This was in response to 1047WrathChild wrote:Day 1 consisted mostly of me being V/LA and trying to address whatever was thrown at me. If you actually read you would know that. When I was no longer V/LA, I'm sure an experienced player like yourself could see I was able to do more than defend myself. Yeah I hammered Powerox, but there were lots of other people on that lynch. In hindsight, it may have cut discussion a bit short, but I thought we had kind of stalled out. I won't be hammering anymore unless I have concrete evidence against someone. I need to get adjusted to the stronger meta here. I have no evidence either way as to which kill was which, you may even go back and notice that I originally thought it was the other way due to the flavor, but upon considering the victims I began to speculate the other way around. I made no blind leaps of faith, I just used logic and may very well be completely wrong.
1) I think Bunny has been significantly scummier than myself. So the "connections" issue you bring up is the one that bothers me.
2) No wrong. I was never searching for an SK. Just because I said that a scummy player seems more likely to be an SK, doesn't make them less scummy. It doesn't mean that I set out Day 2 to find an SK. It means that I thought it could be a possibility once I saw scummy play.
3) Done.
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I don't get this.....WrathChild wrote:I am speculating that mafia killed MoI and Bunny killed Chk.
I know your pissed that I called out your scumbuddy, CKD, but alot can happen in 22 minutes. But your right, even if he were scum its not like he'd actually admit to reading a QT.quadz08 wrote:
Fluffflufffluffflufffluff. Who the hell cares how long it took? What does this post contribute to other than your post count?Nero Cain wrote:
It took you 22 minutes to decide this?nhammen wrote:EBWOP: in conclusion, I'd rather see a dead Wrath than a dead Bunny, for the time being
VOTE: WrathChild
unvote;vote: Quadz
TMH pls kill this guy.
Also I had no ability yesterday.
Are you saying that if TMH hits scum he's not scummy but if he hits town then he is scummy?curiouskarmadog wrote:if tmh does get a vig today and he doesnt hit scum for whatever reason, the move to take the vig role is fucking super scummyOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think killing scum is considered a towntell. In general."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Trying to figure out why you are even bringing this up if we 1) tell a person to hold the virus until they explode or 2) pass it between two scummy players. The only reason I can think of is that you are sending this out as a warning to a potential scummate. FOS.popsofctown wrote:Im not sure what you're saying about the virus, but to the best of my understanding, i think the person who has most recently read a "you got the potato" pm will explode if the timer goes off during a pass.
Bunnylover, are you refusing to hold the bomb if the group thinks you are the best choice to blow up? Would it matter if we say you will be the dayvig if you do not?ShowTown 21-21-1
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I Am Innocent wrote:As of Post 1054.
Players Alive with a Role D1:
themanhimself - D1, Busdriver Ability, passed it along to Diddin.
quadz08 - D1, Hibernate Ability, passed it along.
DarlaBlueEyes[- D1, Firewall Ability, passed it along.Narsis]
diddin - D1 Dayvig, power taken by themanhimself
popsofctown - D1 Had a Power, passed it along.
Bunnylover[SnakePlissken][- D1 Had a Power, passed it along.danGR]
Implosion - D1 Treestump, passed it to curiouskarmadog
nhammen[- D1 Had a Power, passed it along.EtherealCookie]
Saint - D1 Had a Power, passed it along.
Players Alive with no Role D1:
LynchMePls
Lateralus22[TheLonging]
WrathChild
curiouskarmadog
Nero Cain
I Am Innocent
StrangerCoug[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]
Parama
Players Alive, still unknown about any Roles:
RedCoyote
q21
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muh316 - D1 Watcher (died with him)
AntB - D1 Nothing
Helghast - D1 Nothing
Powerrox93 - D1 Double Voter (died with him)
MagnaOfIllusion - D1 Nothing
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@ mod, was it possible for any player to start the game D1 with more than one cycling power? Or did you limit it to at most, 1 cycling power per player?
@RC, q21, please in your next post say whether you had an ability D1 or not, and if so did you pass it along.
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I'm having trouble deciding either way. While there may be useful town roles in there, there may also be useful scum roles in there.I Am Innocent wrote:@ everybody. Should we discuss what might have been sent to the void/aka, roles that were sent to MOI/chkflp? Will a lack of this discussion hurt us later? Thoughts?
I asked this already and nobody commented.Bunnylover wrote:@The discussion: MoI had no abilities, so no ability went to the void. Chk ability that went to the void was the ability Remover. Their is nothing to discuss on that subject. If any abilities were sent to them, I think the mod would have informed us like he did with Chk ability.
Here were the posts that I found that people answered my question.nhammen wrote:I was actually wondering this last night. If scum sent an ability to the void, there are some implications here. Although, I think that the mod will probably return abilities sent to the void by scum quicker than other abilities, but I'm not sure whether that type of setup speculation is useful.
A good point is brought up that roles sent to the void may not be permanently lost. So I think SC is right that maybe we should not say what roles were sent to the void quite yet. But I still think it is in the group's best interest to find out if a player sent it to MOI or Chkflp last night. Otherwise we leave a loophole that the scum could use later in the game.
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@ Anyone who passed a role last night, please say if you sent it to
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I am saying the move is suspicious...scum would want to vig ability for themselves to take out townies...if today he kills someone and it ends up being scum, not as suspicious...but if he hits a townie, it doubles the suspicion in my eyes...Nero Cain wrote:
Are you saying that if TMH hits scum he's not scummy but if he hits town then he is scummy?curiouskarmadog wrote:if tmh does get a vig today and he doesnt hit scum for whatever reason, the move to take the vig role is fucking super scummyNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Are you saying he is scummy either way?curiouskarmadog wrote:
I am saying the move is suspicious...scum would want to vig ability for themselves to take out townies...if today he kills someone and it ends up being scum, not as suspicious...but if he hits a townie, it doubles the suspicion in my eyes...Nero Cain wrote:
Are you saying that if TMH hits scum he's not scummy but if he hits town then he is scummy?curiouskarmadog wrote:if tmh does get a vig today and he doesnt hit scum for whatever reason, the move to take the vig role is fucking super scummyNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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are you even reading the game?...just +1....if they are not unfounded, they are out and out lies until someone calls him out of it and he gives you the old "oops i was wrong BS"...quadz08 wrote:
..... Oooooookay then. Nero Cain's Unfounded Accusations Tally: +1.Nero Cain wrote:I know your pissed that I called out your scumbuddy, CKD, but alot can happen in 22 minutes. But your right, even if he were scum its not like he'd actually admit to reading a QT.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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good gosh, your confirmation bias is ridiculous.I Am Innocent wrote:
Trying to figure out why you are even bringing this up if we 1) tell a person to hold the virus until they explode or 2) pass it between two scummy players. The only reason I can think of is that you are sending this out as a warning to a potential scummate. FOS.popsofctown wrote:Im not sure what you're saying about the virus, but to the best of my understanding, i think the person who has most recently read a "you got the potato" pm will explode if the timer goes off during a pass.
Bunnylover, are you refusing to hold the bomb if the group thinks you are the best choice to blow up? Would it matter if we say you will be the dayvig if you do not?
The reason I want to know is because if two scummy people are passing it, and I find one of them scummier, imma spam the thread with posts when that guy's holding it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Agreed, and the word "purge" seems less likely to be mafia flavor anyway.quadz wrote:WC wrote:Are we assuming the Shotgun to MoI was Vig and Purge to Chk was Mafia?
I don't think MoI would have been vigged (at least, not by a townie). I think MoI's death is likely the result of the mafia nightkill.
@the Bunnylover slip; IMO Bunny is town. I think the mistake is just thinking that the "void" of the VT PM is an ability and getting confused over that. I can see town doing this, even if I am the one who found the slip first.
@DBE/LMP 987-988; agreed with LMP 100%.
@IAI 991; Treestumping tmh tomorrow is a good idea. It could both get rid of the treestump and (bonus) assuming tmh is scum (which I am about 99% sure of)it can confirm curiouskarmadog's alignment; if he fails to treestump tmh, he's mafia. If the treestump dies with tmh, he's town.What do people think about this plan?
@IAI 995; talking about the void, I'm really not sure about. It really depends on whether or not there is an ability that affects the void, how it would work, etc... and the majority or entirety of the town doesn't know any of that.
@pops 1014; this is interesting. A Bunny flip could actually provide alotof information even if Bunny is town. Still better to kill scum for now, though.
@Bunny 1031; lol, Saint is gonna rage. Not a terrible choice to send it to.
@Nero Cain 1051; this reads OMGUS to me. You're attacking quadz for attacking you, plain and simple, as far as I can tell... his question was completely legitimate.
@ckd (929), I really didn't think that far ahead and wanted to get rid of the stump. Also, just to confirm that you received the treestump, you should vote for someone.
My vote remains for now on DBE.
Other miscellaneous question: should tmh claim who he passed the busdriving ability to and/or whoever has the ability claim that they have it? Not only is it an incredibly antitown ability, but this could lead to yet another confirmed townie. In fact, can anyone think ofanypro-town reason for the busdriving ability to exist, or should it be passed to tmh tonight as well?-
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I'm good with this. I should have mentioned that I'm still suspicious of themanhimself, and for some reason I don't like the in-and-out feeling I'm getting from curiouskarmadog.implosion wrote:@IAI 991; Treestumping tmh tomorrow is a good idea. It could both get rid of the treestump and (bonus) assuming tmh is scum (which I am about 99% sure of)it can confirm curiouskarmadog's alignment; if he fails to treestump tmh, he's mafia. If the treestump dies with tmh, he's town.What do people think about this plan?
I disagree. I think giving the virus to Saint is a bit suboptimal as it's basically using it to get rid of a less than helpful, hard to read player.implosion wrote:@Bunny 1031; lol, Saint is gonna rage. Not a terrible choice to send it to.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It was impossible for any player to start the game with more than one ability.Cyclic Experimentation Set x02.
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This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)
Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_< Plus I'm p. sure Wrathchild is Town getting framed.
The other good targets IMO (note that Furcolow's views are not my own and I haven't pressed my views on Furcolow) are:
*nhammen (rep. EtherealCookie)
*popsofctown
*Bunnylover
roughly in order of preference. I've wanted those first two to die, like, all game and no time is too soon.
Where did RedCoyote go? I really want to list him third or fourth but I can't remember anything he's done recently.
Lateralus and ckd are also people of interest - the former for going after TMH (whose wagon I didn't get), and the latter for possibly slipping and being whinier than helpful (nice attempt to appeal to my meta though).
I've only kept a loose eye on the thread because I'm supposed to be helping Furc first and foremost, but those are the reads I've picked up along the way.
Much as I'd love the chance to pass the potato to nhammen or pops really the Virus ability is only good for swatting down nonparticipants who can't (or don't want to) pass it away, so it's going to Parama. Furc can argue with me over this later when he gets back.
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The hell? Didn't we make a big fuss early today about itSaint wrote:This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)
Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_<NOTbeing good to pass it to Parama for wanting to die?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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LynchMePls wrote:@DARLA
Don't dodge this again.LynchMePls wrote: @Darla: List 3 players who are scum and why.@DARLA: LIST 3 PLAYERS WHO ARE SCUM AND WHY.
Maybe 3rd time will be a charm?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
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Don't worry, I think there's a better consensus for that.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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StrangerCoug wrote:
The hell? Didn't we make a big fuss early today about itSaint wrote:This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)
Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_<NOTbeing good to pass it to Parama for wanting to die?Must have missed it.
Really though - because the player has to actually SEE that they have the Virus (as in pick up the PM) and THEN decide to do nothing for 75 posts, the only people who wouldn't pass it off are people who are suicidal (Parama) or people who don't understand what "death" means (muh). It's in nobody's best interest to keep it except people who are actively willing to drag the game down and want out.
The other option is to keep passing it around forever, which is annoying for everyone and tells us nothing because it CAN be passed between scumpartners.
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QFTSaint wrote:The other good targets IMO (note that Furcolow's views are not my own and I haven't pressed my views on Furcolow) are:
*nhammen (rep. EtherealCookie)
*popsofctown
*Bunnylover
roughly in order of preference. I've wanted those first two to die, like, all game and no time is too soon.
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Agreed.StrangerCoug wrote:Don't worry, I think there's a better consensus for that.ShowTown 21-21-1
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@Pops: Thats an interesting situation. What I think will happen is a situation like this:
The virus explodes in 150 post.
Person A passes the virus to person B in 50 post.
The virus will denonate in 100 post.
40 post occur before Person B finds out he has the virus.
The virus will still denonate in 100 post, not counting those 40 post.
Does that make sense?
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If town wants me dead, I'm going to die one in two ways:I Am Innocent wrote:
Trying to figure out why you are even bringing this up if we 1) tell a person to hold the virus until they explode or 2) pass it between two scummy players. The only reason I can think of is that you are sending this out as a warning to a potential scummate. FOS.popsofctown wrote:Im not sure what you're saying about the virus, but to the best of my understanding, i think the person who has most recently read a "you got the potato" pm will explode if the timer goes off during a pass.
Bunnylover, are you refusing to hold the bomb if the group thinks you are the best choice to blow up? Would it matter if we say you will be the dayvig if you do not?
1) Die by the virus.
2) Waste town lynch on me, and having the virus hit someone else.
I would probably die by the virus so I don't waste town lynch.
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