New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Xalxe]

VOTE: Officer Rex Mannington

Shame on you for not being in this game!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fashion Llama

I propose we all claim our submitted roles as discussed in the Queue. Discuss.

[Xalxe]

Olinea, I am fine with either, but this is information we have at our disposal, so I propose we use it.

Otherwise, we'll just have to begin anew with nothing at all. Which would be a shame.

[Xalxe]

Zora, I like pictures more than video, just FYI

Also, I will not fullclaim submitted roles just yet, but I've already given a hint.

[Xalxe]

Zora, I like pictures more than video, just FYI

Also, I will not fullclaim submitted roles just yet, but I've already given a hint.

Then what's the motivation behind asking others to claim role names if you aren't going to do so yourself?

I'd like a concensus first. You guys went ahead and posted, fine, I wanna be sure nobody says NO DON'T WAIT MY ROLE SAYS IF WE DO THAT I DIE

[Xalxe]

Point taken.

I suppose it's up to the others, but zoraster's point of limiting scum fakeclaims is a huge plus for doing it sooner rather than later in my book, I hadn't thought of it. Even if one person dies without sharing their roles, the validity of all claims is called into question.

Oh, absolutley, I definitely think there should at least be partial claiming today.

[Xalxe]

EBWOP: But I feel no need to let scum know precisely what the roles I submitted can do.

They may be very useful...

[Xalxe]

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

Xalxe, why are you now against people doing what was originally your suggestion?

I'm not.

I'm against their acting before we have concensus.

Why the PSA?

[Xalxe]

post 32 is not in english.

@ Olinea: I don't agree with him, but I see where he's coming from.
Plus possible existence of a death miller/antimiller is something that should be public knowledge due to how much it screws up VCAs

Even if the first part was confusing, the second part is not, and a well-intentioned, intelligent person could have made out what I meant by it. But because I could have been clearer, I'll help you out:

You say "other than rhetoric"?! Let's examine that. What would you consider a rhetoric-less vote explanation at this point?

Oooh, oooh, I've got one!

Fakevote: zoraster

Yep, that's about it.

chesskid, I don't know why you've chosen to start a problem in this game. I don't know if you're like this in other games, but it's annoying as heck; please cease and desist.

[Xalxe]

Player	Role #1	Role #2	Role #3
danakillsu	Odd/Even Night VigMasons	Role Copier	Robber
Olinea	Detonator	Super Vanilla Townie	Mafia Matchmakers
WhenInRome	Tattletale	Cultist	Silencer
StrangerCoug	Kamikaze Pilot	Voyeur	Rolecop
zoraster	Yancy	Time Traveling Killer	Handwriter

Roles claimed so far. This will be added to as the game goes on; BTW, click the player's name for a link to the post where they claimed the roles.

[Xalxe]

Player	Role #1	Role #2	Role #3
danakillsu	Odd/Even Night VigMasons	Role Copier	Robber
Olinea	Detonator	Artist	Mafia Matchmakers
WhenInRome	Tattletale	Cultist	Silencer
StrangerCoug	Kamikaze Pilot	Voyeur	Rolecop
zoraster	Yancy	Time Traveling Killer	Handwriter
chesskid3	Deathmiller	???	???
CooLDoG	Day Vigga	Porn Star	Rush Limbaugh
Demon Hybrid	Bomb	Hider	Sensor
ender241	White Mage	Governor	Suicide Bomber
Xalxe	Lolcat	Xemnas	None

[Xalxe]

Xalxe: how did you give us a clue as to your submitted role? I was assuming you were breadcrumbing a "I submitted Officer Rex Mannington" claim in your first post but apparently no...

If I told you, the breadcrumb would be pointless. It was more for whoever has my role to pick up on and confirm it. Checking you off that list.

[Xalxe]

Also, is there no cops in this game? Is that what the post four means from the mod?

A standard cop, not unless there are multiple scumteams. I sent in a role cop, though.

No, what I believe that the mod means is that Officer Rex Mannington is not in the game. Any other role could be though.

I think it was just published to get everyone on the same page in terms of Role PM organization--which means whoever got my role might not pick up on my breadcrumb. Wah.

[Xalxe]

zora, I never said NOBODY DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE CLAIMS. Then I would agree with your logic.

However, in this instance I believe your logic is faulty.

[Xalxe]

Watch this space...

For what?

~Votecount

[Xalxe]

And what else do we have to focus on?

Pretty sure in my eyes the RVS is done.

[Xalxe]

And what else do we have to focus on?

Pretty sure in my eyes the RVS is done.

What the heck ever you want to focus on. If the RVS is over, then you should have some suspicions or something. Start scum hunting.

But no. Instead your "thing" is posting about the claim. I appreciate that you have a list. I'd really like to see the list when everyone (or at least everyone who wanted to post) has posted theirs. But I'm uninterested in a continual score keeping of what people have claimed.

And THAT's what I'm talking about. You're not being that helpful, but you're trying to LOOK helpful and LOOK townie, without actually contributing or standing out. So I'm calling you on that, scum.

Okay, no. Straight up, no. It's not like I've spent the entire 4 pages hounding people for claims. So no, my "thing" is not the claims, it's that I feel it's a helpful way to get the game started.

Hell, it was your idea! Why are you so against it? Because quite frankly, I can't figure it out, unless you've got a scumbuddy who's yelling at you right now and saying STFU MASSCLAIM BAD FOR USE.

Also, DemonHybrid, contribute please, don't just sheep with no explaination at all.

[Xalxe]

>.>

Dear god chesskid, why?

[Xalxe]

SC, the way I play, you can give me one vote or twenty one votes, and I won't care as long as there is proper logic behind them.

This is not. Please unvote.

[Xalxe]

And more flawed logic! Pressure (n) 2 or 3 votes applied to a player to make them talk.

I'm talking with about five.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe the issue I have is that you are making such a big deal with the claims, you suggested it in the first post, and yet you are reluctant to give your own claim.

Taking out the vote I was going to put here, with DeathNote's vote I feel this is slightly too fast for a wagon this early

My claim has been given.

[Xalxe]

Oh, see, I just added it to the grid because that was easier. Sorry if that made things more confusing.

[Xalxe]

Wait, what the...

what is this I don't even?

[Xalxe]

Or it's possible there could be other daykillers with similar flavor.

[Xalxe]

And, finally (sorry for the triple-post), I should mention that this proves that drug dealing NEVER pays.

Your post restriction must suck. That's, like, twice now, jeez.

[Xalxe]

I have to agree with those who are blaming Olinea for this. My reasoning requires a claim from someone to be sure, but it makes sense to me.

I'd also like a votecount before I do anything rash.

[Xalxe]

Do you think it would be possible for Olinea to get the role they submitted?

Yes. Yes I do.

[Xalxe]

Why?

This question was never asked; as such, I will not answer it.

[Xalxe]

That is a really good idea.

[Xalxe]

I wish I had gotten a PM that D1 had started before yesterday afternoon, but oh well.

There are so many things wrong with this game already...
Claiming roles is pointless, detracts from discussion, and creates confusion that only helps the scum. FoS: Xalxe and Zoraster for that reason.

No. Also, you can vote, y'know. Using FoS's this early is scummy.

The wagon on Olinea is pointless, detracts from discussion, and creates confusion that only helps the scum.

No wagon is pointless.

There probably are multiple power roles that daykill. And why does everyone seem to think that whoever killed chess was scum?

Erm...because they killed a fairly random player with no discussion? If it's not scum, it was certainly an anti-town player.

Does that mean that everyone who voted for him was scum?

False dilemma.

Random FoS for Sevei for his/her last post.

There shouldn't be anything random here at this point.

Hey guys, I caught a live one here!

VOTE: Zajnet

[Xalxe]

Random FoS for Sevei for his/her last post.

There shouldn't be anything random here at this point.

Hey guys, I caught a live one here!

VOTE: Zajnet

bahahahahahahahahahahaha

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

ahhhhh

Random = tacked on at the end of my post and unrelated to the other stuff I was talking about.
It was a very real FoS because of his vote for WheninRome.

And even if it was random in the sense that you mean, that was my first post. To me, the game has just started.

Then please say that so I don't suspect you--oops, too late.

I wish I had gotten a PM that D1 had started before yesterday afternoon, but oh well.

There are so many things wrong with this game already...
Claiming roles is pointless, detracts from discussion, and creates confusion that only helps the scum. FoS: Xalxe and Zoraster for that reason.

No. Also, you can vote, y'know. Using FoS's this early is scummy.

What point is there to claiming roles? How does it add to real discussion? How does it not create confusion?

How is using FoS's this early scummy?

Using an FoS without a vote indicates unwillingness to vote. Only scum are unwilling to vote.

There probably are multiple power roles that daykill. And why does everyone seem to think that whoever killed chess was scum?

Erm...because they killed a fairly random player with no discussion? If it's not scum, it was certainly an anti-town player.

Does that mean that everyone who voted for him was scum?

False dilemma.

Scum wouldn't want to kill chess this early because he was a random player. Random players are useful for the scum to hide behind. I can see a townie killing chess more than I can see a scum killing him because he was a fairly random player.

Please elaborate on this "false delimma."

A false dIlemma is when a player sets up two statements in an absolute fasion so players are forced to choose, i.e. "Either you're scum or I am!" when in fact both could be true.

You've set up "Either scum killed him or everyone on his wagon should be lynched!" Wrong.

[Xalxe]

Furclow, just vote Olinea.

Zajnet: Um, what questions did I avoid?

[Xalxe]

Because that wouldn't help prove the role, now would it?

[Xalxe]

Ooh, ooh, let me help!

VOTE: Furcolow

Maybe I'll go back to Zaj once you do as asked.

[Xalxe]

OMGUS and straight-up-wrongess.

I like this vote. Now unvote me and vote Olinea, and I might remove it.

[Xalxe]

Furcolow: Because I think Olinea is town. What do you mean, "preserving myself?"

[Xalxe]

Furclow, just vote Olinea.

Zajnet: Um, what questions did I avoid?

What point is there to claiming roles? How does it add to real discussion? How does it not create confusion?

Oops. Knew there was...anyway, it give scum much less room to hide behind actions. If there's a tracker/watcher/etc, and scumman is seen targetting playerX, there are only so many actions available.

Semi-open over Closed is better for town.

And here's a comment that I feel shoots a hole in your entire argument that you didn't respond to:

Scum wouldn't want to kill chess this early because he was a random player. Random players are useful for the scum to hide behind. I can see a townie killing chess more than I can see a scum killing him because he was a fairly random player.

How so?

[Xalxe]

Llama, is Furcolow not voting Olinea a mod error?

IMPORTANT QUESTION

[Xalxe]

Olinea is telling the truth then.

Just to be sure, Furcolow should vote someone else to be sure he has a vote.

[Xalxe]

Oh, also, zora: just watched the video:

ZAHL-zay

[Xalxe]

So, Zaj, what you're saying is that whoever randomly blew up chesskid is town, because he was more useful to scum?

[Xalxe]

Again, I'd like furclow to vote someone else before I really hop on this wagon.

[Xalxe]

:O

This...this changes a lot of things, actually...

[Xalxe]

I still want furc to vote someone else to ensure he has a vote.

@whoever: I sent a role that...kinda messes with voting...not who you can vote for, but what could or could not happen as a result...maybe. It's all dependant on mod interpretation.

Remind me tomorrow and I'll update the table.

[Xalxe]

Furcolow: Because I think Olinea is town. What do you mean, "preserving myself?"

well, the fact olinea is likely fakeclaiming, bolded the word detonate...
and you have been making mostly one liners. even the post that took up half the page was mainly a quote. I am suspicious of both of you all.

That's how I post. I don't really do wall o' texts unless I need to make a strong case.

Also, vote someone just for tests. Then you can go back to Olinea if you feel it necessary.

[Xalxe]

Player	Role #1	Role #2	Role #3
danakillsu	Odd/Even Night VigMasons	Role Copier	Robber
Olinea	Detonator	Artist	Mafia Matchmakers
WhenInRome	Tattletale	Cultist	Silencer
StrangerCoug	Kamikaze Pilot	Voyeur	Rolecop
zoraster	Yancy	Time Traveling Killer	Handwriter
chesskid3	Deathmiller	???	???
CooLDoG	Day Vigga	Porn Star	Rush Limbaugh
Demon Hybrid	Bomb	Hider	Sensor
ender241	White Mage	Governor	Suicide Bomber
Xalxe	Lolcat	Xemnas	None
DeathNote	Jester	Hidden Traitor/Medium	Restriction
Tasky	Background Noise (CooLDoG)	???	???
Nocmen	Drug Dealer (chesskid3)	???	???
Fishythefish	Vanilla Townie	Graverobber	???
Sevei	Hider	Inventor	Ninja/Thief/Assassin

I swear someone said they'd created the Yosarianite role, but I can't find it on my reskim.

Also, furcolow NEEDS TO VOTE SOMEBODY ELSE.

If he can't, we lynch Olinea and Forcolow as scumbuddies in cahoots.

[Xalxe]

Kthx. That'll go into the next update.

[Xalxe]

Plum: I am reading the thread. Reading is tech.

[Xalxe]

IS, I don't disagree with you, but I'm going to point out that the mods have discretion to modify our roles as they see fit.

[Xalxe]

Plum, I apologize for not remembering precisely who made an offhand comment.

[Xalxe]

Mods will modify, not add/subtract. When scum1234 claims Batman and nobody submitted it, it's a safe bet they're lying.

[Xalxe]

I don't know why I haven't asked this earlier, but

Did anyone send in a role that functions as a Daykill when you PM it to the Mod?

I sent a role like this.

Also, @Amrun: I know. I need to make time to put together coherent thoughts.

[Xalxe]

So.... If someone comes forward with the post bomber role, it would be safe to assume Ender is not the jester role.

As in, somebody made it?

[Xalxe]

I’m going through and doing quick iso’s of each player in random order. This should be done by tonight; I’d appreciate it if everyone answered the questions directed at them.

Also, I won’t be responding to anything else until I’m done with this, so you’ll just have to wait.

Plum

Most of her posts, oddly enough, have been directed at me. Aside from one large post, not much scumhunting. She did give a hint as to why chesskid3 and CooLDoG were lovers.

Plum’s Question:

Why were chesskid3 and CooLDoG lovers?

Fishythefish

Fishy is town. I agree with just about all of his reads I believe, and he didn’t get on the idiotic Olinea wagon. Nice scumhunting, avoids fluff posts.

Fishythefish’s Question:

You said that Olinea’s role has nothing to do with the fact that you want him lynched. Why do you want him lynched?

Zajnet

Zaj started out well with a nice scummy post and wonderful responses to my questions. /sarcasm
Lately, he’s been active lurkering with some nice setup speculation. Also, I find it odd that so many “scumtells” have been discovered on lynchable players…

Zajnet’s Question:

You say in post 10 of your iso that you’re not sure if Olinea or myself should be lynched first. How about now?

StrangerCoug

SC is doing a nice job of looking like he’s scumhunting more than he is. His votes (of which there have been many) are often accompanied by a quote and a brief reason (i.e. “No, you’re wrong there. VOTE: You”). There is also a lot of flip-flopping.

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Furcolow

Started out weak, but has gotten better since. I think it was stupid to refuse to verify some part of Olinea's roleclaim, but since then, you've at least been trying to help.

Furcolow's Question:

Last we heard from you, a surprising revalation had "changed everything." What are your thoughts now?

brokenscraps

I like brokenscraps. You need to post more. You enjoy that spot on the townie scale now, just keep posting.

brokenscraps' Question:

Who is scum? No less than three suspects.

Nocmen

Nocmen posts in much the same manner as myself, and has good reads. Well done sir.

Nocmen's Question:

Is there any way CooLDoG could have influenced the game already? As in, could he have given an item to somebody thus far?

WhenInRome

Wow, four posts. Are you even here and reading?

WhenInRome's Question:

Who is scum and who is town? No less than two suspects per, please.

Sevei

Catch up pls kthxbai.

Sevei's Question:

Provide reads pls. Thanks.

Amrun

Thanks for replacing. I like that you've gotten to posting reads already, that's good. Erm...yeah, not much else.

Amrun's Question:

You have one unstoppable daykill to use today only. Who do you shoot?

Internet Stranger

IS, while I feel that you have some good points, they get lost among the pointless bullshit and WTF ARE YOU DOING DAMMIT SHUT THE ************ UP AND GO LYNCH SCUM NAO. I'd appreciate some clearer points.

Internet Stranger's Question:

Who is town? No less than three now.

ribwich

You haven't posted.

danakillsu

You haven't really presented reads, just called everyone else stupid for looking for a detonator. I'm curious...

danakillsu's Question:

I'd like a list of town --> scum please.

poplartajo

Aside from the "die furcolow die" crusade you've taken up as of late, I've never had a reason to criticize you thus far. Although you should utilize those nice votecounts that pop up from time to time.

populartajo's Question:

Why do you think Amrun is scum?

zoraster

I don't agree with your reads on me and Olinea. So, sorry, but I'm at odds with you here; in addition, you've gotten choppy as of late in your posts.

zoraster's Question:

Would you please stop posting videos? They're a pain. Pics are fine.

Tasky

I disconcur with your Olinea views and stance on massclaim. But you've...not improved, but you're not worse either.

Tasky's Question:

Why do you sound like you want people to vote for you?

ender241

Thanks for claiming responsibility for chesskid's death. But you don't seem to have many reads, and quite frankly, you've been entirely unproductive all game.

ender241's Question:

Who is scum?

DeathNote

Unwilling to answer questions, cryptic about reasoning, and posts reeking of scum. VOTE: DeathNote

DeathNote's Question:

Why won't you answer Amrun's question?

DemonHybrid

Ehh...I don't like your early game play. You've gotten better though.

DemonHybrid's Question:

Who is scum?

Olinea

Framed as the detonator, proven not to be, quite frankly, I like Olinea town. The claim was a bit early for my taste, but I think it's worked out well.

Olinea's Question:

Why did you pick Furcolow as the one who couldn't vote for you?

[Xalxe]

Plum

Most of her posts, oddly enough, have been directed at me. Aside from one large post, not much scumhunting. She did give a hint as to why chesskid3 and CooLDoG were lovers.

Plum’s Question:

Why were chesskid3 and CooLDoG lovers?

Because I made them such pre-game. I had no choice but to Loverize two people and I chose them.

It's funny that you don't think it's scumhunting when it's directed in large part at you. For my part I've not been impressed by

your

scumhunting[/i] and this last post reads as something as a contrived effort at appearing to scumhunt or provide content. Why do you seem to think that people with similar reads to yours are Town? Half the people in this game you ask variations of 'provide reads'. You cleverly try to make them sound different - generic requests for reads, requests for three Townreads, three scumreads, or both, request a hypothetical Dayvig target - but a lot of this is either filler to make the post seem nice and/or directed at making you look like your trying to promote activity. Going through every single player in this game and giving a brief overview and half-the-time meaningless/generic question doesn't seem to spring from organic scumhunting, and, given that I was suspecting you for not posting scumhunting content/not paying attention to important things in the game. I am unimpressed, anyway.

Also - why do you tell Zoro to stop posting videos and not me? I'm probably a worse offender than he; one post's videos contained twelve minute's worth of stuff.

1) I asked for more reads because few had been given.
2) Because zora had previously indicated he intended to do this, so he's harder to stop. You should too.

zoraster
I don't agree with your reads on me and Olinea. So, sorry, but I'm at odds with you here; in addition, you've gotten choppy as of late in your posts.

zoraster's Question: Would you please stop posting videos? They're a pain. Pics are fine.

First, no I will not.

Second, this post is so scummy! "So sorry I'm at odds with you here" what? It would be awfully weird if I expected him to agree with my scum read on him. So why bother posting this in the first place, especially if he's just going to wuss out and say "oh, well i don't agree with you here."

Let's make that clearer:

Xalxe is scum.

Now it is time to vote for Xalxe, everyone.

Proof pls.

@Plum

: Do you have multiple loverizes, or just one?

WhenInRome's Question: Who is scum and who is town? No less than two suspects per, please.

Well, Furc seems scummy to me. Mostly because he only seems to do anything if the town wants him to do it. It's also just a gut feeling, which can be very powerful. DeathNote is my other scum read. I want clear answers, not some bullshit riddles that seems like it should be on an Egyptian tomb: "The gods admire your desire for this treasure, but you are trying to make this too easy for you. I will not reveal the map until the three stones are placed in the Gateway."
For town, I'd say Plum and Oli. Plum seems to be actual scumhunting, not just pseudo-scumhunting. Oli has a confirmed role (well, it could still be scum, but he's the only clear (speaking of clears,did anyone submit the post bomber role?))

P.S. I can't watch videos, as I have an extremely old computer that should be in a museum. So don't ask me anything important in the videos, okay?

:goodposting:

@Olinea

: Hmm...okay. Can the target be changed every day?

Nope. I said Oli's role has nothing (or very little) to do with how much I want him lynched. At the moment he's vying for second place on my scumlist with a couple of others, I'd say.

Can you explain your DN read in more detail, please? Any other scumreads? How do you feel about Furc?

DN has been playing as if he is too good to answer questions or answer for his actions. Other scumreads include InternetStranger and Furcolow.

[Xalxe]

*applause*

Fantastic sheeping. Looks like my first analysis of you was right.

[Xalxe]

So, I like that I get lynched when I try to scumhunt. This is a wonderful idea.

Seriously, what the hell?

[Xalxe]

I see the point in IS's vote, but not so much Zaj's.

I don't.

Xalxe how do you define scumhunting?

Also please scumlist in your following post.

Scumhunting (n): Attempting to catch anti-town players via their actions, statements, votes, etc. Is your definition different?

By scumlist, I presume you mean "people who are scum." Off the top of my head, it includes zoraster, DeathNote (who I believe I'm voting for, no?), InternetStranger, zajnet, furcolow, and maybe DemonHybrid and danakillsu.

Xalxe, how did you go from this:

Furcolow

Started out weak, but has gotten better since. I think it was stupid to refuse to verify some part of Olinea's roleclaim, but since then, you've at least been trying to help.

Furcolow's Question:

Last we heard from you, a surprising revalation had "changed everything." What are your thoughts now?

to this:

Other scumreads include InternetStranger and Furcolow.

When I had not been posting, as I had been sick without the internet? You completely flip-flopped here.

No, no I didn't. You just aren't the best lynch right now.

@Tasky: No. Actually, I didn't read that...which gives me pause. Add Olinea to the scumlist actually.

And RE: why no Olinea vote yet, quite frankly, I don't like the false dilemma you're providing the town, though with the gambit et al it is a more formidable case.
Oh, and I see your response to zaj, and no. What you said was that you would only tolerate votes for Olinea or disagreement with you, i.e. "You vote for Olinea or you are wrong."

[Xalxe]

@mods: Votecount mayhaps?

[Xalxe]

Just looking at Xalxe's lack of a decent response just cements my suspicions of Xalxe being filthy scum. He keeps playing the game where he just skims the water and isn't really comitted to anything. That's usually a great indicator of scumminess. Scum have to remain flexible or else they can get pinned into a lie and caught.

My vote stays. Do we have any lurkers that need prodding?

Decent response to what?

[Xalxe]

I am truly really conflicted right now. I could see both Olinea and Tasky attacking each other with town v. scum, or even town v. town, but they can't both be scum...

Why does it sound like they both are?

[Xalxe]

Because thats the only fucking clue i fucking have, alright? Pushing something is a BAD thing if you wait until people realise something then it will happen.
UNVOTE:
I'm going to do something stupid here, VOTE: Xalxe happy now IS?

You're right, that is stupid. Following a blinking moron will not help your case at all.

[Xalxe]

I'm sorry, you're right. That was unnecessary.

[Xalxe]

UNVOTE:

I don't have a bloody clue who to vote for, really...

So do some scumhunting! This is the second time you've said something like this, iirc. Catch up and provide solid reads plz.

[Xalxe]

How so?

[Xalxe]

Oh no! How dare I ask you for proof as to why I'm scum.

Pardon me, I'm sure.

[Xalxe]

By scumlist, I presume you mean "people who are scum." Off the top of my head, it includes zoraster, DeathNote (who I believe I'm voting for, no?), InternetStranger, zajnet, furcolow, and maybe DemonHybrid and danakillsu.

[Xalxe]

Au contraire, FMPOV. Scum wants the wagon off them. Town sees the value in knowing scum is voting for them.

[Xalxe]

Well, obviously I don't want to be lynched. But I'm gaining useful information. Why aren't you?

[Xalxe]

I just love how somehow SIX (6) people are scum in Xalxe's eyes. Damn, even I dont try to cast a net and try to catch me SIX scum at the same time. It sounds more like he is trapped and is just trying to lash out and see what sticks. Funny how Xalxe was my initial scum before all of these silly detonator (and now post bomber) shenanigans were throwing me off.

Im pretty confident that we got ourselves some cornered scum here.

No. Nonono. No. I never said EVERYONE on my wagon was scum. Just that it was scum-driven.

[Xalxe]

That is not real content, Xalxe.

I think I know that.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, links to other town games now.

Say please...

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[Xalxe]

Xalxe, do you have aditional games in the site?

Approx. 1 finished (really crappy scum) and 2 where I'm dead but that are ongoing.

By scumlist, I presume you mean "people who are scum." Off the top of my head, it includes zoraster, DeathNote (who I believe I'm voting for, no?), InternetStranger, zajnet, furcolow, and maybe DemonHybrid and danakillsu.

Huh? This sure looks like a list of scum to me. You even called them "people who are scum". Do you think we are dumb, Xalxe?
Oh hey, I even miscounted. ITS actually SEVEN (7) people.

You know Xalxe, if you just go down the list of players and call them all scum, im sure you would catch a few in there.

Apologies, perhaps that should have been worded more along the lines of "there are 2+ scum at least in this list."

[Xalxe]

Y'know, I have a wiki for a reason.

Wait Your Turn, Tex

[Xalxe]

xalxe: who are you current town/scum reads?

Town: tajo, fishy (sliding down), brokenscraps (needs moar postings), Nocmen, Amrun (iffy), Olinea
Scum (as in, I'd lynch them): zajnet, furcolow, Internet Stranger, DeathNote, zajnet

Everyone else is neutral.

I dont understand something, who sent ender's detonator role?

A question that could have been answered with a nice D1 massclaim. Instead, we have two down and others refusing /soapbox

Thadmiral, Amrun, Olinea, Plum, ender241, danakillsu, brokenscraps, Xalxe, Tasky

guys, its time to either compromise to one of the top wagons (Xalxe, Furcolow or ender) or make a solid case against any other choice, tia.

Furcolow > ender in my book, but let's see if anybody pulls something out.

Tajo: I have said several times that I'm unsatisfied with Xalxe's scumhunting and HATE his responses to the accusations.

Also, someone said that listing 7 people as scum is a towntell.


How is it?! Any scum can do that and hope suspicion falls on one of the people he listed so he can hop on board with some degree of credibility.

Yeah...no, because when you do things like that, people, oh, I dunno, get suspicious? And maybe, you know? Get votes?

Again, the way your posts are directed at me, you seem to think I have a survivor wincon or something, when I don't. My wincon is town. I win when town wins,

even if I die

.

[Xalxe]

So, encouraging town to lynch you instead of lynch scum (according to you), is helpful to town?

It's not.

Maybe you're missing the point. I don't want to be lynched. Hell, I don't really want to be wagoned either,

but it's useful info

. We see who is likely to defend me (should I turn up scum; lol), who votehops onto the biggest wagon, who lurks as soon as they're out of the spotlight (well done Olinea on not), etc.

Every post in every game has useful information.

[Xalxe]

I will defend against points that make sense. So far it's been something along the lines of "Massclaim_is_bad" and "keep talking."

[Xalxe]

Oddly enough, I agree with IS here (except for the part about Xalxescum)

[Xalxe]

That's what I was thinking too, broken. The entire "Olinea fiasco" doesn't make sense unless Olinea, Furcolow and ender are all scum together. As it is, really only furcolow could be scum of the three.

[Xalxe]

And since there is a jester role,

Er...no. I highly doubt the existence of third party roles. Your case is full of shit.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, why? A jester role was submitted.

Because the first rule of role submission is

don't talk about role submission

it has to work for town or scum. Town Jester? No. Scum Jester? No. Jester? No.

Also, forgot to mention before, nice votehop Furcolow.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, why? A jester role was submitted.

Because the first rule of role submission is

don't talk about role submission

it has to work for town or scum. Town Jester? No. Scum Jester? No. Jester? No.

Also, forgot to mention before, nice votehop Furcolow.

Wait...so you don't think that any third parties are possible? Why?

Because I believe the roles had the intent of town v. scum, and they were sided as such. I don't think that third parties will make an appearance here. Though if they do, I am prepared to eat my hat.

[Xalxe]

tajo, please stop making me agree with you.

UNVOTE: DeathNote
VOTE: Furcolow

This can be a great wagon, as DeathNote seems to not be a possibility.

[Xalxe]

How can I ever be sure someone is scum.... I know I'm town, that's all I know, I'm not seeing what you're getting at. Are you purposefully being dense?

No, see, you're not listening. What tajo and others are saying is that you have decidedly changed your stance several times, and then proceeded to pretend like the new stance is not new at all.

[Xalxe]

Yeah, the "jester ends game" thing comes from another site, where it's called the fool. I realized that's probably not how it works here, (those games are fast chat-room style) so that was a bad reason. Since I really don't want to keep my vote on someone for a horrible reason (I was afraid of jester), and since Furc seems to be contradicting himself far too often (and since he's just realllllyyyyy scummy), I'll go with a vote that isn't driven by 3rd-party fear (damn you and your stupid bell-hat!)

Mod: Can you confirm if there are 3rd-party roles?

1) I presume you speak of EpicMafia?

2) Y u no vote Furcy?

[Xalxe]

Fine. I still got my eye on you Xalxe!

Unvote: Xalxe
Vote Furcolow

Fair enough; in fact, if you didn't, I'd be suspicious.

[Xalxe]

Well...blah, I don't even know what conclusions to draw. I concur with the SC suspicions, but I need me some rereads.

Also, note my sig please.

[Xalxe]

SC is under suspicion for suggesting multiple scumteams that now appears to be a possibility.

[Xalxe]

I wouldn't be surprised by two...but the C throws me off.

[Xalxe]

ender, what? I don't understand your reasoning.

[Xalxe]

Okay, if that's his point, he's misinterpreting. What I'm saying is that in a game of 23 players, 3 scumteams is unlikely for balance reasons.

[Xalxe]

VOTE: Xalxe Assuming he's scum, he's making it seem like it is not true that there is one making us think there's less scum to take out.

"Assuming he's scum"? You clarify the rest, but this part of the post is still weird. Why are you softening it?

VOTE: ender241

Shh, he's trying to hide from my town flip.

[Xalxe]

Dammit tajo...why do you post so well now?

Note that I wanna really hear SC weigh in before I vote him fo'sho, but I will barring batshit insanity.

[Xalxe]

Interesting non-response from SC...would you like to mount a defense now?

P-EDIT: Eh what now?

[Xalxe]

Not that it matters much apparently, but if you're so set on your death, roleclaim pls?

[Xalxe]

I'd still appreciate it...and how do we know this (besides your bah!ing)

[Xalxe]

oh and can the dude who gave me my role explain the parts of it that I don't know
like
what colors represent

This

Is cooldog now also alive?

But ender is dead night 0?!

What am I even reading?

Imho, ender looks like a town vig/power... Ender looked scummy and I don't think scum would intentionally revive two townies.

Best guess? Somebody used a Fuck With Time ability and made it so ender died n0, so CooLDoG and chesskid3 didn't die, because ender wasn't alive to kill them.

It makes sense if you don't think too hard about it.

if they'd like to claim for the autoclear, i guess they could.

I SWEAR TO GOD CHESSKID, IF YOU WEREN'T CONFTOWN...

Oh, I forgot, a big "fuck you" to whoever did that. Two conftown VIs is not a good thing. Who was ender targetting as scum?

All I can fathom so far is that I'm going to miss Plum. She always seems to level-headed and is an asset to the town. I'll miss the videos too

I need a moment to try to figure out wtf just happened with ender, chesskid, and cooldog.

This post is a problem.

Yea, Plum was hawt, but there never was enough cleavage in her videos.

There isnt much to say other than I still think Xalxe is still filthy scum. This one is easy, do an ISO on him for Day two. One liner posts, a bunch of useless speculation and babble about multiple scumteams, ZERO (0) scumhunting and a bunch of hemming and hawing on the now very dead StrangerCoug.

Vote: XalxeScum

My "hemming and hawing," as you put it, was because I wanted to hear his side before I placed a vote. Obviously that didn't help much, as he's dead now.

Fucking done! okay here is what I'm looking at.

Town: Arum, Tasky, Sevei (but needs to post more), and both people with a "Z" in their name.

Scum: Xalvel (or what ever your name is) tajo, I see a fucking bussy here, Death note, Lets play lurk hard core and not talk about any of my scum buds shall we?, and Ender is 3rd party.

null everybody else.

Everybody else also needs to post more. That is all I'm posting. But I would like to revise my early vote,

unvote, vote:Deathnote

I wish you were dead still; the level of posting here is god-awful. The ONLY thing I agree with is the DeathNote scum read in the scum side. What the hell is tajo doing in the scum reads, ender WAS NEVER THIRD PARTY HA TOLD YOU SO, Amrun is town, null on all others IIRC.

Vote Count analysis coming in a moment.

[Xalxe]

End of Day Vote Count

Furcolow

(9) – Nocmen, populartajo, Xalxe, DemonHybrid, Fishythefish,

danakillsu

,

StrangerCoug

, Internet Stranger, DeathNote
Xalxe (6) – zoraster, Zajnet, Sevei,

ender241

, WhenInRome,

Furcolow

Olinea (1) – Tasky
DeathNote (1) – Amrun
DemonHybrid (1) – brokenscraps
Tasky (1) – Olinea

Not Voting (2) – Thadmiral,

Plum

*Modscene is correct before someone messages me about it being wrong

End of Day Vote Count

StrangerCoug

(7) – Olinea, populartajo, DemonHybrid, Internet Stranger, Amrun,

Plum

, brokenscraps
Xalxe (3) – DeathNote, ender241, Fishythefish

ender241

(1) – StrangerCoug

Not Voting (8) – Thadmrial, Tasky, zoraster, Zajnet, Nocmen, WhenInRome, Sevei, Xalxe
With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Yes that is a correct end of day votecount
~All players who did not post during day two have been prodded to make sure they are still playing.

One of the things I find most interesting is the mod's message at the end of D1, almost like Furc was a miller, or not Mafia C...

I recognize the WIFOM, but it bears thought.

[Xalxe]

ok i'm a gimped inventor
WHAT DOES EACH COLOR FUCKING DO
GODDAMNIT IT IS NOT A HARD QUESTION

somebody needs to answer this before he gets viged again.

:agree:

[Xalxe]

I was talking to TA, but do what ever you want. I did submit a dayvigga, but he has to post in thread I believe...

And what does that have to do with anything?

Also, VOTE: DeathNote

[Xalxe]

Does it? I thought...if a doc protects chesskid, but CooLDoG dies, then chesskid committs suicide.

But I dunno.

[Xalxe]

Oh, alright then. Carry on with surviving.

[Xalxe]

Seriously, we've found lurkerscum. GJ all.

@IS: Maybe I'm town, didja ever consider that?

[Xalxe]

DN, why don't you care that we want to lynch you?

[Xalxe]

A look at the two major wagons today, and the person I am voting for

Xalxe:
Says to go with the claim of submitted roles, and then doesn't want to give his full claims. To me, this seems like there's a partner or some reason that he wants to keep his roles secret.
Very little content in his early posts besides mentioning the claims.
Votes Furc for what seems to be the same reasons I voted for Furc.
Seems to be willing to flip between Furc and Zaj as each is beneficial.
His questions post is a lot of just actually seeing what people's thoughts are. Not much content revelation, but places a vote for DeathNote here as well.
Doesn't place a vote during Day 2, nor does he contribute much more than repeating some posts about SC.

Overall, I don't like that he's testing the waters, and his votes D1 compared to D2. Seems a bit too cautious with the SC wagon when he seemed happy to vote the first Day.

Question to Xalxe: Why no votes Day 2?

1) I claimed submitted roles, whatchu talkin' bout?
2) Why no votes? I wanted SC to weigh in first. I stated that I would vote him if I found it necessary, but by the time he showed up, he had been mistakenly hammered.

[Xalxe]

Am I tunneling, FUCK YEA I AM, I think XALXE is SCUM. Of course im going to tunnel on him.

So nobody else is scum? Nobody? At ALL?

If we have a vig in town, you suck at life. Please end IS now. He is antitown at BEST.

[Xalxe]

its a bit late to be vigging anti-towns
we need to start lynching scum,, because it's like 5 dead town v 1 dead scum

But we've had, what, one kill each night? In a game this large, with IS, I'd be willing to take that chance were I a vig.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count
Olinea(1) - Tasky
Tasky(1) - Olinea

Okay, seriously you two. NEITHER of you is getting lynched today, unless you can pull some fantastic new evidence to light that proves the other is irrefutable scum. Until this happens upon the Summer Solstice, would you please,

please

put your votes to better use?

[Xalxe]

Oh, hey, I'm going to try and catch up tonight, but before I go back to work, WIR targetted me night before last. And I don't see it as scummy.

[Xalxe]

Does he assrape you at night or something? What's his deal?

Quite the opposite.

[Xalxe]

He told me he targetted you night 1. Didnt he tell you what his ability did?

Unless he has an additional one, no, but I'll let him claim.

[Xalxe]

IS, I think you meant "You're seriously going to tell me that CooLDoG is being taken seriously?"

Because that's sure as hell what I'm thinking right now.

[Xalxe]

Oh, if I thought a lyncher role was likely, IS would be my lyncher fo'sho. As it is, this blatant tunneling is annoying and anti-town.

[Xalxe]

Sorry I haven't been posting. My life has been annoyingly strange lately... anyways... This game is falling apart imo, nobody seems to be able to agree on anything, and you'd think that the fact that we have two confirmed townies would help, but just our luck one of them is a VI. I have no solid reads other than the fact that I still think that Xalxe is scum, which is really strange in a game this big. Maybe I'm just not putting enough effort into this game, or maybe scum are being really good at hiding, I don't know. Expect more out of me next week since its spring break.

One of them? I'd classify them both under the VI category.

[Xalxe]

PROTIP: ender is deadtown.

[Xalxe]

poptajo, what abilities does he have besides the immediately apparent one?

[Xalxe]

Unvote,
Vote: Xalxe

Why?

I've gotten way behind in posting here, especially since day two ended so very quickly, but I'm still happy with a Xalxe lynch, same reasons apply. More to come after I catch up a bit on my notes.

Vote: Xalxe

Why?

So its now 6/5 in favor of death note, I would be willing to switch my vote to xalxe. As a matter of fact, I feel like doing that now...

unvote, vote: xlave

.

Why?

unvote
vote: xalxe

Why?

Seriously, someone other than a raving lunatic please explain it. IDGI

Why would the mod include a role cop if there was a single scumteam? It would seem like a strange choice to me.

It's not definite. Just something to think about.

I think a rolecop would be very useful. This is at least the second time you've tried to instill fear and doubt into the town. Please stop.

OHEY WAIT I REALIZED SOMETHING

Why did Furcolow die at nine votes? Not that I'm complaining, but how did I not notice this?!?

current position

DemonHybrid>>>Deathnote>Xalxe.

Why do you people think DemonHybrid is town?

I don't. I just think there are other scumz out there, namely, DeathNote.

So, fuck it. Going to post this with spelling errors and abridged thoughts.


plain and simple, I don't like the IS StrangerCoug vote. And while I can see the case on DeathNote, I've played a few games with him and I think he has a naturally scummy play style. Xalxe comes off as a strange person to me, rather than a scummy player. I also don't understand all of this night kill speculation. What happened happened, it's too early to try to figure out who did what.

Vote: Internet Stranger

DemonHybrid is not scum. But you should vote DeathNote instead.

VOTE: DeathNote in case I'm not already.

eBWOP: Correction; also didn't see the broken tag at first, but the point still stands that you felt like you needed to restate your Xalxe suspicion the whole way along the SC bandwagon just in case the suspicion was switched. I don't like FoSes and Votes in the same post.

I will not lynch DemonHybrid today.

There's a miniwall for y'all. You welcome.

PEDIT: What else do you do, WIR? Tajo seems to think you do someting else.

[Xalxe]

Fuck it, here's what happened:

WIR opened a QuickTopic with me overnight Night 1. Tajo received the same treatment N2. I dunno what he said to Tajo, but basically no discussion took place between me and WIR. If there are secondary abilities there, I don't know them. Also, I crumbed this quickly when this discussion started.

PEDIT: No, obv not.

[Xalxe]

SAY WHAT NOW?!?

[Xalxe]

Wait, so you had sex with me? Eeeewww...

Also, yeah, scummy, but I can see it either way. Did anything useful happen between you and tajo last night?

[Xalxe]

ITT:

CooLDog accuses me of being scum for "defending" ender by calling him a jester. CooLDog also thinks ender is scum.

Ender is dead and flipped TOWN.


I can't even wrap my mind around it.


Oh my God, though, Xalxe's sad sheephop to the DeathNote wagon is so terrible that it makes me want to vote for him even though I started the DeathNote wagon myself.

But I still think DeathNote is so scum, sooo scummy, that I will stick with my vote on him until one of us is dead.

I will still continue to look for other scum, though, as he can't be alone, obviously.

I've been arguing DN since D1. reading do you speak it
I need to do some re-reads.

~quote fixed

[Xalxe]

Oops, yeah.

Fasion Llama: could you remove the last two lines of my previous post from inside the quote tags because I suck at life? Thanks

~quote fixed

[Xalxe]

Thank you Amrun, and I apologize for the insult; it was unnecessary.

[Xalxe]

If only we had a chart of claims....

(CooLDoG BTW)

[Xalxe]

Bah! Go Scum!