A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay, unless we have masons out there, most townies know one person with their alignment. Scum know multiple people with their alignment. They can nominate a 'pro-town' scum and wagon them up to governor.

EXPLAIN THIS VERY INSTANT WHY IT IS ANTI-TOWN TO NOMINATE YOURSELF. DO IT.

It's schtoopid. Schtoopidity is anti-town.

[Benmage]

The governor ability sucks anyways. 1 person can't die woahhhhhh if they governor did it to someone scummy that everyone wanted dead they'd b hung the next day....it really is nothing more than maybe a conversation starter...something scum can hide behind talking about.

Now drop it and raise me.

[Shadow1psc]

/waits for ChessKid to come in and create 10 pages based on why people should mass nameclaim for governer status.

[GreyICE]

Okay, unless we have masons out there, most townies know one person with their alignment. Scum know multiple people with their alignment. They can nominate a 'pro-town' scum and wagon them up to governor.

EXPLAIN THIS VERY INSTANT WHY IT IS ANTI-TOWN TO NOMINATE YOURSELF. DO IT.

It's schtoopid. Schtoopidity is anti-town.

EXPLANATION INSUFFICIENT.

VOTE REMAINS.

THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.

[LimMePls]

This one is because a second Percy vote is scummy, and a second self-raise scummier still.

Neither of these things is true.

[Benmage]

What hydras we dealing with?

[Shadow1psc]

Someone wanna explain what a hydra brings to the game (mafia in general, not this theme)?

[Benmage]

Someone wanna explain what a hydra brings to the game (mafia in general, not this theme)?

A Hydra is just multiple people playing under one name.

[Shadow1psc]

Well I know what it is, but why?

[Twilight Sparkle]

I'd join the wagon on my bro Percy.....but we should already get down to business. Which VI goes first?

vote chesskid

You know I'm all about the policy lynches, but shadow is cheeky scum.

That said, Raise: Twilight Sparkle because I'm rather confident than my reads and their reads will be similar, which would lead to similar usage of the governor ability unless they're scum, in which case, woo, caught scum.

This man speaks wisdom.

lol @ rvbw *shrug*

It's not random.

What hydras we dealing with?

Just us, I think.

Someone wanna explain what a hydra brings to the game (mafia in general, not this theme)?

Hydras are formed for a few reasons. Ours is primarily because no one of us feels we can keep up with Storm of Swords completely on our own. We can all read along, but we are all long winded posters and sometimes it's hard to find time to make a post. So we all input our thoughts in a hydra QT and the person with the most time can input all three of our opinions in-thread.

-hito

[Magua]

THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.

Don't you *want* scum to raise other scum?

[Song of Ice and Fire]

This too is my first big game on mafiascum, though I have played tons on other sites. I just couldn't resist the theme

VOTE: xvart I like 8, and you stole it from me.

[Shadow1psc]

It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"

[Twilight Sparkle]

It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"

No, you're scummy for Raising without voting and your only justification for self-raising being "a concise way to piss off zoraster."

[Shadow1psc]

I know like two people in this game. Since when is not throwing a random vote that's just gonna be retracted scummy? I can random vote comically, but not self raise comically? I don't expect in the slightest to get the power, nor do I want it.

[Magua]

It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"

Raising yourself tells us nothing about you. Three days from now, it will still tell us nothing about you.

Raising someone else tells us nothing about you *at this point in time*. Three days from now, it may tell us quite a bit about you.

Self-raising isn't scummy per se; it is, however, pointless for the town, which is what makes it attractive to scum.

[Mikujin]

Vote: Shadow1psc

Because when I see that Scott Pilgrim avatar I get all sad on the inside. Mostly because of how terrible it is.

Raise: Mikujin

[DrippingGoofball]

SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.

What's the point of everybody raising themselves??????????

[MagnaofIllusion]

I will vig anyone that raises themselves beyond this post.

Explain why. Because you played Clash of Kings. So yeah, explain.

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I want the governor powers out of play, and

I'm one of the few I trust

to put them there.

Please explain the bolded. Who are the other few you would trust and why do you trust them Page 1?

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I'd join the wagon on my bro Percy.....but we should already get down to business. Which VI goes first?

vote chesskid

Benmage makes a solid point here. I want to expand upon it.

To those who did not play in Clash of Kings please review it. A VI (CSL) killed the Town. He had been under pressure early on (Day 2) and was let of the hook for being a VI. Later he quickhammered the Town Doctor before a claim could be made and was still not held accountable. Obviously scum left him for the end-game scenario where he self-hammered as Town and facilitated the scum joint win.

The moral of the story – if a VI player is playing scummy you lynch / vig them. Giving a VI a pass based on being a VI assures they get deeper in the game where their poor decisions and actions have a greater negative impact be they Town or Scum.

/off Soapbox.

[DrippingGoofball]

Some people are really cranky.

[Shadow1psc]

It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"

Raising yourself tells us nothing about you. Three days from now, it will still tell us nothing about you.

Raising someone else tells us nothing about you *at this point in time*. Three days from now, it may tell us quite a bit about you.

Self-raising isn't scummy per se; it is, however, pointless for the town, which is what makes it attractive to scum.

That's a fair point, but one could say the same value of voting. I saw voting and raising as an empirically equivalent action as far as pure statistics goes. I could have random self voted to, it happens and people don't tend to freak out over it in RVS. If it makes you guys feel better though;

Unraise: Shadow1psc

pedit: I have had a similar experience with Chesskid in a mini theme.

[Magua]

How many VIs do you count in this game, Magna?

[DrippingGoofball]

I will vig anyone that raises themselves beyond this post.

Explain why. Because you played Clash of Kings. So yeah, explain.

I have infinite multiple dayvig powers. I'm swinging Excalibur.

[GreyICE]

THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.

Don't you *want* scum to raise other scum?

Noooooottt really, no. Don't have this amazing desire to find out what scum can do with a governor power. Don't have an amazing desire to find out if there's any powers that scum have brought online with this "Hand of the King" mechanic. Don't have any desire to find out that they have some sort of godfather powers or turn cops naive, or can get some cool thing if they're hand.

I will claim this: I have absolutely no role powers that are turned on by being hand, I get nothing out of it besides what is stated in this thread, and I will use the Governor power for only the reason of preventing the lynch of

confirmed

town (and I don't mean their posts have been kinda townish), and absolutely not at all on day 1, period.

I have no desire for a midgame governor surprise because someone is trigger happy. And I don't want it to go to Twilight Sparkle, because frankly Sotty7 is dangerous enough as scum, nevermind throwing in two other excellent players, and I'm going to treat that hydra like a giant timebomb until it's confirmed town or confirmed dead.

It's a serious candidacy - I'm voting for myself, because I trust myself here.

[GreyICE]

Also Goofball vote is serious. I'm getting the feeling Goofball came swinging out day 1 with a gameplan and the self voting threw a spanner in the works. Look at the first post in the thread.

Goofball is flailing coming up for explanations on why it's anti-town. I want to see her thoughts and her thoughts alone here.

@MoI

- at the moment, 'few' is composed solely of me. If at some point, say, our esteemed moderator dropped into the thread and said "Hey, Chesskid3 is an innocent child, and is confirmed town" I'd STILL not want him with the powers. I don't want "LOL governor obvscum because I like their avatar" in this thread or anything resembling that. Seeing the players on the list, there are quite a few I'd trust with the powers if they were confirmed town - Locke Lamora, for instance. As I get a better feel for people, I MIGHT support another player if he feels very town to me and it feels like an actual consensus wagon, not a scum-pushing-scum wagon. But I'd prefer me.