Mute wrote:Neuky wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:I'd love if Mute and Workdawg worked on developing cases on their #2 suspects though because these walls are going overboard and even if one of you is right about the other, there are scumbuddies.
this ^
One of you guys may be right about the other - but consider the possibility that town is tunnelling town..
I've got some time on Sunday, so I'll post tomorrow, something a bit more substantive.
I have.
For now though all my other cases are weak. I'll go-back and read the thread over again and try to ignore the dawg-me back and forth and see what others have said, but Naben having to be replaced for outright deserting the game...
Iuno.
I'm guessing this didn't happen? After all, I haven't seen anything substantive from you concerning anyone but Workdawg yet.
theplague42 wrote:Neuky wrote:@Stels - you did say earlier that when you give advice its generally for everyone - can you explain how this post is in the interests of town?
Stels wrote:Workdawg wrote:@Stels: I haven't lied yet, and I don't intend to start now. Certainly not to claim to scum for no reason.
With this, you can't claim a PR anymore, if there are any. Just saying.
I had thought this was suspicious, but I don't think that Stels would communicate so blatantly. Of course, that is subject to WIFOM, and I'm not even going to trying to outguess anyone. Although the "just saying" definitely seems like he's trying very hard to make it appear as SE-talk to a newbie.
Why?
TP42 wrote:For right now, I think its just newbie-jumpiness and inexperience dealing with reactions to votes. If it was an experienced player, then I would be really suspicious.
In games like this, people are usually recommended to defend themselves and not others, unless the attack is absolutely terrible or scum-motivated. Do you feel Stels's attack was either? If so, why? If not, why did you respond?
Workdawg wrote:The last comment that has people so curious does seem to be extremely specific though, I suppose; though if you take the quote in context it doesn't seem quite as bad...
What do you mean by this?
Ty wrote:Possible Scum Pairs- Something I find useful (more useful later on in the game but it’s never too early to start thinking about this) is finding pairs of people that seem to “fit well” together as scum. For example of two players seem to be overly friendly or overly hostile towards one another it’s not bad to make a note and watch for future interaction between the two. The biggest example would be Mute-Workdawg. As I believe Stels stated, I think this was a town vs. town argument due to the intensity and over ridiculousness, however I wouldn’t guarantee that.
What good will thinking of scumpairs without a single flip in game accomplish? The only thing I can see it accomplishing is lending credence to tinfoil hat theories, and making already bad tunneling habits worse. But, if you're going to speculate like this, you might as well provide reasons. Why aren't Stels and I scum together? Why can't I be scum with Workdawg? Why can't Workdawg/Mute be scum with asano/veridis?
TP42 wrote:Alright, so. Ty's exit-post looks very towny to me. I would imagine (for the most part) that scum would be more inclined to stay in the game as everyone gets to play as scum less often than town. His continued analysis and information-giving is also towny, as scum would definitely want to go out quietly.
These are the types of assumptions that get you burned.
TP42 wrote:What if Naben's super-late confirming was gaining time to talk with his buddy? Naben disappeared afterward, and my last game (yes, more single game meta-ing) had a scum-slot with a total of three players in it.
This theory shouldn't have made it past the RVS. Even if it's true, it's not a big enough point to push a lynch on.
TP42 wrote:If Stels is town, I would consider that clearing Workdawg. If he is scum, then I would be suspicious of Workdawg.
Why?
TP42 wrote:Mute's calming-down-ness has definitely pushed him back towards null tell for me. Townie with some definite tunneling issues. But apparently he can see reason, so I'm happy with that.
Mute backed down immediately after Workdawg did. Does this make him townie for finally backing down, or scum for unvoting at the same time his main aggressor did?
Neuky wrote:Actually - I may be wrong there, look like its L-2. I'm going to read Stel's defence before making a decision to vote or not. Its past midnight here - so I'll do that tomorrow.
The last post you made stated that your vote would be on Stels if Stels wasn't at L-1. Why didn't you vote when you realized he wasn't at L-1?
*As sort of a general note, buddying is an incredibly weak tell Day 1. It's usually a result of people not wanting to be complete and total assholes when they play mafia, and is usually an alignment-neutral thing. The only time where it is a strong tell this early in the game is if a player is buddying up strong to a person with a reputation onsite.*
Neuky wrote:Mute & Dawg are like an old married couple..
The last few posts actually had me laughing - you just can't stop yourselves!
(Queue:
Mute: It was his fault
Dawg: No it wasn't
Mute: Yes it was etc etc...)
Still not rethinking that Stels vote, I see... Are you scumbuddies with him or something? If so, promising content on him and then ignoring him immediately afterwards is not a good strategy.
Workdawg wrote:I think it's a little bit scummy, but what puts me off the most is that he brushes me off pretty much every time I ask him a question. It annoys me A LOT when I'm ignored, so when he does it and it just makes me want to get on his case more; and I'm finding that very hard to resist. It feels scummy to me that he doesn't answer me, or only half answers. If he's town, then he should be willing to answer all my questions, not just brush him off.
If no one else thinks that's scummy though, then I really just need to try harder to drop it I guess.
Scum have the same incentive as town to answer questions. Why do you think scum would ignore you in this situation?
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