Mini 1130 - A Fishbowl Invasion by Ninja Monkeys! - Over

[Twistedspoon]

/confirm

for great justice

[Twistedspoon]

hiya, Oso
Nice to meet the rest of you

[Twistedspoon]

Ninja Monkeys are eating fishbowl goldfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who thinks this stuff up?

they should get a medal

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: [winger]
mafia always seem to be around entrant 10
that and you need to confirm :/

[Twistedspoon]

good old RVS

[Twistedspoon]

keeping my vote on [winger] for now

[Twistedspoon]

I hope to god this was an RVS joke, because if you were actually serious

Of course it was an RVS joke

you didn't take me seriously did you

[Twistedspoon]

Unvote; Vote: [winger]

you probably already know this, and excuse me if you do, but just in case

a) Votes must be bolded

oh, and I'll re-read the Crazypianist argument again in a second.

[Twistedspoon]

@Sundy: your post is just silly.

Acussing Bub because of forgetting to bold? He even bolded after I reminded him, so no problem anyways.
And your suspicion of Parama is basically a counter-suspicion, so That makes no sense
And your DH suspicion reason is as about as redundant as the whole of North Wales

VOTE: Sundy
IGMEOU

anyways, I've taken my vote off of winger. He's said it's his first game on the site, and although it's silly to enter sans newbie game experience, we have to accept he's in this game now and that he's playing.
His playstyle seems more newb-town than newb-scum anyways.

Oh, and the CP wagon seems valid, but I'll be voting Sundy for now so as to not let him be eclipsed by any more CP antics

[Twistedspoon]

Granted I often draw a wagon on myself the first day,

Hey, so do usually. Nice to know I'm not the only cursed one :s
anyways, my reply:

Twistedspoon: How is my suspicion of Parama a counter-suspicion?

Parama: Might just be play-style

Because what you're saying is basically "I suspect Parama.

However

, It could just be his play style that makes me suspicious."

So you basically counter your own suspicion by saying that It could just be his play style, and that you have no real reason to be suspicious of him really.

As for the DH suspicion... Don't see what the problem is here.

Nor do I. Basically I said that it was as redundant a reason as the whole of North Wales. And

as a reason

, it is. Sure, It's fine to voice your gut feelings and apply pressure on a player though them, but when using a gut feeling as a reason to suspect, they often hold little water.

Hope that clears things up for you.
I still don't like your Bud suspicion due to him forgetting to bold. Interesting to see you've left that out. Maybe you could expand on how you thought Bub was 'sneaky' by forgetting to bold

anyways, [winger] is a newbie, and whether or not we approve of this, we have to take this into consideration when we judge him for his posts and actions. Thus I find a winger wagon premature at this stage (and this is coming from the player who set the [winger]] wagon going by applying the first vote on him)

[Twistedspoon]

@Oso: I was going to ask too, but It seemed to personal.
I guess I just assumed he was a general newbie because of this

Also, play a newbie game if you're a newbie. Seriously.

@Sundy: fair enough. If you find reason to suspect [winger] beyond his inexperience, then go for it. Personally, I don't but that's why the town needs such a mix of opinions and players to scumhunt to full efficiency.

[Twistedspoon]

Problem with TwistedSpoon: Newbie card is not a valid excuse. If you play the newbie card for every player who makes one newbie screw up, everyone is going to take that and run with it if their first game they draw scum.

Sure thing, but It's [winger] who this applies to.
I have no motivation to cover up for anyone here and all townies need to pull their weight to help us catch mafioso.

If a newbie doesn't then that's just survival of the fittest and tough to them. At least they won't become a LyLo burden.

I'm not covering up for winger in anyway, and won't for any player, but all I said was that there are more convincing mafioso at the moment and they take priority for me.

Seriously, there should be a minimum 1 NG requirement on-site.

QFT

[Twistedspoon]

Oddly enough despite his lack of common sense I feel *a bit* better about Sundy now

Care to say why?

[Twistedspoon]

this looks like L-2 on winger.
I'm not quite prepared to leave him to be hammered just yet, even though It would be so easy to hop off of the CP or Sundy wagon now that their passengers are jumping onto the winger wagon. However, If he flips scum, feel free to say 'I told you so'
He just seems to newb in playstyle to me. I could be wrong and he could have just made scumslips, but that's what it looks like to me.

Also, I don't like CP's posts on this page. At the very least he seems to be tunneling on winger. At the worst, he's exploting a wagon to blend in and get Winger lynched as a scapegoat for himself.

Vote:CP

CP defending himself to this extent looks like flailing to me, and he seems to be exploiting a wagon now that one on winger's rolling full steam ahead. He's overtaken Sundy in scuminess now, and I have complete confidence in my vote on him.

[Twistedspoon]

oh, I forgot. My opening sentence seems redundant because I forgot to mention that at least one mafioso will probably be on the [winger] wagon at this stage. Just my speculation.

[Twistedspoon]

NO

DON'T CLAIM

Never claim unless you're about to be hammered and cannot prevent your own lynch otherwise.
Claiming a PR makes you a prime target for scum, although it might be too late now anyway now that you've hinted at a PR.

[Twistedspoon]

told you guys he was probTown/newbtown

"looks like your scum is in another wagon"
to use an old meme

anyways, this is an awful start for the town, as our doctor is probably going to get NK'd now. It's quite like my newbie game where the doc claimed D1 as well as the cop and we basically lost all of our PRs due to roleblocks and NKs

Twisted - seems to just be having a dandy old time.

uh, thanks

[Twistedspoon]

Twisted is really damn quick to believe winger's claim. Why, twisted?

becuase I never believed him to be scum, just newbtown

[Twistedspoon]

*shrug*

Don't get me wrong, It's not that i didn't consider winger's case, Heck, I even started his wagon.

It's just that you guys all pressured him and now he claimed Doc.
Advantage mafia

But seriously, someone on the [winger] wagon had to be scum, and I'm betting CP

@AGar: It's true that the doc's chances of a successful protection are low. But still, it's nice to have the comfort of a possible doc around.

[Twistedspoon]

Uh contradiction much?

not really

It was the RVS stage when I voted Winger

[Twistedspoon]

But you claim to have "started" the winger wagon, implying your intent was to see a wagon get going on Winger.

true

That pretty much sum's up what I think of your comments like that above. You're giving off mixed signals like crazy.

:3
I'm sorry

This whole newb thing. I have a bit of a soft spot for newbs (and VIs), having been both, but winger is not a newb.

Fair enough, but what matters in this game is alignment and he certainly seems more newb than mafia to me.

[Twistedspoon]

I don't believe the claim myself. We'll most likely lose him tonight.

Oh hey, a scumslip!

unvote, vote: Akira

It's probably that I misunderstand, but can you explain why this is a scumslip?

I'm not defending him, but I just interpreted it as that he didn't believe the claim but thought the Mafia would kill him anyways in case the claim was true

[Twistedspoon]

TS buddying noted.

It's not buddying, I just seriously don't understand why It's a scumslip and want someone to explain it to me so I can learn

That's all
It seemed reasonable enough

[Twistedspoon]

If you can't figure out the correlation between "doesn't believe claim" and "thinks is a valuable night-kill selection", then you're in no position to be playing the newbie card for someone else. Just sayin'.

ouch

but fair enough.
I wasn't buddying tho' and will probs be voting Akira as soon as i figure out how his post was a 'scumslip.'

He could have just meant that he thought [wingers] claim was false, but thought he would be NK'd by the mafia in case they thought it could be true.
But hey, you guys probably know better than me, so go ahead.

I'll trust you guys on this one
VOTE: Akira

CP's going tomorrow if he flips town tho'

[Twistedspoon]

I still have an outstanding question to you TS...

go for it

[Twistedspoon]

you said it would be "so easy" as a reason to vote winger because everyone else is doing it, which doesn't seem like a good reason to me.

exactly, this is why I believe scum were on the winger wagon

[Twistedspoon]

So TS, you don't believe that what Akira said was a scum slip, yet you're willing to put him at L-2?

1) I don't see how his statement was a scumslip, however judging by how everyone else saw It as one, I can only assume I'm a bit dim not to see it. It probably is a scumslip, I'm just not sure why as no-one has cared to explain to me.
2) Furthermore my vote wasn't on that one 'scumslip.' Scumslip or not he was a suspicion of mine anyaways and deserves my vote

hope you understand me more now

[Twistedspoon]

2) He survives - Not confirmed scum but pretty close, at least for me.

isn't that what the mafia woud want you to think though?
You can see them purposely leaving winger alive because of this. WIFOM and such.

[Twistedspoon]

Vote Cecily

obvious scum is obvious

[Twistedspoon]

lol

so are we giving her a chance to claim or should the next poster hammer?

[Twistedspoon]

hammering is cool with me

if she's mafia do we win, or do we need to kill the traitor?

[Twistedspoon]

hammering is cool with me

if she's mafia do we win, or do we need to kill the traitor?

...shit, the traitor thing was confirmed?

Come on, you've gotta be kidding me.

what?
I just assumed it was.
I have no idea, that's why I'm asking

[Twistedspoon]

Umm, you have a good point. What if Cec is the traitor? )

either way we should hammer

[Twistedspoon]

I don't
that's why I was asking it as a question, not a statement

[Twistedspoon]

Ugh I suck. Good job experienced people

y u no hammer?

[Twistedspoon]

To the second part, crazy is the most glaring example but Twistedspoon could also qualify depending on your personal definition of "late".

I know why I don't like either of those players at the moment

lolwut

Oso's dragging me into this?

VOTE: Oso
for not voting Akira; known scum, parama's argument and dragging the only confirmed townie i know of in the game (me), into this

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

I wanted to discuss the possibility of the traitor since It had yet to be discussed.

Apart from Enigma's sample PM i know nothing of the traitor.

[Twistedspoon]

just realised i don't feel so comfortable with oso on l-1 anymore

Unvote

i'm probably going to get ripped to pieces for this, especially if he flips scum, but...

[Twistedspoon]

i'm probably going to get ripped to pieces for this, especially if he flips scum, but...

hallo buddy.

thought so.

but I don't feel safe with an Oso lynch.
My gut is appealing for an Agar one though.

[Twistedspoon]

If oso flips town then I'm going to be looking at Agar day 3

[Twistedspoon]

I don't know Oso won't flip scum. he might. I just unvoted because I didn't believe it was sensible having him at L-1 at this moment in time.

I have tried to prevent us repeating the mistake that got cecily lynched. And it looks like you're about to do it again.
Anyways, If i'm the mafia traitor why would I have lynched akira? I already had an excuse not to vote him, but I did anyways becasue I thought him to be scum.

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

could i not have bussed without voting?

[Twistedspoon]

Curse my Oso voting worries.

If Oso turns out to be scum I'll cry myself to sleep

[Twistedspoon]

Claiming Vanilla Townie

that's all, no fancy PR

[Twistedspoon]

lol, would you have hammered if I claimed PR?

but srsly, my unvote of Oso wasn't scum-motivated, although I don't know if he is scum.

And I am (was) VT.
Ah, well.

Win this one for me town.
You still have my support. You guys are still awesome
~Twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

all I've left to say is that if oso isn't town, then I've died for nothing.

Oso, you owe be big style next game

[Twistedspoon]

what?

I'm not lynched?

But Agar said he would hammer?
I'm so confused

[Twistedspoon]

and I just /in'd for another game too >_>

[Twistedspoon]

interesting tactic

make suspect believe he is lynched to get post-game thoughts and claim.

but lol, you had me believe i was well and truly out.

Well we have confirmed town at least.

So, if i'm confirmed town then why aren't you unvoting?

[Twistedspoon]

I would also consider Oso, Sundy, or Parama.

explain

[Twistedspoon]

Sundy has contributed very little.

And you've contributed even less than Sundy

people in glass houses...

:/

[Twistedspoon]

@RBT: actually, saying you've contributed little is a severe understatement

the nerve you have saying Sundy has contributed little

[Twistedspoon]

I am not up for a RBT lynch right now. The fact that she would say such things as "0/4" indicate town to me. Yes, I know it's WIFOM, but scum are never that cheeky when it comes to people who are voting for them.

I don't like this post. Even if you admit Wifom, that doesn't change the fact that the logic is wifom.

I might vote soon, gtg for now though

[Twistedspoon]

cool I can hammer

RBT seems a bit more VI than scum to me though :/

[Twistedspoon]

Interesting to see that everyone on the RBT wagon was also on the akira wagon.

This means that it's unlikely that scum will be on this wagon possibly (unless bussing occurred day 1)

I still see RBT as a VI for now, but might end up hammering because of the wagon evidence and lurking and poor defence. I would hate for scum to crawl out of this with just a VI label.

Claim now RBT or else I'll be hammering

[Twistedspoon]

cool I can hammer

RBT seems a bit more VI than scum to me though :/

Contradiction much? You're saying that you're willing to hammer, but you're distancing yourself from the actual lynch.

Question: How can you be willing to hammer somebody who you think is town?

I didn't say I wanted to hammer, it's just that I've never been in a position where I can hammer before

anyways, my last post explains why I may be willing to hammer now

[Twistedspoon]

Yeah, hammer away, please. Despite alignment, either way,

despite alignment?
I don't like that part

it's inevitable though

VOTE: RBT

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, but even if he's acting anti-town he can't be doing it on purpose if he's town :/

I don't know, but killing a townie seems like what the mafia would want us to do.

Anyways, I hammered, so no point arguing over RBT now =|

[Twistedspoon]

town just don't play like RBT did

that's just the simple fact

anyways, there's only so long I can wait and so much pressure for a hammer I can stand

[Twistedspoon]

And Parama called me the traitor at one point >_>

Willing to bet that it's someone that Parama was feuding with at some point during the game.

If it's wroth mentioning Parama voted Oso last day, and Oso probably would have been lynched if I didn't get nervous.

Anyways, why would the mafia let me, a confirmed townie live? I can't think why unless they saw me as helpful to them. Oso perhaps?

I'm looking at oso right now, but remember this could be just Mafia WIFOM :/

[Twistedspoon]

this is why I love being townie, when mafia mess up.

[Twistedspoon]

Yours because you used gambit to save a townie for cred that paid off.

I saved a townie fro cred?

Seriously, I still don't know even now If you're townie.

All I said was that the oso wagon was going at an alarming rate.
I unvoted and that distacted attention from you to me.

Then, I believed I was hammered since Agar said he had hammered. Thus I posted my after-game thoughts and became a confirmed townie.
There was no-way I knew this was going to happen, and certainly didn't save you to increase my 'Cred'

seriously >_>

[Twistedspoon]

talk more about your Bub suspicions

[Twistedspoon]

Bub may not be scum and that gets stronger, from my POV, the longer I remain un-NKed. I know my alignment and the longer both of us (Bub and I) are in the game, still breathing, the higher likelihood Bub is town.

WIFOM?

anyways, you still haven't said what abour Bub makes you suspicious other than that he thinks you're scum. Without explaining it just looks like omgus :/

[Twistedspoon]

On the one hand I'm not sure DH's reasons on sundy hold much water. Basing your two townie reads off of past games seems slightly weak to me. It's evidence which we can't challenge

On the other hand It's hard to accuse DH of anything since he started the akira wagon (although that being said it was Parama, the mafia traitor, who found the scumslip) :/

I'll have to look elsewhere for now =|

[Twistedspoon]

DH found the Akira scum-slip before Parama did, TS

even more reason why it's hard to accuse him then (although I'm sure it was Parama who found it, but DH voted earlier =|)

[Twistedspoon]

It is possible that he was recruited I guess, but something ([winger] maybe) interfered with it so Mafia thought he was town.

If that is true then [winger] is our hero

[Twistedspoon]

you're right actually. This just confused me

Oh hey, a scumslip!

unvote, vote: Akira

but yeah, you found the scumslip for what it's worth.

[Twistedspoon]

If Parama knew who scum were (which as traitor he should)

why do you think the traitor knows who the scum are? I had assumed that the traitor didn't know mafia and the mafia didn't know the traitor. Did anyone else think this?

I'd have imagined it too easy to be recruited if he knew who the scum were :/

[Twistedspoon]

So Parama's ISO should give us clues as to who the mafia is then?

Day 3 and things get interesting

[Twistedspoon]

if Parama knew who the mafia were then my ISO of him seems to show Bub as possibly being the mafia. Well that's my interpretaion.
He never has a bad thing to say about Bub, just good things. Maybe he wanted Bub to recruit him.

i don't have time to quote the ISO now, but I reccomend you guys take a look through it. Parama probably knew the scum, as the wiki says, so his posts should have clues to the mafia which we could pick up on

I'll read the argument against Bub again tommorow

G'Night
~Twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

We know winger didn't Jailkeep his killer, he's dead. He could have possibly jailed the mafia who was sent out to recruit but, until we get some evidence that Mafia have a blocking ability, it looks to me that [winger] jailed Mae.

wait..

that implies there are 3 mafioso (dead akira, winger's killer, recruiter).

How do you know this? and how do you know a mafioso cannot both kill and recruit?

[Twistedspoon]

you seem to understand mafia mechanics much better than myself, Oso.

igmeou

[Twistedspoon]

It strikes me as highly unlikely that we started with 3 scum + 1 traitor

This is what Oso is suggesting

[Twistedspoon]

We know winger didn't Jailkeep his killer, he's dead. He could have possibly jailed the mafia who was sent out to recruit but, until we get some evidence that Mafia have a blocking ability, it looks to me that [winger] jailed Mae.

seriously

how do you know there are 3 mafia + traitor?

killer + recruiter + dead akira

I'm seeing this as a scumslip until I get a second opinion.

VOTE: Oso

[Twistedspoon]

=|

anyone read the parama iso?
he buddies to bub often :/

[Twistedspoon]

question: why wasn't I NK'd If i was a confirmed townie like AGar said?
Mafia would have to have overlooked that or disliked Parama :/

[Twistedspoon]

Requesting Bub prod

[Twistedspoon]

Sundy would be an easy lynch for today. Too easy.
I have a bad gut feeling that he'll flip VT, or worse :/

and then scum will probably get it right this time and kill the confirmed townie.
we'd be no better off and will lose our good lead

I seriously think that sundy is town guys. I might post quotes later if needed.

but for now, let's go somewhere I feel safer

VOTE: CP

[Twistedspoon]

If DH was scum methinks he would have Nk'd me :/

Parama wasn't a threat to him.

Bub and CP weren't around when I became confirmed town, and therefore I think they overlooked that part and forgot I was confirmed town.

That's why I think at least one of them is scum and I'm voting CP today.

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, well anyone who doesn't have a town read on me would be very suspicious.

Having a town read on me

now

is what I'd expect scum to do to blend into the crowd, especially if they didn't see me as town yesterday, when I believed I was dead.

[Twistedspoon]

alright then cp

let me ask you who you want to be lynched today

[Twistedspoon]

My gut is telling me Sundy. I want to look over the cases and Iso as well before I vote. If there are two, then I'll wait to Day 5 to share my opinions on who I think the second is. Why are you voting me?

I had a feeling you'd pick sundy. :/

However most of the arguments don't transgress gut and that would be a bad thing to lynch him solely on.
The main quote that makes me believe Sundy is town is:

@TS: Stop saying you're town! I would believe you more if you didn't say it so often.

this shows to me that sundy doesn't seem to know who is and isn't town as all townies do. If sundy was mafia he'd not be in a position where he needed to talk about his town reads in a small-side argument without being provoked.

But that's just my interpretation. =/

anyways, why am i voting you? good question

I've already said why I think sundy is town. DH seems town because he started the akira wagon (although Agar believes he was bussing).

AGar seems town because he was first to point out I was confirmed townie. Scum would never do that as it makes a player unlynchable.

Bub, CP and Oso are my grey areas.

[Twistedspoon]

and what will your conclusion be of who is scum if Sundy flips town and I get Nk'd tonight Oso?

[Twistedspoon]

you're not answering my question.

It's highly likely Sundy would flip town if you're scum, and we don't know that you're not scum. You were almost lynched yesterday need I remind you

so I ask again

who would you next suspect

IF

sundy flipped town tommorow

[Twistedspoon]

Please read

I seriously don't think a sundy lynch would help us.

It saddens me that my top 2 town reads are on this wagon.


anyaways, if in the disastrous event that sundy gets lynched, Oso should become a prime lynch candidate.

I'd be much happier with an Oso lynch than a sundy one. Sundy seems strongly town to me, and Oso should have been lynched yesterday :/
He's tried to hard to distance himself from scum yet speculate too

VOTE: Oso

The second we get a town flip on either you or me, the other becomes almost unlynchable.

It's obvious that he was going to NK me to get unlynchable status on him.

This had best be done now should I be killed in the nightphase (which is very likely provided Sundy or Oso do not claim PR)
as for CP i have no-idea where he fits into this. He's certainly a wildcard to me

I want a claim or hammer. (Oso of course)

[Twistedspoon]

As a modification of that post, you can put town reads everyone but Sundy. One scum left means everybody else has to be town, even you Bub.

I've already said that I have a town read on sundy and my reasons for it

anyways, I thought you were the one to suggest 3 original mafioso?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not going to soften this. The reason you were left alive, even as a confirmed townie... (waffling)

I really don't see the point of this. Stop talking about me (as in not you)
I have no relevance to your case

How I've played and how scum see may have little bearing on the role PM you received

[Twistedspoon]

hflkjldrjdgojji *rage*

I'm dead >_>

anyways, thanks to enigma; best flavour ever =D
I loved Oso's death scene. Silly Oso

oh, and you townies better win this for me. Good luck guys

[Twistedspoon]

I have so many jokes I wanna say.........<head asplodes>

Good game, folks.

this

they must be shared


anyways, you guys should have noticed what I said I saw in the parama ISO.
Everytime parama mentioned bub...

[Twistedspoon]

Thanks, Engima for the game. Very good flavor and entertaining to read. And thanks to all the players. It may be a town loss but the game was fun in any case.

this

Enigma was an awesome mod

and I see your navel ideas were included too oso

anyaways, this was a great cast of players and I look forwards to our future games

Club goldfish; that's us

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and the dead QT is a hoot
Especially Oso

I recommend it

[Twistedspoon]

Naw, I would have still killed N1

especially winger cause he claimed doc