pro-town so doubt he's scum.
AntB, how do you feel about town reads?