Because I'm voting DBG, and she's an easy target. Riiiiiiiiightchesskid3 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Diddin
People who go like "you said he's probably town but you want him dead LOL CONTRADICTION" are usually scum trying for easy targets.
there were other scummy comments you made too but I'm really lazy.
die plz?
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Oh hey look, sarcasm. That's original!diddin wrote:
Because I'm voting DBG, and she's an easy target. Riiiiiiiiightchesskid3 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Diddin
People who go like "you said he's probably town but you want him dead LOL CONTRADICTION" are usually scum trying for easy targets.
there were other scummy comments you made too but I'm really lazy.
die plz?
...The argument "you said they were town. Then you said you want them dead, therefore you are scum" is an argument i've seen a bunch of times before
It's a scum argument.Papa Zito - "Your signature has been blanked...we remove signatures at a users request if said signature references them, or if it quotes from a thread in the Speakeasy, which is not allowed without permission of the poster"-
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Please explain to me how it's not a scumtell then.chesskid3 wrote:
Oh hey look, sarcasm. That's original!diddin wrote:
Because I'm voting DBG, and she's an easy target. Riiiiiiiiightchesskid3 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Diddin
People who go like "you said he's probably town but you want him dead LOL CONTRADICTION" are usually scum trying for easy targets.
there were other scummy comments you made too but I'm really lazy.
die plz?
...The argument "you said they were town. Then you said you want them dead, therefore you are scum" is an argument i've seen a bunch of times before
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^Scummy post.Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Hold Hannah this game moves quickly and I had to ade through a lot of crazies and bs
I agree GreyIce is acting crazy. I also agree that the governor role isn't that big of a deal. Mod confirmed they can't themselves so really, though it could be super useful, I don't see it as partically that hurtfulKast wrote:GreyIce is overreacting a lot.
I was gonna disagree with MoI about VIs, then I read #84 & it's exactly what I was gonna say. Let's lynch scummy (regardless of VI status). However, deviation from expected behavior will likely influence whether something done by a specific player is actually scummy or not.
I don't see what the big deal about D1 governor. If the governor screws with the town preferred lynch, we get info & he has to justify himself. But that's prolly not going to happen.
I agree with this statement also. There's no pressure on many people, but I have seen a lot of claims, be it joke or not thrown around already and there's no need for it.MagnaofIllusion wrote:You know what would be great? If we could stop the soft-claiming going on ...
I understand in Cow's case given his PR why he more or less had to but others of you don't have any reason to be giving up your charater.
That was exactly my reaction lol *high fives*Shadow1psc wrote:viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16004
FWIW I've never been scum here (I was hoping to get it this game and was excited when my role came up Lannister... then went 'awwww').
I'm down to see where this goes. I liked your posts so far.Benmage wrote:
Yeah and if I'm town, why haven't you raised me?MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hey DGB - if Locke is certified scum why is your vote still on LynchMePls? Just curious.
MoI your town. Do me a favor and raise me. LETS start this wagn
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Also what the hell are VIs?
I voted for Song before this post, but I like it alot after this post.
Acting "crazy" is an ambiguous and scummy word.
Too agreeable and nice too. The part where she is agreeing with MoI is scum chatting with each other.
lol *hi Five* looks like fake enthusiasum.
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Because dead weight/misslynch bait sucks? Even if you've got a 100% townread on someone, if most of the rest of the game doesn't, it's going to be a huge distraction until said person dies. Never going to get nked, so the choices are vigged (good) or mislynched (bad).
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Raise: Magua
*points at Magua*
*taps finger against head*
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diddin wrote:If you're as confident that GreyICE is town as it seems you are, why are you still raising Twilight Sparkle?
*points at Magua* *raises hand* *points at GreyICE*
*shakes head*
*points at Magua* *taps finger on side of head* *points at GreyICE* *gets on all fours and shakes out hair*
*shakes head*GreyICE wrote: The concept that we raise someone who isn't asking for it remains a scum concept.
*holds hand out* *rapidly brings hand towards self multiple times*jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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Okay, I've read about half of the thread, and can't go any further tonight. I'll catch up on the rest tomorrow, but for now I have some of my thoughts from the first five pages for you.
GreyICE looks town so far. That said, I'm not in favor of him being raised as the Hand of the King. His campaign promise of not using the governor power is not what I want, and what he said about yelling but not using his power even if an obvtown player was being lynched does not sit right with me. What I would want from the Hand of the King is to be someone with a good head for town reads, and not afraid to use the power to help the town. I don't see why we should reject this power out of fear of what might happen, especially after the clarification that the power can not be used on yourself.
Of course I think I would be a good candidate to be raised, and, well, who doesn't. I will defend my town reads, and I will not ask permission or apologize for it. I know how difficult it is to convince even a few people, let alone the entire town that they are wrong in trying to lynch someone, and having a governor power for such an occasion could help the town a lot. I'm not one to self-vote though, and I'll be thinking about who else I would want having this power.
I'm surprised to see Bunnylover said he did not want to be raised. I wonder why, and are there any others?
MoI is not impressing me so far. His statistics of who self-raised did not look significant, bringing it up this early was really not worth it, and devoting wall posts to arguing about it did not serve any useful purpose I could recognize. When MoI said the data was not usable in this game in #122, I had to wonder what was the use of arguing about something that pointless. I liked the end of that post though, the part about the Hand of God being under extra scrutiny. Even less reason to fear it falling into scum hands. I also completely agree with giving no regard for village idiocy when lynching people who appear scummy. I recently had a frustrating incident with scum Furcolow who no one believed to be scum due to his village idiocy, until the moment he killed everyone but me and I was endgamed.
Oh, and I see we have a post restricted player. I've never had a restriction myself, but I've been in several games with them. I'm going to have fun deciphering his posts.
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Feysel, if an obvtown player is being lynched... no, seriously.
If a player is obvtown, they're probably not being lynched. If a majority of the players think they're the lynch, why the hell would they be obvtown?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I have no idea. You tell me, those words came from your post:GreyICE #283 wrote:Feysel, if an obvtown player is being lynched... no, seriously.
If a player is obvtown, they're probably not being lynched. If a majority of the players think they're the lynch, why the hell would they be obvtown?
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So, you think that, phrasing it the way I did, I expect the vig to listen to me, rather than himself?diddin wrote:DGB OUTRIGHT STATED that she thinks GreyICE is town, yet still wants him vigged. Benmage doesn't necessarily believe all the VIs he wants to lynch are town, he's just saying they're hard to read as town or scum.
Answer yes or no.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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diddin, GreyICE, and at least one off of DGB’s list below is scum.
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As long as your A-game doesn’t involve faking a guilty on someone who ends up Lannister aligned I’m happy to hear this.Benmage wrote:Despite rolling town. I've been looking forward to this game way too much to not give it my A-game.
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I subscribe to the logic behind this statement and would further expand that if we are in a multi-scum environment and Shadow is Town there are likely multiple scum from multiple factions here.DGB wrote:One of these players is scum:
Hasdgfas, zoraster, Twilight Sparkle, Mikujin
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I note that in this response you snipped the important part of my questions. I’m not surpised since the questions you specifically avoided go right to the heart of why your attack is scumtastic. I’ve bolded the part which you continue to assert.GreyICE wrote:It's because she used something that wasfactually untrueto cast suspicion on someone. That's fucking bullshit, and it doesn't fly. Now here's a question for you: Why not let her defend herself? You earning white knight points somewhere? It's almost too bad that the answers are going to be buried inside a 4,000 word wall of long quotes interspersed with insipid one liners and pointless rambling so I really won't ever read them.
DGB’s claim is that Cow in a previous game FAKED a crippling PR, GAINED powers from it, and WAS scum.
Two of those three, as I understand it, are correct and indisputable. He was scum and did gain powers by following the optional PR. So you are asserting that it’s factually inaccurate because DGB used the word faked? Because Cow would have had to fake being required to only post two words to gain the powers.
I’ve read the thread. I’m trying to determine why you are so hot to attack her for Cow being on her list of scum. If Cow is faking a PR then it’s clearly scummy. That’s far more reasoning than what she’s provided about Locke or LMP. You don’t even blink an eye about them.GreyICE wrote:RTFT. Yeah, these were a total waste of my time. Thanks. Lets not do that again.
Also I'm highlighting for everyone else to see how your attack is incorrect. Add it to your repeated back-tracking in thread and repeated attempts to label yourself as Town by statement as opposed to action. The result - you earn a scum read.
I also know she is female. That’s why I said things like “She didn’t”. Oops I interchanged 1 pronoun. My bad. Your continued rhetoric (inferring I’m not reading and stating that posting as I do is scummy without support as to why) is just further logs for the bonfire I'm lighting under you.GreyICE wrote:Oh yeah, and DGB is a 'her.' I figured this out because I'm reading the thread, not abusing multitab and the quote button.
And this is a prime example of the type of ‘insipid one-liners’ you accuse me of making. Bravo, you’ve reached full hypocrisy in record time.
Funny, because this is just your excuse to extricate yourself from scrutiny. The ‘Take your ball and go home’ defense often comes up when I see scum under pressure that makes them uncomfortable. So they invent a reason not to respond. As you just did.GreyICE wrote:He can't have the common courtesy to summarize his thoughts in a way that is at least readable, I'm not gonna have the courtesy to read him
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This is scumtastic. Does having a Town read (baffling as his is on GreyICE) mean it is automatically stronger than his Town read on Twilight?diddin wrote:If you're as confident that GreyICE is town as it seems you are, why are you still raising Twilight Sparkle?
You know what triggers my scumdar? Blatant buddying up to me.diddin wrote:Quit bitching about MOI's posting style ICE. Just because you can't read/don't like his posting style doesn't mean he's going to change it. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Fred Garvin did it in Newbie 969
NoPoint did in in [REDACTED]
Fonz did it in Seinfeld Mafia (and I didn’t call him on it damn it)
Kapia did it in Gorrad’s Favorite Fiction Character Mafia (and it made no sense since she saw Fred Garvin do it in Newbie 969)
They all were scum.
Insert face-palm pic here …diddin wrote:You want a potential vig to kill someone you believe to be town over someone you believe to be scum? FoS
I know you know very well Vigs hitting VI players is important to Town in the long run. You played Clash.
Yet here you are throwing dirt on your previously held strongest Town read.
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yes. You're well known on this site and your opinion is very influential to people.DrippingGoofball wrote:
So, you think that, phrasing it the way I did, I expect the vig to listen to me, rather than himself?diddin wrote:DGB OUTRIGHT STATED that she thinks GreyICE is town, yet still wants him vigged. Benmage doesn't necessarily believe all the VIs he wants to lynch are town, he's just saying they're hard to read as town or scum.
Answer yes or no.
@Magna: My point is that most players considered VI are wanted to be vigged because it's hard to tell whether they're town or scum. Vigbait players can usually very conceivably flip town or scum, but DGB outright states she thinks ICE is town. Plus I'd HARDLY classify GreyICE as a VI. He's annoying, yes, but he's no VI.
Also Magua never said he thought Sparkle was town. He just said he thought their reads would be similar, and as such, Sparkle would use the governor ability in a way Magua likes.ShowTown 8/4
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Yeah. Or you were posting in it on Thursday, when it opened. Which was during the work week. Today is Saturday. So you forgot about it for... Friday.Mikujin wrote:Bwuh, I have been prodded. Apologies, I apparently didn't have this bookmarked and totally forgot about it over the work week. Guess I've got some catching up to do when I get home from work.
Is someone being overly apologetic to the town to divert suspicion? Yes. Yes they are. Not posting in a game for a day is hardly a scum tell. Being guilty about it and posting this garbage apology when the game opened Thursday? Is.
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But GreyICE is on my town list. You're expecting that a vig will interpret the mixed message of "vig GreyICE-town because he's irritating" as "vig GreyICE?"diddin wrote:
yes. You're well known on this site and your opinion is very influential to people.DrippingGoofball wrote:
So, you think that, phrasing it the way I did, I expect the vig to listen to me, rather than himself?diddin wrote:DGB OUTRIGHT STATED that she thinks GreyICE is town, yet still wants him vigged. Benmage doesn't necessarily believe all the VIs he wants to lynch are town, he's just saying they're hard to read as town or scum.
Answer yes or no.
See, I would think the vig, or anyone, would think "haha, yes, he's irritating." And vig someone else of their choosing.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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SHOW ME where I said GreyICE is a VI.diddin wrote:Plus I'd HARDLY classify GreyICE as a VI. He's annoying, yes, but he's no VI.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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What is the purpose of even saying that if you don't want people to agree with you? I also fail to see how VIG THIS PERSON is a mixed message. At all.DrippingGoofball wrote:
But GreyICE is on my town list. You're expecting that a vig will interpret the mixed message of "vig GreyICE-town because he's irritating" as "vig GreyICE?"diddin wrote:
yes. You're well known on this site and your opinion is very influential to people.DrippingGoofball wrote:
So, you think that, phrasing it the way I did, I expect the vig to listen to me, rather than himself?diddin wrote:DGB OUTRIGHT STATED that she thinks GreyICE is town, yet still wants him vigged. Benmage doesn't necessarily believe all the VIs he wants to lynch are town, he's just saying they're hard to read as town or scum.
Answer yes or no.
See, I would think the vig, or anyone, would think "haha, yes, he's irritating." And vig someone else of their choosing.
You never did. I was making a comparison between what you said and Benmage's push to lynch all VI's.DrippingGoofball wrote:
SHOW ME where I said GreyICE is a VI.diddin wrote:Plus I'd HARDLY classify GreyICE as a VI. He's annoying, yes, but he's no VI.ShowTown 8/4
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Our hydra hasn't been at full strength for the last few days. These are mostly my (hito) personal thoughts, with some input from Mina via AIM. I point this out because ideally, we'llnormallybe expressing our consensus reads, no matter the poster, but in this case this is heavily me-biased. Sorry if Sotty ends up thinking differently. I know it's annoying to have skitzo hydras; the alternative is no hydra.
The strongest read from us is GreyICE-town. While I'm not happy with the needless vitriol he's spewing in the thread (I have no objection to "Sparky" myself, but in general the trolling and nicknames aren't winning you any favors) and his DGB LAL case is sketchy at best, his hard-to-fake passion and high engagement with the game all scream town, town, town.
As for MoI, the juries still out read-wise, but one thing I'd like to address immediately. GreyICE mentioned that he was only skimming your grievous walls. You responded with this:
That condescending attitude helps no one. Yes, this is a game about reading, but that doesn't mean that it's equally easy, enjoyable, or useful to give us giant walls. If I were to write all of my posts in Pig Latin, it is obvious I could not take recourse in the "this is a written game" defense; but oftentimes slogging through a large wall is equally as annoying as deciphering Pig Latin. I wouldn't say it in the overly aggressive way GreyICE phrased it ("fuck you, I'm not reading that!"), but all the same, I think it's worth saying that you absolutelyI'll say it again - Reading isn't a hardship. Mafia is a WRITTEN game. If you don't want to read go find another hobby like Etch-a-Sketch or Lite Brite.dohave an obligation as town to try to make your thoughts as readable as possible, and concision is a very helpful tool to that end.
Benmage is looking fairly townish (we've all got some experience with him), though we'll be holding on to our raise vote. Chess (unfortunately) is likely town. Shadow is also picking up some town points (feels like a newer player wouldn't be so chatty with the weight of a scum role on their soul), which makes our vote fairly stale.
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As for who to put it on, the winner is ASOIAF for this:
You don't know what a VI means, so what exactly did you like about the posts of someone most just recommending we policy lynch them? Rav points this out in 209; I am similarly confused.ASOIAF re: Benmage wrote:
I'm down to see where this goes. I liked your posts so far.
RAISE BENMAGE
Also what the hell are VIs?
Vote: A Song of Ice and Fire
@Nexus:
I'm curious as to what these 'later posts' are.Nexus wrote:I almost voted Raivann for post #143 when I was re reading, but later posts changed my mind. Votes with no explanation, even in RVS (I'm not entirely convinced we were still in RVS) aren't helpful.
@Cow:
I've been doing some mulling on your restriction. I have a quick question - can you dance?
@Zdenik:
What are your reads on GreyICE and MoI?
Also, to the town at large: do we agree that popping governor immediately on a target no one wants lynched is the way to go?
This is quickly turning into a wall in it's own right! Most of our players exist in a state of catch-up right now; so I'll end this one for now. Hopefully we can grab Sotty soon and get all of the ponies riding as one~
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