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Jack, either you softclaimed a role that has info about the bomb or your plan is non-sensical, it's most likely that the mod is randomizing bomb times and even if not I imagine he's setting it up so that there's no pattern involved. He said in the rules that he was aiming to minimize his own influence on the deadline so ideally you'll have basically no information about when it goes off unless you have a role with that information built in and soft-claimed as Hoopla pointed out.If P then Q.
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I would be totally alright with that if it wasn't exactly what he wants. I feel like he's scum trying to get control of the bomb so he can use it in his scummy ways. He's already said he won't pass it until right before the deadline (again, this makes no sense) and then give it to whomever he wants, so giving him the bomb is basically making a scummy player into a day-vig.If P then Q.
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I definitely agree with the second one there, it will give us a lot of information and make the exploding process more democratic as three players would have to pass someone the bomb to doom them.
Mod: Since the pre-game has been so active could we go ahead and consider the game started? I want to start voting Jack asap
Starting it now.Last edited by RedCoyote on Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.If P then Q.
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I don't buy into this. Jack wants control of the bomb and if he has info about it, I think that's likely to come with a scum alignment. And like SC said, first he adamantly said that he didn't soft claim, then he claimed? He's backtracking because he found a better excuse.
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I don't like benmage's last post at all. Vig should not claim and it's clearly not a vig. Stabbed is always an SK. That seems to me like bussing the idea of an SK while simultaneously fake breadcrumbing for a vig role claim later. I also don't like fates play in this game but fate is just a troll so it's a null-tell.If P then Q.
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There, now if the bomb doesn't go off, we basically have a confirmed townie, YOU'RE WELCOMEAntB wrote:I'm the Bomb Squad Hero. I would have imagine that would mean I could defuse a bomb once or twice, instead my armour makes me immune to a single explosion.
Was Immune even...If P then Q.
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Are you kidding me NS?
This and the fact that he never says post countRedCoyote wrote:I'll set up specifictimesbefore the game starts which will be explosiontimes. Any player who has a bomb in their possession when the explosiontimehits will be killed. Thetimeswill be preset within the context of a game playing until the maximum allottedtime(it's important to me that the players don't think this is just the Mod influencing the game, I plan to literally draw up all the explosiontimesbefore the game even begins).andthe fact that bombs can go off at night pretty definitively rule out post count detonation as a plausible theory.
VOTE: Nobody Special for FoS'ing me and misrepping me over something he clearly didn't read or think through and for trying to lead the town astray with obviously false theories.If P then Q.
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That actually occurred to me after saying a vig-claim was stupid and I felt like kind of an idiotBenmage wrote:
Fair enough. I still disagree. But moreover I don't think it was done by a vig. I was hoping a foolish zealous SK might quick claim.StrangerCoug wrote:
I don't believe that now is the time to out the vig. Yes, if either of them were killed by a vig, then the person that did it is an idiot, but do we really want to risk making someone an easy mislynch or nightkill target?Benmage wrote:What don't you believe buddy?
Regardless I don't think you'll be seeing anyone claiming vig this game.If P then Q.
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NS has something he wants the town to believe and he said that that was the only conclusion one could draw from the facts without looking at the facts. Why wouldn't he look at the facts if he was going to propagate this theory? He doesn't care whether or not the facts support it, he has something he wants the town to believe and so he's going to push it regardless of the facts. It's lazy scum. If he was town then he wouldn't have said that only one conclusion could be drawn from a set of facts that he didn't even examine. I'm not saying townies don't get lazy and skim, I'm saying that when they do, they don't start calling people scummy over things they didn't read.hitogoroshi wrote:Oh, no question that's a bad vote from SC. The reasons contradict each other - if he didn't think it through, he's not "trying" to lead the town astray with false theories.If P then Q.
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The quick-hammer is a fair point but I think it was a surprise to most of us that that vote was a hammer, I had no intention of hammering anybody.
As for my current vote, how do we know when the next bomb is coming back? Or even when this one is going off? I don't want us to quicklynch anyone but the more votes we get the more information we have to go off of, the more ties we can make and later in the endgame after some flips, the easier it will be to find scum. NS is at a third of what it takes to lynch, the same as me and katsuki making him tied for first place but still four votes away. Also worthy of note, Fate is also voting for someone and yet you seem to be buddying up to him pretty well. I don't see either of you as scummy but if you're gonna call me out for voting someone (which is fair enough) then at least do it to fate too.
Occam's razor says it's more likely you just suck at mafia.Fate wrote:ITS PLAYERS LIKE YOU THAT MAKE ME THINK IM BETTER AT THIS GAME THAN I AM, AND THEN I LOSE WHEN IM AGAINST A REAL FUCKIN CHALLENGE.If P then Q.
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Ah, I see what you're saying. My bad for not explaining #349 when I posted it. That wasn't to get benmage on a wagon, it was because benmage is my number two suspect and calling someone out without voting them is textbook bussing. I wasn't encouraging him to vote NS, I was literally trying to find out why he wasn't.hitogoroshi wrote:
I'm not calling you out just for voting. I'm calling you out for bandwagoning in 349. Voting as a concrete gesture of dislike is fair enough; voting to try to secure a lynch is absolutely not what we want at this juncture.themanhimself wrote:I don't see either of you as scummy but if you're gonna call me out for voting someone (which is fair enough) then at least do it to fate too.If P then Q.
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I think mass claiming is gonna be a good move in this game, because the flavor in my role makes me think scum are gonna have a hard time guessing what flavor to use. Because of this I think we should make the scummiest players claim first, so if they are scum they can't get an idea of what they should be claiming from the obv-town players.
I see advantages and disadvantages to the endless day. The advantage is we can still move the game ahead without NK's that would presumably hit townies. The disadvantage is that the bomb mechanic is pretty much a mystery to us right now, wew don't know when the next ones coming or how long it will take to go off. I also don't want to see the game stall while we wait for a bomb, that's no fun.
I've explained my read on NS pretty thoroughly. Benmage is up there because of his comments about the vig and when he tried to pay it off like that was intentional I got majorly scummy vibes. SC is up there because he did jump on my NS vote a little too quickly, I hadn't fully explained my case yet so I can't say I entirely understand why he did that. Fate was just annoying me, I think (s)he's probably town.If P then Q.
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I had hito as a scum read for the same reason as fate, he was defending fate and I was annoyed by fate. I don't see either of them as particularly scummy.
I'm very interested to see what happens with the Antb situation. Seeing as how the mod has acknowledged that Antb can't pass it I'm theorizing a few possible roles, no sense revealing them yet but it might help prove or disprove fake claims later. Speaking of which, are we going for the mass claim?If P then Q.
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Why say you don't advocate claiming and then claim in the same sentence?Benmage wrote:You know what... yeah...I'm a VT, and I'm not advocating the mass claim until the next boom. I think if its less than a week we can expect a second bomb...otherwise we shouldn't assume so. I think waiting for the next boom gives us a much better gauge of our next move. I think Ant has sufficient information to go off based on peoples play rather than claim to know what to do with the bomb after it blows.If P then Q.
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I'm saying that he's playing both sides of the field. He's paranoid about backlash from the town concerning his own actions so he's hedging his bets and not actually picking a side. If it turns out that massclaiming was the right thing to do, he can protect himself by showing that he was the first to claim. If it turns out to be the wrong thing then he can protect himself by saying he didn't support it. It's equivalent to active-lurking, he's talking but he's not saying anything because if he says something it could incriminate him.hitogoroshi wrote:
Presumably to prove he's not advocating delay just so scum can make a more informed fakeclaim.TMH wrote:Why say you don't advocate claiming and then claim in the same sentence?If P then Q.
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Exactly, if scum don't have fake claims then that increases our odds of being able to sort out the town claims from the scum claims. Yet you oppose claiming....... yet you claimed. And the claim you made had no flavor which you yourself are in the midst of proving is the most important part of the claim. What is going on here? You're playing like a madman.Benmage wrote:Nvm, found it...interesting it doesn't appear the scum had fakeclaims. Odd.
MODhave you ever run a game where scum had fakeclaim/safeclaims?
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It's not even bussing, that would have been better play. The simple fact is that Jack legitimately wanted the bomb and he had some reason for that. Since he was scum, it must have been anti-town reason. Therefore passing the bomb to him is either a nullread or scumtell depending on the player. With you, I'm going with scumtell.StrangerCoug wrote:
Did you forget that there's such a thing as bussing?Benmage wrote:Did you forget that I blew scum up?If P then Q.
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Benmage wrote:Would any1 not have passed it to Jack in my shoes?? Exactly. Thats my point.Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Pass the bomb to Benmage
So...... clearly not true at all.themanhimself wrote:I would be totally alright with that if it wasn't exactly what he wants. I feel like he's scum trying to get control of the bomb so he can use it in his scummy ways. He's already said he won't pass it until right before the deadline (again, this makes no sense) and then give it to whomever he wants, so giving him the bomb is basically making a scummy player into a day-vig.
And then totally backtracked in the middle of a sentence about how you didn't want claims.Benmage wrote:
So that supports my claim even more. That i was the soleStrangerCoug wrote: If I'm doing a good job of rereading, only themanhimself and hitorogoshi were playing with the idea of massclaiming before I caved in support of it. Two ≠ many.strongvoice of opposition.
There's been no coherence to any of your posts.Benmage wrote:
And since reading my points on why...which seemed relatively obvious at the time...and make logical sense..but are now spelled out, what do you think?StrangerCoug wrote: I voted you because you claimed VT without any sort of pressure, yet were supposedly against massclaiming. The bit about asking the mod if he's run a theme game before came later.
Don't try and change the subject and push the guilt onto someone else.Benmage wrote:InfactSC, lets hear your top 2 scum suspects and potential SK.If P then Q.
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But mine has nothing to do with the transton tower, a few people claimed roles related to that and it seems like somehow Langston & Soarer should have been involved in one of them.AntB wrote: @themanhimself: Your role doesn't either, unless your fakeclaiming or haven't revealed all possible information... and what's your question to fate? | lean scumIf P then Q.
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pass bomb to benmage
Being called a VI by a VI is fairly insulting but I'll let it go.
I'm not pushing fate claiming because I think it's already understood that I want a fate claim and that fate won't do it, so I'm not wasting my breath on it and risking another ad hom war.If P then Q.
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