Mini 1105: A Mafia Invasion! (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

Go for it Elli! It will take me a while to put this together.

One hint: it's not the biggest train. If someone hammers now, there will be RAEG.

[Ellibereth]

I have the funny feeling your opinion is going to change on read through.
That 'really-really-surprising'.
I know it's totally making me biased...

[GreyICE]

Okay, lets play a little game. We're going to follow a single name around the vote count. I'm going to bold it. Around it I shall color the names of the people whose alignments I know. I haven't read the bolded name's posts. I haven't read jenks' posts. I will put a line of equals (=) signs after I have done this, go and read posts, and then post the final wall.

I suppose I will have to use blue for confirmed town (goddamn it mods, stop choosing green and red, they are classic town/scum colors)

Now outside RVS:

Rosswilliam - 4 (Tasky, Vigilante Ventrioquist,

Jerbs

,

Pappums rat

)
Robcapone- 3 (Ellibereth, Guderian,

VP Baltar

)

Someone has to join before and after, right?

Mute - 4 (

AGar

, Llamagod, Rosswilliam, Robcapone)
Rosswilliam - 3 (Vigilante Ventrioquist,

Jerbs

,

Pappums rat

)
Robcapone- 3 (Ellibereth,

VP Baltar

, Tasky)

Mute - 4 (

AGar

, Llamagod, Rosswilliam,

Pappums rat

)
Robcapone- 4 (Ellibereth,

VP Baltar

, Tasky, Vigilante Ventrioquist)

Mute - 4 (

AGar

, Llamagod, Rosswilliam,

Pappums rat

)
Robcapone- 3 (Ellibereth, Tasky, Vigilante Ventrioquist)
Elibereth [

Hey Elli, mod can't spell your name lolz. must mean you're not an important role in this game, right?

] - 2 (Robcapone,

Jerbs

)

Dizzle train don't understand here, must be in game. Jenks hops on. RAT JUMPS OFF HIS TRAIN. Dun wanna be on a town train for long?

Rosswilliam - 4 (Robcapone, AGar,

Jerbs

,

Pappums rat

)
Jerbs - 3 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod)

Jerbs train forms. From here on out, it gets worse and worse.

AGar

- 4 (

VP Baltar

, Zdenek,

Jerbs

, Robcapone)
Jerbs - 3 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod)

AGar train forms. Day vig kills Agar for some reason. FFS day vig, unless you're multishot (multishot day vig, sure, that's a reasonable role for the town to get) what a great use of your shot.

Jerbs - 5 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod, Guderian,

Pappums rat

)
Pappums rat - 2 (Vigilante Ventrioquist,

Jerbs

)

Jerbs lynch seems CERTAIN. Rat jumps on board. Jerbs, despite voting with Rat all over the place and never voting for him before, SUDDENLY votes Rat.

NICE SCUM DISTANCE

Jerbs - 7 (Tasky, Rain, Llamagod, Guderian, Pappums rat, VP Baltar, Vigilante Ventrioquist)
Pappums rat - 1 (

Jerbs

)

THE LAST GODDAMN VOTE ON THE TRAIN.

Zdenek - 3 (

Pappums rat

, Rain, Robcapone)
Robcapone - 1 (Tasky)

Drizzle train starts. Strong feelings, rat?

3rd votecount:

Zdenek - 3 (Robcapone, Empking, Llamagod)
Robcapone - 2 (Tasky, Vigilante Ventrioquist)
...

Not voting: 2 (Rosswilliam,

Pappums rat

)

Not really, ship is sinking, lets get off it.

4th count:

Zdenek - 4 (Robcapone, Empking, Llamagod, Tasky)

SHIP IS MOVING AGAIN.

5th count:

Zdenek - 4 (Robcapone, Empking, Tasky,

Pappums rat

)
Robcapone - 1 (Locke Lamora)

And back on!

What. The. Fuck.

That isn't a voting record, that's an invitation to a lynch mob.

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Ooh, Jerbs was prolific scum. It's a decent strategy, since we tend to lynch lurkers, but it makes us happy when they write lots so we can see what they say about buddies!
(each mention of rat will get a tally mark next to the post)
(Note: Each FOS will be when he attacks someone. He might say FOS. He might not. He's calling them scum)

ISO #1: Vote Ross, FOS: Rob
ISO #2: Attack Ross
ISO #3: Attack Elli
ISO #4,5: 1 liners
ISO #6: FOS Mute, Dizzle
ISO #7 (I - First Rat mention, in a quote): FOS Mute replacement, Vote Dizzle, FOS Ross
ISO #10: FOS Ross, vote Ross, poke Tasky
ISO #12 (II): Vote Agar (second largest wagon) FOS Rat. Second Rat mention.

Aside:

FOS SCUM VOTE TOWN

No, for reals.

ISO #13: SHIT GOING DOWN DISTANCE DISTANCE DISTANCE VOTE RAT
ISO #15: INSANE CLAIM SHIT SHIT GOING DOWN ATTACK PARTNER



=============================(RAT)=======================================

Just searching for mentions of one of the larger contributers to day 1 here.

ISO #11: First Jerbs quote/mention.

HE VOTES FOR HIM

Wait, what? What the fuck? Why? WHY?
ISO #12: Attack Elli for defending Jerbs. NICE CHAINSAW DEFENSE

Day 2:

ISO #14: Case on me? ATTACK ZDENEK! CHAINSAW DEFENSE
ISO #17: Wait, what? Attacking people for buddying and putting them on

L-2

while FOSing half this fucking town?

SHUT UP SCUM

ISO #18: COMPROMISE LYNCHES? Yes, that's good. Lets lynch any townie, we need to kill most of em to win anyway.
ISO #19: Shit, can't be the last person left on the train, can I? Unvote. I'll play it safe so it doesn't look like I'm attacking town.
ISO #21: BACK TO FIRST EASY LYNCH COME ON GUYS

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FUCKING LYNCH FUCKING OBV SCUM NOW

VOTE: Vote: Pappums rat

FUCKING DIEDIEDIEDIEDIE

PEDIT: Elli? IT DIDN'T.

[Ellibereth]

Oh wow...I suck at guessing.

[GreyICE]

Oh fuck, used green. MOD: I suck, and accept my warning/kill. Only thing I'll say, goddamn, PLEASE don't pick that color, I totally forgot. Also I think I used like a darker shade of green, like... I'm not helping.

[GreyICE]

Oh wow...I suck at guessing.

And now I'm curious, who was your guess? Because Rat stands out like a thousand miles when you just view the vote counts in isolation. The hopping, the proximity to Jerbs, the last second vote on him from scum.

The posts match. No mention of eachother despite hopping on and off wagons together, no quotes, nothing until all of a sudden shit gets real for Jerbs, and suddenly Rat wants him dead (but still has time to chainsaw you) and Jerbs has time to attack rat after never mentioning a single post of his except for an offhand quote. Then... day 2. Just... day 2.

Who else even looks half that bad on voting records?

[GreyICE]

Holy shit, Dizzle train makes sense, just read his ISO. What was that?

Zdenek is town though. What the hell, people, don't lynch town, lynch scum. With my scum read on Rat, and really guys, reread his case on Llama in ISO #7, even if you don't agree with it, that is a solid case, there's no way he's acting scummy. Who called that case weak and unbelievable? Rat. And you're lynching him over Rat? That doesn't even make any sense. Are we like in CrazyTown?

This wagon sucks, and everyone on it sucks for pushing it. Except for scum, cannot believe you are this close to lynching a townie with how you are playing. Dizzle was town lurking idiot, he got replaced by an infrequent poster who POSTS GOOD CONTENT SOMETIMES. That's worth a lot.

[Zachrulez]

Oh fuck, used green. MOD: I suck, and accept my warning/kill. Only thing I'll say, goddamn, PLEASE don't pick that color, I totally forgot. Also I think I used like a darker shade of green, like... I'm not helping.

Lighter actually. #008000 is off limits. (The shade I use)

[Tasky]

stuff

UNVOTE: VOTE: pappums rat

[pappums rat]

thats a pretty interesting case on me greyice, except that it is completely wrong.

Just searching for mentions of one of the larger contributers to day 1 here.

ISO #11: First Jerbs quote/mention. HE VOTES FOR HIM Wait, what? What the fuck? Why? WHY?
ISO #12: Attack Elli for defending Jerbs. NICE CHAINSAW DEFENSE


Day 2:

ISO #14: Case on me? ATTACK ZDENEK! CHAINSAW DEFENSE
ISO #17: Wait, what? Attacking people for buddying and putting them on L-2 while FOSing half this fucking town? SHUT UP SCUM
ISO #18: COMPROMISE LYNCHES? Yes, that's good. Lets lynch any townie, we need to kill most of em to win anyway.
ISO #19: Shit, can't be the last person left on the train, can I? Unvote. I'll play it safe so it doesn't look like I'm attacking town.
ISO #21: BACK TO FIRST EASY LYNCH COME ON GUYS

11-that wasnt my first mention of jerbs, i had mentioned a possible compromise vote earlier.
12-bullfuckingshit, i was suspicious of elli for what appeared to me to be an attempt at derailing the wagon (scum trying to prevent his buddy from being lynched) but in fact he wasnt even voting jerbs at the time.
14-yawn, there was no case on me, all robs points were weak and easily refuted. zdenek's 'case' on llama was obvshit and vote-worthy.
17-wtf do you mean 'fosing half this fucking town'? i didnt fos anyone.
18-lynch > no lynch eod.
19-rob defended himself well, so i unvoted, p self explanatory.
21-zdenek = probscum

also the analysis of my votes is bs, left votes out and didnt take into account the way the people i voted for were playing.

[GreyICE]

@Mod: Thank god, and v. sorry. Is #00FF00 fine? I like using green for confirmed town, in case you can't tell.

Llama

is not entirely obv town, but he's pretty goddamn close. SHITTY CASE ZDENEK. Dunno if that's a scummy or not (given how many bad cases I've read from Town), but god it makes me want to take back calling him town.

Fucking lets get 5 more votes together and just hammer Rat though. Between the two it's not even close, and fucking how is Zdenek on L-1 while rat coasts?

HEY SOME SCUM QUICKHAMMER ZDENEK TO SAVE BUDDY IT'LL BE REALLY FUNNY WHEN YOU ALL DIE.

EMPKing

is doing nothing except lurking and poking obvtown, this makes me feel good about him. If he had an actual read on some actual scum I'd be worried. Also,

Gudarian

was so obv town it hurts, so he can coast for a bit on that.

Elli

is probably town, although Elli is, as I said, quite impossible to read sometimes. His scumhunting wouldn't be this crap if he was scum though, I think. I'll have to reread, scum-Elli can be a hard read. I'm getting better at it though (probably because I've read about 3 times as many Elli ISOs from old games as I have for anyone else, just trying to get a read on him - it's NOT EASY)

Locke

is replacing into a fairly good slot. I liked VV, good content. Think he was off on some reads, but oh well. No suspicions.

Mute

was scummy.

Rain

isn't. Did we just get a replacement that knows what a successful bus is? I dunno, but I doubt it. AGar was such an easy lynch there, Day Vig could NOT have been anticipated. Didn't even CONSIDER the moronic assassin argument of ScumJerbs Finding Elli scummy is pro-town.

RobCapone

is town. His ISO is like a wall of town towniness. He's like "yo man, I'm town." Also, reasonless voting is awesome and you're wrong about a lot of things, but if he's scum I'm going to eat my hat with ketchup and a side of pickle.

RossWilliams:

He's me. I reach back in time and apologize to Mute for ISO #9, that's the worst OMGUS I've seen in a while.

Tasky:

I do not like him, Sam I am. No, oh no, I do not. That being said, if his goal is to be lurking scum, he's way too flamboyant. I think he's on level. Townies like him make me wish I was serial killer though. Oh, I would just scumhunt while killing off every useless waste of a slot, it would be GLORIOUS. All the townies you just KNOW will never get Night killed so they'll be alive if you hit LyLo...

*Snik* *Snik* *Snik*

I'd probably die by day 3, but it would be TOTALLY WORTH IT. <- this is so getting used as meta to kill me when I actually do draw serial killer.

VP Baltar

:ARGH. First thing in the ENTIRE GAME that makes me suspect Elli is this death. What a weird, weird choice of townies to kill, which would make sense for him (never play WIFOM guessing with NKs against scum Elli). He bought the "Assassin ends day" argument, he bought the AGer train, he ran with the cop claim, gah! I'm almost tempted to check everyone's meta to see whose played with VP Baltar recently, this has to be due to play in other games.

[Empking]

EMPKing

is doing nothing except lurking and poking obvtown, this makes me feel good about him. If he had an actual read on some actual scum I'd be worried. Also,

Gudarian

was so obv town it hurts, so he can coast for a bit on that.

I'm sorry. My top two reads are Zdenek and PR. Isn't that exactly the same with you?

[GreyICE]

@The town:

Rat is right I left votes out. Why? The count didn't significantly change, or it was an obv. pressure wagon. Anyone can see the votes. Read through an ISO of the moderator, look at my case side by side. What important flops did I leave out? None. I mentioned the Drizzle wagon not making any sense, read the thread, it's pressure on a lurker. Totally obvious. The pattern I saw is there.

He is right, he mentioned a compromise vote on Jerbs or Agar. In ISO #10 when those were the only two major wagons and the day was heading towards over.

Other than that, his defense is horseshit.

But if you don't want to play WIFOM, just look at Jerbs' attitude towards Rat. Look at the vote. Look at how he broke down and collapsed in his last few posts before lynch. LOOK AT THE VOTING PATTERN. Jerbs mentions, in a suspicious light, at least 6 people. Why, when bandwagoned, WHY would he possibly vote for Rat? Look how he treats

Dizzle/Zdenek (same slot)

. Look at what he writes about Dizzle:

ISO #6:

On topic:Dizzles been doing nothing. I think mute is being played with by scum. They seem to be tryingto confuse town

ISO #8:

it seems he does

I realized I forgot to announce L-2. my bad

DIZZLE IS AT L-2

I've had bad experiences using "saw X lurker online" as a tell, but if RW is making that up it's a different business entirely. I'll think more about that. Goodnight.

Tomorrow is RL tomorrow not game tomorrow.

1. He's town and making it up
2. He's scum and making it up
3. He's town and telling the truth
4. He's scum and telling the truth

The first point makes absolutely no sense, so thats prob not it.

The 2nd point makes sense because Dizzle would be an easy mislynch target, unless they are scumbuddies in which then it would be bussing/distancing
The 3rd would make sense because he is trying to help town by giving info about dizzle
The 4th point makes sense because dizzle would be an easy mislynch target unless they're buddies, which would then mean bussing/distancing

Look at the treatment of the Dizzle bus. He COULD attack RossWilliams for lying about seeing Dizzle online

hardcore.

He could push that VERY strongly. Certainly Elli and others in the thread were pushing Ross to explain himself there. Instead? HE FENCE SITS. That's how he handles the issue around his scum buddies? The only thing he does is push the weird-ass

option 4

- they're both scum. Yes, way to ride two wagons at once.

Ask yourself -

Drizzle/Zdenek

could be a scumbuddy.

Pappums Rat

could be a scumbuddy. But which makes more sense given Jerbs' behavior?

[pappums rat]

Other than that, his defense is horseshit.

can you explain why?

[RobCapone]

sweet jesus I go shovel snow and I come back to this lol

I'm glad somebody else besides me finds pappums scummy.

[Zachrulez]

7th vote count of day 2:

Zdenek - 4 (Robcapone, Empking, Pappums rat, Llamagod)
Pappums rat - 2 (GreyICE, Tasky)
Robcapone - 1 (Locke Lamora)
Llamagod - 1 (Zdenek)
Ellibereth - 1 (Rain)
GreyICE - 1 (Ellibereth)

Not voting: ()

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch

Day 2 will end no later than Sunday Jan 30th at 5pm CST

BANG! In about the time it takes to blink an eye, a gunshot is heard, and the town looks around to see what has just happened. Zdenek's head splatters with blood, having just been penetrated and nearly exploded by a bullet. He slumps to the ground dead and the townies scramble to search his body and find that he is also armed.

... Well things just got a little more interesting.

Zdenek

(Mafia Goon)

killed day 2

8th Vote Count of day 2:

Pappums rat - 2 (GreyICE, Tasky)
Robcapone - 1 (Locke Lamora)
Ellibereth - 1 (Rain)
GreyICE - 1 (Ellibereth)

Not Voting: (Robcapone, Empking, Pappums rat, Llamagod)

With

10

9 alive it's

6

5 to lynch

Day 2 will end no later than Sunday Jan 30th at 5pm CST

[Empking]

Vote: Tasky

- Leading to the wagon away from Zdenek.

[GreyICE]

What.

I didn't expect that.

At all.

Let me reread. Jesus.


Also, day vig has multishot?

[GreyICE]

Also

Unvote

What the fuck just happened. Now I need to reread pretty much everything.

[GreyICE]

Two of them bussing Pappums as a secondary behavior? Ugh. That's the theory I'm left with if he's my scumread. But he feels so right. That thing with Jerbs at the end was INSANE except as a last-gasp distancing thing, and his behavior this game has been ABOMINABLE.

[RobCapone]

Why do I feel like you were the one trying to derail zde's wagon

You did replace Ross who was scummy say 1

Tasky is an option to cause he was quick to switch votes

[Empking]

Why do I feel like you were the one trying to derail zde's wagon

You did replace Ross who was scummy say 1

Tasky is an option to cause he was quick to switch votes

Tasky was more opportunistic I thought.

[GreyICE]

I think Tasky honestly thought he hammered. Was that to avoid a day vig? Wine in front of me...

[RobCapone]

yeah definitely something isn't right with him but I am also skeptical of you ice because of your player slot, Ross was under fire day 1 by lots of people.

[GreyICE]

yeah definitely something isn't right with him but I am also skeptical of you ice because of your player slot, Ross was under fire day 1 by lots of people.

Fuck, go read Ross/Dizzle interaction on page 8 then you tell me, fucking jesus that interaction is driving me insane mostly because of you right now with the WIFOM all over the place.