Nachomamma8, Sathoris and EGL have been prodded.
Fuzzyman is being replaced
And I thought your cases could not get any worse after that Stephoscope vote. I stand corrected. This is the single stupidest reason to vote someone I have ever seen in my mafia career. Anyone else wondering, it should be clear that Furcolow indeed meant Artem and not Amrun. The pronoun "he", the description of him being "too town", the defense of ThAdmiral, the meta... all of that is Artem.Furcolow #677 wrote:Vote: Artem
He's too town to be town
YouFurcolow #679 wrote:I'm actually bulletproof, but if you mean town as in on the side of the townies, then yeah, I guess I am.
Let me get this straight: you're under the impression that claiming bulletproof would somehow confirm you as town, so you would be allowed to lead the town and pick lynch targets for us? Targets like Artem? Dream on.Furcolow #685 wrote:Well, it helps have someone for the town to help out through providing lynch targets.
Also, if the scum want to waste 2 nights killing Furcolow, that is very good for the town.
Actually, claiming bulletproof is one of the stupidest things you can do in this game. It does not automatically confirm you and enable you to lead the town. Also, claiming is not necessary for the role to work. If you did not claim, the scum might try to kill you and fail, and that would enable someone else to survive that night. If you do claim, scum will not even try to kill you, and they will successfully kill someone else. In short, if you claim bulletproof, the ability is wasted.Furcolow #688 wrote:I have seen that it is a smart claim day 1, as when it is incorporated it is generally good to lead the town, as scum won't be able to silence you after only one night. That's just personal preference.
I'd rather you go ahead and tell me now why it was a bad idea. The thing is, though, I can't be sure you're not scum! You could be purposefully misleading me on my quest of scumhunting.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, DavidParker.DavidParker wrote:This is a valid point. If PI had been quick lynched I wouldn't have been upset about it. A good lynch because of the way he played, and then more info from night actions.
He's survived now, so we may as well use our time to pursue other endeavors, but I'm always keen to re-push PI's wagon.
Same to you. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You felt that PoisonIvy needed more pressure but didn't want to "restart" the wagon or apply a vote yourself.smargaret wrote:BotS: Vote does not necessarily equal lynch. I would like there to be a certain amount of pressure on Ivy, and I thought at the point I voted for GW that the pressure on her was adequate for the situation. I saw how she reacted to the wagon. I'd like there to be a little more pressure on her at the moment, because I'm not sure whether her reaction was frustrated town or scum. However, GW has actually done things I see to be definitively scummy, so he gets my vote. Also, I was answering a question about how I felt about the Ivy wagon at that point in time - not pushing to restart the wagon. There's a difference, and implying that there isn't is misrep.
I'll repeat: Increasingly scummy means more than VI behavior. You are implicitly saying that Furcolow is exhibiting behavior which is more scum motivated.gonnano wrote:Really? Are you really arguing that I don't know what connotation I associate with the term "becoming increasingly scummy"? When I originally said it, I thought it was obvious that I didn't yet consider Furcolow scum (hence no vote), but that he was heading that way quickly. I found that wasn't the case when I saw that some people had interpreted it differently, but I really can't see why this is still an issue after I explained it once.
This. A thousand times this. PoisonIvy blatantly asked to be investigated and then defended the claim by saying she "no qualms about being investigated if someone deems me worthy of it," which doesn't even need to be said because that is what cops do. Cops investigate people they deem worthy of being investigated. It's a terrible explanation and an obvious "please investigate me because your result will be innocent."bvoigt wrote:This. I'd consider switching to gonnano, but my hunch is that PI is a godfather, so....
Scum godfathers should be lynched regardless of anything, replacement or otherwise.Artem wrote:3. Well, no, I still like PI's wagon. The problem is that PI gave up on playing and ideally I'd like to see a replacement before it's pushed further. (Basically, for the same sentiment other players mentioned: you can't judge the reactions with the player not playing.)
What do you think is up? Do you think three scum partners are trying to initiate this bandwagon or something? Please elaborate on the bolded comment because in the context of your entire post it makes no sense.InflatablePie wrote:Cue 3 votes in less than two hours after this post. Something's up.LynchMePls wrote:jmj wagon is a go people. Lots of people are all basically nodding in agreement, without actually voting.While jmj's being odd and I see the reasoning behind the wagon, it's a bit of a stretch IMO - I'll chalk it up to his playstyle. The wagon speed is too iffy for me and I don't like GW and smarg being on that wagon, either.
And yet you are voting none of these people.gonnano wrote:So far, I could see myself potentially voting PI, Jmj, or Thad (in order of preference) if the deadline was getting close.
Give me the summation of why you think jmj3000 is scum.DavidParker wrote:Personally I feel ThAd is town and those pushing his wagon are trying to save scum-jmj at this point. Just my gut.
Ya, I derailed a wagon that had stalled for like a week and a half. You're SOOO right...RedCoyote wrote:You're preaching to the choir. LMP doesn't want to admit to it, but he completely derailed what was a solid wagon on Ivy. Now all these people are voting ThAdmiral, and I don't know what they're not getting from him. I'm reading his responding posts, and I just don't sense anything particularly suspicious here. Maybe you don't go for the argument that she slipped up during the opening pages. You know, that's fine, that's a really setup-heavy argument. It's debatable. You can't really ignore the fact that Ivy was bragging about how she'd be "willing to be investigated" in an attempt to make herself sound townie. It just sounds off.mothrax 682 wrote:- Why the hell is PI/PI's Replacement still alive? Scumsliped on like page three... "I wouldn't mind being investigated" just reeks of a godfather or investi-immune scum bragging.
Unvote;vote: Amrun
Don't confuse Artem for Amrun, guys.
ThAd wagon is STILL awesome.ThAdmiral wrote:unvote
vote: amrum
To be honest this is much more for things PosionIvy said as Amrum's been pretty ok. I don't like voting someone for what their predecessor did as a general rule, but a scummy slotisa scummy slot after all.
If it's needless to say, then why the hell are you saying it?ThAdmiral wrote:Because I don't think your claim has helped us determine much at all. It seemed more you were just bored and wanted to shake things up more than anything else.
Needless to say I am against unnecessary claiming, but I don't want to get in to a discussion about the pros and cons of claiming - that is a mafia theory discussion and would perhaps be something best addressed after the game in the proper forum.
All three perhaps?Amrun wrote:One of the reasons I decided to do it was because ThAd jumped on my wagon -- OMGUS, self-preservation, or scumvote? You decide.
That's actually EXACTLY what I was thinking.LynchMePls wrote:All three perhaps?Amrun wrote:One of the reasons I decided to do it was because ThAd jumped on my wagon -- OMGUS, self-preservation, or scumvote? You decide.
This isn't even a defense. This is you stating why your ability matches your name claim. It doesn't state why your name claim or role is a town aligned one. It still makes more sense for it to be scum-aligned.Amrun wrote:Oh, I meant to add that even though silencing is a strange town ability, it makes perfect sense with the theme. He was a blacklister, after all. Silencing is what he did to people in real life.