Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[RedCoyote]

curiouskarmadog (1) -

StrangerCoug

Mod

, is this an error or is this vote valid?

To the best of my knowledge that is correct. Format of VoteCount is Votee (Number of Votes) - Voter(s) .

[themanhimself]

I asked the mod if I had more shots today and never got an answer so I'm wondering if I do

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x10 ::

LynchMePls (0) -

RedCoyote (1) -

implosion

themanhimself (1) -

WrathChild

DrippingGoofball (0) -

WrathChild (2) -

LynchMePls, themanhimself

curiouskarmadog (1) -

StrangerCoug

quadz08 (6) -

Saint, Nero Cain, popsofctown, diddin, nhammen, RedCoyote

Nero Cain (1) -

quadz08

q21 (1) -

I Am Innocent

diddin (0) -

popsofctown (0) -

Bunnylover (0) -

I Am Innocent (0) -

StrangerCoug (0) -

Implosion (0) -

nhammen (0) -

Saint (1) -

q21

Not Voting (3) -

curiouskarmadog, DrippingGoofball, Bunnylover

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Tuesday February 1st, 2011 5:00pm EST.

[q21]

So. IAI, I've debunked one entirely associative case on me (which was first mentioned by you) so you're bringing another?

Is this your defense?

How about starting with who do you think TMH's scum partners are, assuming he is scum of course?

I don't need a defence because basing an entire case on associative tells before either player's alignment is known is, well, desperate is what comes to mind - for all that even I agree that TMH is most likely scum.

@ViSaint (1700) - Up until that point I'd been undecided on Saint. Those two posts were a tipping point to me thinking Saint scum, your own misreps made me decide to go ahead and make the case.

That said, I'm beginning to admit that my vote on Saint probably won't go anywhere and that it needs to end up on TMH, WC or quadz as its now getting too close to deadline to stir up something brand new. I've already explained that I'm not voting themanhimself today. I was undecided on WrathChild until his latest stream of posts. Basically he was attacking the wagon that was taking the heat off of him - not something I've ever seen scum do. Scum will support the wagon that's taking pressure off them, not attack it. WC is likely town for my money. This leaves quadz.

Casting my mind back to just recently, I didn't like quadz not knowing who to vote for post, which when I questioned him on he suddenly had a list of scumreads to present. I agree with ViSaint (1700) that his claim that no one was commenting on Saint's TMH is town position is hugely infounded. Looking only a little further back: His bringing up MoI's plan, claiming to think it's a good idea but not following through on it on grounds that he wasn't sure it's what people wanted is weak especially given how many people said they were for it on Day 1 - last ditch attempt by scum to keep the town from getting what could be valuable information, possibly.

Given the context of the game at the moment, I think that's more than enough to go ahead and change my vote without needing to look to much deeper.

Unvote, Vote Quadz

[q21]

And I know there's a vote count just above me there, but just so that there can be no claims of unawareness.

THAT WOULD BE L-2.

[RedCoyote]

ckd, do you or do you not have the Tree Stump ability?

[I Am Innocent]

Consider this

FOS Quadz

as an L-1 vote. Next FOS/Vote should call for a claim.

I am thinking at this point if there is a claim, that quadz should not say what the ability is. The person who passed the role could verify that the claim does exist. At this point we go with further discussion as needed.

[I Am Innocent]

curiouskarmadog (1) -

StrangerCoug

Mod

, is this an error or is this vote valid?

To the best of my knowledge that is correct. Format of VoteCount is Votee (Number of Votes) - Voter(s) .

ckd, do you or do you not have the Tree Stump ability?

Implosion can verify this, but I believe that the role prohibits the player 1) from being lynched and 2) from voting. A vote on the TreeStump player seems valid, and the fact that Implosion verified that he passed it to CKD and CKD admitted he received it makes me think the answer to your question is yes (and that the vote is valid).

[DrippingGoofball]

Consider me as a quadz voter for the purposes of a claim.

[Saint]

watch Q21 bus
RC directed him to do so
I predicted this
let me find the post

Unvote

;

vote: quadz

Can't find it yet, but notice in his #46 in iso how he is coaching quadz, then he lays down an RVS style vote on him ....

bussing, or bandwagonning for the sake of bandwagonning? i'll let you decide
i doubt it's null.

The obvious solution, q, is to rid ourselves of theman right now. Listen, even those that don't support lynching him admit that we'll probably lose the dayvig ability. I have seen nothing but whispers that imply that the Virus or the dayvig abilities are coming back, so I have no real reason to believe they will again.

Also, from the same post, notice his buddying tone with Q21?
They are bussing quadz.

Early scummy vibes from him on that terrible "scumslip" catch, not to mention one on a claimed fairly powerful PR.

Huh? Maybe you have more information on Parama, but I don't. Parama's ability in no way confirms him as any alignment as far as I'm concerned, so I don't see how you can validly use this against quadz.

Notice him defending quadz here from an associative tell, thus making one with him himself?

We have a week till deadline. I support the Quadz, Wrath and to an extent the TMH wagons. Implosion, I AM, Bunny and Q21 need to switch their votes to one of those 3. DGB needs to vote.

Personally I like the Quadz lynch and I'd like to see him flip today.

Perhaps this is the post I remember? It's not worded how I remember, though.

*IAI - Why not vote quadz? Regardless of what you think of tmh's alignment, wouldn't you rather lynch someone who has been scummy on his own than based on tenuous connections?

That was what I was doing with my vote on Bunnylover. But that wagon emptied except for me.

Everyone outside of you and Pops seems to think TMH is scum. There has to be a fair amount of town in that group that believe that way. It got me to thinking, if we are right, and I am fairly confident that we are, who could be his partners? Who does not seem to be on his scumteam? Well I told the group who I thought is or might be on his scumteam. I do not think Diddin, WC, nor your slot is (and know that I am not) based on the conversations TMH put forward. Everyone else is still up in the air.

With that said, I would like to see a q21 wagon get going. If that does not, at least I got this concern on record for when TMH does flip.

PS - Quadz I have been going back and forth on today. Based on the TMH connections (doubting WC is his teammate), I would actually push for quadz over WC at the deadline now. (Hint to Quadz, hop on the q21 bandwagon.)

PPS - "We're going to need" that tomorrow. Not Town is going to need it, we are. Message sent....and now read loud and clear by this poster.

And Diddin can die tomorrow. IOW, lay off Diddin for now, I need his dayvig and then we can attack his "easy target" slot tomorrow.

I'm sure about this one. Two scum. Bank on it.

I FOUND IT
IT WAS ACTUALLY IAI
"Quadz, hop on the Q21 bandwagon"
to me it is scumcoaching

q21

to hop on the

quadz bandwagon

reverse psychology?

Sorry that I thought it was RC
Actually reading somewhat more town on him than I had before, and less on IAI
which makes me like DGB's slot, and I honestly didn't have reservations about it like VI does
DGB has basically said IAI/RC
I like 50/50 lynches

but quadz first, because it is a

very

polarizing flip

[Saint]

Consider this

FOS Quadz

as an L-1 vote. Next FOS/Vote should call for a claim.

I am thinking at this point if there is a claim, that quadz should not say what the ability is. The person who passed the role could verify that the claim does exist. At this point we go with further discussion as needed.

This sounds like scumcoaching to me

[Saint]

FOS IAI

[Bunnylover]

The post that Saint had quoted has convinced me of my vote.

Vote: Quadz

Quadz if you have any powers, claim now.

[quadz08]

Claim:

I'm a townie, and I have no powers tonight.

I do want to emphasize again that when I unvoted without a revote, I was just frustrated with the game (and life in general).
I would appreciate it if someone were to post the case on me altogether in one post, or point me to a post where it's been done in the past, so I can respond directly.

Also, I believe that

I am at L-1

. Please don't hammer before I can respond to the case against me.

[quadz08]

Also,

Mod: Votecount?

[Saint]

unvote

[DrippingGoofball]

Consider this

FOS Quadz

as an L-1 vote. Next FOS/Vote should call for a claim.

I am thinking at this point if there is a claim, that quadz should not say what the ability is. The person who passed the role could verify that the claim does exist. At this point we go with further discussion as needed.

This sounds like scumcoaching to me

AGREED. That's the sort of scumtell I love.

[Saint]

I'm not saying DETER THE WAGON, THERE ARE SCUM AFLOAT, but I really just want a little more discussion.

[Saint]

Consider this

FOS Quadz

as an L-1 vote. Next FOS/Vote should call for a claim.

I am thinking at this point if there is a claim, that quadz should not say what the ability is. The person who passed the role could verify that the claim does exist. At this point we go with further discussion as needed.

This sounds like scumcoaching to me

AGREED. That's the sort of scumtell I love.

check the one where he tells quadz where to vote at the end of my wall
i'm lovin' this.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think we should just hammer at this point. The vanilla claim feels lazy. My only point of hesitation is that my gut says he sounds like a nervous townie. And given no dead scum as of yet, we need to get it right.

[Saint]

Well, if it was up to me, the wagon would be on RC/IAI as that is more 50/50 like you've pointed out
HOWEVER, that isn't going to happen, nor do I want it to happen (yet), and losing a VT is no problemo

Also, I doubt he's even going to flip VT
Your vote isn't on him?

[themanhimself]

Well you can put him at L-1 if you want

[Saint]

do it

[Saint]

shotgun hammer
*holds finger to nose*

[themanhimself]

Well he's at L-2 right now, nobody can hammer until he gets another vote